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Old 04-11-2021, 08:29 PM   #26
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I am glad you're making this thread. I am going to use it when the time comes that I acquire my R34-GTR. Must be a great feeling! I'm excited for you haha.
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Old 04-11-2021, 10:17 PM   #27
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Glad people like the journal. You better get one now, otherwise there won't be any. They're well beyond affordable for 90% of people now.

But I'm torn on the situation though. I had this conversation with someone about this just yesterday. On one hand it's sad that most people who look up to these cars and dream about them won't be able to afford one or find a good one for sale, but on the other hand, I WANT these cars to be exclusive. Not everyone SHOULD have one. This keeps these cars out of the hands of the average idiot who would trash these and beat on 'em. There's a reason why many people in Japan are making efforts to keep these cars in Japan. They don't want foreigners having these, especially Americans. One could make the argument that Nissan itself is participating in this by creating the Heritage Program. Yes I sound arrogant, however I'd rather see a GT-R get taken care of. I'm definitely gonna drive mine, but I'm also gonna pamper it.

This isn't an STi, it's a GT-R. Yeah that's crass of me to say but I also had an STi, and after working very hard to get one. There's many more STis in the world and there's also no shortage of STi owners I've come across that have been complete knobheads and treated their cars as throwaways and would. Just. Trash. Them. It's a more than a little disheartening to see someone treat a car that I'd worked so hard to get like dogshyte. I guess it's just a mantra or a state of mind to take care of something or treat your possessions with respect by taking care of them, idk. Keeping GT-Rs out of reach for these people is something I support.

Call me an elitist, I don't care.

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Old 04-12-2021, 12:09 AM   #28
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Glad people like the journal. You better get one now, otherwise there won't be any. They're well beyond affordable for 90% of people now.

But I'm torn on the situation though. I had this conversation with someone about this just yesterday. On one hand it's sad that most people who look up to these cars and dream about them won't be able to afford one or find a good one for sale, but on the other hand, I WANT these cars to be exclusive. Not everyone SHOULD have one. This keeps these cars out of the hands of the average idiot who would trash these and beat on 'em. There's a reason why many people in Japan are making efforts to keep these cars in Japan. They don't want foreigners having these, especially Americans. One could make the argument that Nissan itself is participating in this by creating the Heritage Program. Yes I sound arrogant, however I'd rather see a GT-R get taken care of. I'm definitely gonna drive mine, but I'm also gonna pamper it.

This isn't an STi, it's a GT-R. Yeah that's crass of me to say but I also had an STi, and after working very hard to get one. There's many more STis in the world and there's also no shortage of STi owners I've come across that have been complete knobheads and treated their cars as throwaways and would. Just. Trash. Them. It's a more than a little disheartening to see someone treat a car that I'd worked so hard to get like dogshyte. I guess it's just a mantra or a state of mind to take care of something or treat your possessions with respect by taking care of them, idk. Keeping GT-Rs out of reach for these people is something I support.

Call me an elitist, I don't care.
I can see the prices going up as the import date approaches. I think most of that is unattainable finally becoming attainable. There are also people who are seeing nothing but dollar signs and have no interest in the car itself. But, the unknown is going to be the private market once people start selling them stateside. Will the allure sustain itself? Is it finally being stateside going to affect its resale value? You never know. It might, It might not. We saw the Supra's price shoot up and is still holding. Time will tell.

Personally, I want an R34 GTR because it has always ticked the boxes of a car I would enjoy driving. It's not the fastest car, best performing car, or prettiest car in the world. It's not even hard to argue, for me at least, that it's not worth 100k+ (and++ even+++ haha) when you simply look at what vehicles you can get for that kind of money. However, it's an R34 GTR, and that has a unique value to me. But sometimes, meeting your hero can be disheartening (I don't think it will be for me ).

Another big concern is people and groups buying up OEM parts to stockpile them for when the car makes it stateside. Allowing them to inflate the cost of parts because they own the lot. This trend has started to pick up and sucks.

As far as intentionally keeping an object out of the reach of someone who wants it because the collective group votes you as not worthy??? Ahh, I don't know if I cant stand by that mantra. If someone's dream is to track an R34 GTR hard and put thousands of miles a year on it, they should be able to do that without resistance. The fastest way to kill a car and its "spirit" is to lock it away in a garage. You have to have both kinds of owners in the realm of any special vehicle. But I get where you're coming from, and preservation should be a very big concern. I need it to be haha.

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Old 04-12-2021, 01:00 AM   #29
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I can see the prices going up as the import date approaches. I think most of that is unattainable finally becoming attainable. There are also people who are seeing nothing but dollar signs and have no interest in the car itself. But, the unknown is going to be the private market once people start selling them stateside. Will the allure sustain itself? Is it finally being stateside going to affect its resale value? You never know. It might, It might not. We saw the Supra's price shoot up and is still holding. Time will tell.

Personally, I want an R34 GTR because it has always ticked the boxes of a car I would enjoy driving. It's not the fastest car, best performing car, or prettiest car in the world. It's not even hard to argue, for me at least, that it's not worth 80k to 100k+ when you simply look at what vehicles you can get for that kind of money. However, it's an R34 GTR, and that has a unique value to me. But sometimes, meeting your hero can be disheartening (I don't think it will be for me ).

Another big concern is people and groups buying up OEM parts to stockpile them for when the car makes it stateside. Allowing them to inflate the cost of parts because they own the lot. This trend has started to pick up and sucks.

As far as intentionally keeping an object out of the reach of someone who wants it because the collective group votes you as not worthy??? Ahh, I don't know if I cant stand by that mantra. If someone's dream is to track an R34 GTR hard and put thousands of miles a year on it, they should be able to do that without resistance. The fastest way to kill a car and its "spirit" is to lock it away in a garage. You have to have both kinds of owners in the realm of any special vehicle. But I get where you're coming from, and preservation should be a very big concern. I need it to be haha.
I mean hey, you bring up some valid points. I can assure you that I'm keeping the car and I for sure didn't buy it to speculate on and then soullessly flip for 4x the price. I will drive mine and enjoy it, albeit in nice weather only. And I intend to get it out to a few trackdays a year, but I will take the utmost care of it too. I agree on reasons for wanting one, however I also have other influences that drew me to it. And no, not the Fast and Furious franchise; those movies suck hard.

Like I said though, Nissan could also be partly to blame with the parts being relegated to the Heritage Program. You could argue that for sure. Yes the people buying up parts to induce scarcity and therefore exorbitant prices make it worse. Ask me how I know....

As for intentionally keeping cars out of the hands of average people....that wasn't really what I was saying. I don't really think anyone is intentionally doing that....except for maybe Japanese owners or dealers who don't want to sell to foreigners, but that's their choice and I don't blame them. It's part of their country's history. But...there are plenty of companies who will, like TopRank or Garage Defend. Just imagine a scenario where some other countries who, for instance, want to come in and start swiping up all the Shelbys and Yenkos....the boomers and 'Murica folks would have a tizwiz and start hiding their cars away. Pandemonium overnight in the car world, I say. And no...that's not hyperbole; Americans overreact and panic over dumb shyte all the time.

I have one now and I'm certainly lucky, but I didn't get here without basically losing everything I held important up to this point....that's a story for another time and place. That said I'm not saying people SHOULD intentionally keep these out of the common person's hands, but that I support the decision if that's what keeps these preserved. These cars are special for a reason, and that's the cause for which supply and demand is the effect. If these get too expensive and you really want it? Just work harder then.

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Old 04-12-2021, 02:57 AM   #30
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I mean hey, you bring up some valid points. I can assure you that I'm keeping the car and I for sure didn't buy it to speculate on and then soullessly flip for 4x the price. I will drive mine and enjoy it, albeit in nice weather only. And I intend to get it out to a few trackdays a year, but I will take the utmost care of it too. I agree on reasons for wanting one, however I also have other influences that drew me to it. And no, not the Fast and Furious franchise; those movies suck hard.

Like I said though, Nissan could also be partly to blame with the parts being relegated to the Heritage Program. You could argue that for sure. Yes the people buying up parts to induce scarcity and therefore exorbitant prices make it worse. Ask me how I know....

As for intentionally keeping cars out of the hands of average people....that wasn't really what I was saying. I don't really think anyone is intentionally doing that....except for maybe Japanese owners or dealers who don't want to sell to foreigners, but that's their choice and I don't blame them. It's part of their country's history. But...there are plenty of companies who will, like TopRank or Garage Defend. Just imagine a scenario where some other countries who, for instance, want to come in and start swiping up all the Shelbys and Yenkos....the boomers and 'Murica folks would have a tizwiz and would start hiding their cars away. Pandemonium overnight in the car world, I say. And no...that's not hyperbole; Americans overreact and panic over dumb shyte all the time.

I have one now and I'm certainly lucky, but I didn't get here without basically losing everything I held important up to this point....that's a story for another time and place. That said I'm not saying people SHOULD intentionally keep these out of the common person's hands, but that I support the decision if that's what keeps these preserved. These cars are special for a reason, and that's the cause for which supply and demand is the effect. If these get too expensive and you really want it? Just work harder then.
Yup, Can't argue with any of that for sure.
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Old 04-12-2021, 10:52 AM   #31
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Totally rad. Will be following!

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Old 04-13-2021, 01:40 PM   #32
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Blah. Double post
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Old 04-13-2021, 01:42 PM   #33
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Yup, Can't argue with any of that for sure.
Hey, it just so happens that I'm right and everyone else is always wrong...what a coincidence. No, totally kidding of course. But really, I hope I don't come across as arguing. I merely view this as good discussion, and I enjoy talking about things I'm passionate about. I mean, duh, who doesn't right?

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Thanks Doppio!
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That HKS exhaust alone is sweet. Unfortunately, I am not the biggest version of the one made for our cars... VA STI's in particular.

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Yeah I'm happy to have it, was almost going to resell to get a Mine's one but I reconsidered as the Mine's is a bit too restrictive. I don't like melonshooter exhausts so unfortunately there's not a lot of readily available options for the R34 in that regard.

For sure it's a bit weird looking on the VAs.
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Yeah I'm happy to have it, was almost going to resell to get a Mine's one but I reconsidered as the Mine's is a bit too restrictive. I don't like melonshooter exhausts so unfortunately there's not a lot of readily available options for the R34 in that regard.

For sure it's a bit weird looking on the VAs.



Is it really? Then again I am not to familiar with GTR parts. From what I've "heard" though mines is the go-to in regards to the skyline platform.


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Yeah, so I've read. The piping diameter isn't as large as others.

Mine's is a legendary shop for a reason, sure.
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Crazy stuff
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What a time to be alive.
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A few more items have showed up recently, brand new kouki headlights. Trying to prepare before these get discontinued. Basically that's the name of the game for anyone outside Japan now:


I eluded to a Nismo plenum arriving a few posts back. Well, here she is:






Next up is a Nismo oil cooler kit. Will probably be buying that next month. Half of the R35 brakes paid for, but I'll wait to post pics 'til I get the whole shebang.

'til later.
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