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Old 04-05-2022, 05:10 PM   #6176
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Prime Motoring is in New Jersey, right, or did they take it down to their remote dyno in Laredo, Texas?
Ah, good to know, Laredo is already pretty hot right now, wow...
For sure, 93 AKI offers added protection though.
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Old 04-05-2022, 05:16 PM   #6177
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Great stuff from Prime Motoring. Good to see how under stressed this engine is. That is some impressive WHP for so little boost. I see a ton of people posting their new '22 models all over the internet with very positive feedback.
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Old 04-05-2022, 05:19 PM   #6178
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Ah, good to know, Laredo is already pretty hot right now, wow...
For sure, 93 AKI offers added protection though.
I have no idea, their FB, and website don't have any locations, but their phone number is a NJ number, temps in the 201 area code today are in the 60s.

I have no frame of reference whether they have access to 91 or 93 octane, but Laredo is one of the only places in USA that had temps close to 110 (and probably not, in reality).
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Old 04-05-2022, 06:28 PM   #6179
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Not unless you talk volume (which is more what I was inferring). The three highest grossing vehicles in the world are trucks (GM, Ford, Ram).
For example the F150 by itself generates more revenue than all of Porsche combined globally.

While I am sure the WRX is more profitable than a regular Impreza it is likely not nearly as high on the priority list for Subaru than their big sellers (Ascend, Forester, etc)
That F150 comparison requires massive bulk sales, something Subaru can't do. If they want to make more money per model, they have to either run an efficient production like they do now, or add a ton of custom options for customers to order to boost per unit profits. They can't sell 1,000,000 Foresters in order to make more money.
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I went to Thunderhill back in July last year during what may have been one of the hottest days of last year; 115F (like a dumbass).
But, I had at least 6 gallons of 100 unleaded gas mixed in with the 91 just in case; water temps stayed rock solid at 194F and oil didn't go past 270F...
But, that's a bit on the extreme side of things though.
Jeez, 270F oil temp is bad news...
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Old 04-05-2022, 07:29 PM   #6180
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[...]Jeez, 270F oil temp is bad news...
Not ideal but I wasn't too worried about it because it only creeped up there after 2pm when on track temps reached 115F.
I had Redline 10W40 in the crankcase; I should have done an oil analysis to confirm whether or not it really held up to the beating though.
There was a GT350 on track (maybe an R? Not sure...) and the driver saw 280F+. Toasty .

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Old 04-05-2022, 08:06 PM   #6181
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I went to Thunderhill back in July last year during what may have been one of the hottest days of last year; 115F (like a dumbass).
But, I had at least 6 gallons of 100 unleaded gas mixed in with the 91 just in case; water temps stayed rock solid at 194F and oil didn't go past 270F...
But, that's a bit on the extreme side of things though.
I havenít tracked my car, but driving up to Phoenix and driving around in the summer the car falls on its face. only thing that would keep knock in check was 3 gallons of E85 on top of 91.

Be interesting to see how the 2022 handles our heat.
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Old 04-05-2022, 08:09 PM   #6182
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Prime Motoring is in New Jersey, right, or did they take it down to their remote dyno in Laredo, Texas?
Not sure, I thought the shop that was pushing the FA24 was in Jersey.

I just saw the post and figured the folks who have the 2022 or are waiting on it would find it interesting.

As far as heat, Iím in southern Arizona itís normal to be in triple digits for a few weeks straights.
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Old 04-05-2022, 10:36 PM   #6183
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That F150 comparison requires massive bulk sales, something Subaru can't do. If they want to make more money per model, they have to either run an efficient production like they do now, or add a ton of custom options for customers to order to boost per unit profits. They can't sell 1,000,000 Foresters in order to make more .
I donít really understand where you are going with this.. Letís just look at the real data. Legacy, WRX/STI, BRZ, and Impreza combined made up less than 15% of all of Subarus sales in the US last year. Combined the BRZ, WRX and STI made up less than 5% of all sales. This is why Subaru just killed off the STI without batting an eye. Because itís just not a priority for them. The BRZ and WRX could go away tomorrow and Subaru would just simply allocate their production to something with higher revenue and profit margins.
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Old 04-06-2022, 09:01 AM   #6184
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Not sure, I thought the shop that was pushing the FA24 was in Jersey.

I just saw the post and figured the folks who have the 2022 or are waiting on it would find it interesting.

As far as heat, I'm in southern Arizona it's normal to be in triple digits for a few weeks straights.
I think your post about 110 degrees was a bit confusing. I understood it to mean that they were doing the dyno pull after heat soaking at a stop light in 110 degree outside temps.

now I follow where you're at.

and yeah, I would find it interesting if they could wrench those consistent numbers on a heat soaked 110 degree day, but it looks like they were doing their pulls when the temps were in the 60s.

it does stand to reason it would handle heat soak better, the turbo is boosting only 12psi, which means the heat generated from that process is a lot lower, add to it that the IC is much larger, I have no idea, but if I were to guess I'd say it has twice as much surface area to transfer heat, plus being larger in general means it'll take more energy for it to get heat soaked.

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Old 04-06-2022, 11:17 AM   #6185
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I donít really understand where you are going with this.. Letís just look at the real data. Legacy, WRX/STI, BRZ, and Impreza combined made up less than 15% of all of Subarus sales in the US last year. Combined the BRZ, WRX and STI made up less than 5% of all sales. This is why Subaru just killed off the STI without batting an eye. Because itís just not a priority for them. The BRZ and WRX could go away tomorrow and Subaru would just simply allocate their production to something with higher revenue and profit margins.
Where I'm going with this is that those lower production "enthusiast" models could be significantly more profitable without increasing sales numbers or production capacity. Sell them with far more customization and options like Porsche does.
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Old 04-06-2022, 12:16 PM   #6186
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Just saw a post on Facebook from prime motorsports..a 2022 with a turboback and some gas mixtures and this things already dynoying 303whp/295wtq with low boost and no tuning. Holy sheet. First ever underrated Japanese car? Lol
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Old 04-06-2022, 12:22 PM   #6187
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Just saw a post on Facebook from prime motorsports..a 2022 with a turboback and some gas mixtures and this things already dynoying 303whp/295wtq with low boost and no tuning. Holy sheet. First ever underrated Japanese car? Lol

Just saw that! Thatís so awesome!
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Old 04-06-2022, 01:19 PM   #6188
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The 303whp was on E30, but even without the added ethanol it got 289whp/287wtq with just the turboback. They had also previously dynoed the same car at 245-256whp stock.
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The 303whp was on E30, but even without the added ethanol it got 289whp/287wtq with just the turboback. They had also previously dynoed the same car at 245-256whp stock.

Iíd add ~5whp for the air filter modification as well. My BRZ had much better throttle response once I installed a K&N one.
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Old 04-06-2022, 01:23 PM   #6190
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Just saw a post on Facebook from prime motorsports..a 2022 with a turboback and some gas mixtures and this things already dynoying 303whp/295wtq with low boost and no tuning. Holy sheet. First ever underrated Japanese car? Lol
If you look back into the 90's, most Japanese performance models were underrated once they put the 276hp limit on all cars. Honda's new 1.5 turbo was also underrated when it came out. Sounds like manufacturers are still allowing wiggle room for people who want to mod.
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Old 04-06-2022, 01:43 PM   #6191
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The 303whp was on E30, but even without the added ethanol it got 289whp/287wtq with just the turboback. They had also previously dynoed the same car at 245-256whp stock.
That is correct. 245-256 are STI #s. I saw someone on Reddit say that the 15-21s were 200-220 at the wheels, so the 2022 is probably around 290 at the crank.
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Old 04-06-2022, 03:18 PM   #6192
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The 303whp was on E30, but even without the added ethanol it got 289whp/287wtq with just the turboback. They had also previously dynoed the same car at 245-256whp stock.
The good news about making nearly 290+ whp on E10/E30 is that the stock fueling system has headroom; however, we would need to look closely at details like target AFR and actual AFR at peak torque and same at peak power.
The torque/boost curve would be nice to see as well (to find out how the ECU is handling the unrestricted downpipe).
All of that being said, we expected that swapping out the stock downpipe on FA24DIT would result in significant power gains since Subaru has had to choke the engine out to "fix" emissions.
The real trick, IMO, is gaining power, with a tune, on the bone stock hardware; that's what I'd like to see.
But, forget that, let's see what she does with stock everything on 91 Cali.
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But, forget that, let's see what she does with stock everything on 91 Cali.
and temps around 90 degrees.

we could call it the 91 test.

91 degrees and 91 octane, do you lose 91hp?
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Just saw a post on Facebook from prime motorsports..a 2022 with a turboback and some gas mixtures and this things already dynoying 303whp/295wtq with low boost and no tuning. Holy sheet. First ever underrated Japanese car? Lol
Hell yeah! I saw the video they posted, the red looks amazing. I love the rear end, bumper and all. I am really excited to see how far they will take this platform.
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Old 04-06-2022, 05:37 PM   #6195
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Hell yeah! I saw the video they posted, the red looks amazing. I love the rear end, bumper and all. I am really excited to see how far they will take this platform.
It's like putting hooves on a pig with lipstick.
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Y'all need to start hounding SOA for Torsens front and rear. Bam, you have your new STi.
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Seriously. Open diff WRX is sad at this point. Especially with Subaru cancelling the STI, the 2023 WRX should at least get the LSDs in a Performance Package, along with Brembos.
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Skip to about 13:20 mark...
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Old 04-06-2022, 06:58 PM   #6199
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Old 04-06-2022, 07:36 PM   #6200
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Skip to about 13:20 mark...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpLWu9fff_U
For the stillborn STI. But yeah, nothing stopping them from using some day, theoretically. Also, does the CVT not have some dial there?

I got a kick out of him thinking the foam+fix a flat weighs as much as a spare.
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