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Old 07-18-2022, 10:10 PM   #7176
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If only they would order Red.
Expand your search and use Cargurus. My zip code is 06092 and there are almost 200 WRXs for sale within 100 miles (some maybe sold or in transit). Iím guessing your local dealer can also trade for what your looking for as they are not flying off the lots here in New England.
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Old 07-19-2022, 07:02 AM   #7177
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Expand your search and use Cargurus. My zip code is 06092 and there are almost 200 WRXs for sale within 100 miles (some maybe sold or in transit). I'm guessing your local dealer can also trade for what your looking for as they are not flying off the lots here in New England.
Down in SNE, we have 86 of them listed in AutoTrader, 102 in CarGurus, and not all dealers use both services to list cars due to costs. Yet, there are only 24 wildnerness outbacks in the same range (cargurus).
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Old 07-19-2022, 07:27 AM   #7178
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I haven't seen a single red WRX yet, whether in person or at local dealerships. I just checked inventory on individual sites of local dealerships. As has always seemed to be the case, Premium is the most popular trim, followed by Base. I only see a couple of GT, and just as many Limited. Then, trying to find it in red makes it even more rare.

Red 2022 WRX is the one I'd like to see in person. Plastic cladding aside, red makes the car look more playful. The other colors make me think it's either trying too hard to be taken seriously, or it's too goofy (orange WRX).

When the 2013 BRZ first arrived, I ordered black and had to wait 6 months, and even then I was the only black BRZ in the entire state for another month or so. Some colors are less of a priority than others.

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Old 07-19-2022, 08:54 AM   #7179
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Oooohhhh. Red is nice in person. We've sent out 2 of them If I wasn't soo stuck on WRB, I'd probably get the red when I get mine. Was the same story with my Baja. Was about to get a red one from Carmax when my manager made me a deal on a brand new one I just couldn't refuse. Just that it was a blue one. Really glad I'm a "blue" guy; though, I do occasionally have a bit of regret not getting the red.
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Old 07-19-2022, 09:04 AM   #7180
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That Baja red wasn't a real red. I always called it "Legacy red". It's tame. Still, fairly rare to see a red Baja. I always see blue, black, and... *gulp* yellow. My buddy had a blue Baja and he absolutely hated this yellow Baja we'd see around town.

I'm actually a huge fan of yellow car when they're done correct. Sunrise Yellow Crosstrek almost got me. A yellow 2022 WRX would be kinda fire.
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Old 07-19-2022, 09:23 AM   #7181
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Expand your search and use Cargurus. My zip code is 06092 and there are almost 200 WRXs for sale within 100 miles (some maybe sold or in transit). Iím guessing your local dealer can also trade for what your looking for as they are not flying off the lots here in New England.
Thanks. Iím 2 years from needing a car. Plenty of time for someone to fix the current mess of offerings.

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I haven't seen a single red WRX yet, whether in person or at local dealerships. I just checked inventory on individual sites of local dealerships. As has always seemed to be the case, Premium is the most popular trim, followed by Base. I only see a couple of GT, and just as many Limited. Then, trying to find it in red makes it even more rare.

Red 2022 WRX is the one I'd like to see in person. Plastic cladding aside, red makes the car look more playful. The other colors make me think it's either trying too hard to be taken seriously, or it's too goofy (orange WRX).

When the 2013 BRZ first arrived, I ordered black and had to wait 6 months, and even then I was the only black BRZ in the entire state for another month or so. Some colors are less of a priority than others.
I saw a red one at the NYIAS and at least once in the wild. The new red is very similar to all of my previous red WRXs/STI.
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Subaru almost went bankrupt in the mid 2000's making all of the cars enthusiasts would have them make


Until SoDealer provides the proof to this... , everyone should simply respond "Got proof to back up your 'almost bankrupt in 2000's' post?" any time he posts in this thread.

Still haven't seen it yet, and I'm not going to let it pass until he does.

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Subaru just held its annual dealer meeting and apparently Tom Doll talked about two times in which SOA was in danger of going out of business. 1988-1993 and 2003-2006. He specifically expounded upon SOA's struggles in the 2003-2006 time frame while the rest of the industry was going gangbusters. He followed it up with what SOA did to right itself. Anyone have any dealer contacts that attended the meeting to corroborate that? Also, anyone here want to apologize for the doggy pile on sodealer?
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Old 07-20-2022, 07:23 AM   #7183
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I'm still trying to figure out why your being right matters. Is there an altar of worship I'm missing or something? Your info always made sense to me, but that's because I try my best to see things as they are, not how I want them to be. I've learned too many hard lessons when I've thought in the other direction.

Still, expecting an apology doesn't endear you to anyone. And you don't seem like someone who needs validation from forum members, nor someone who requires closure in general. For me the fun side of this forum is watching some members wallow in ignorance as this place is probably one of the few safe havens for their reprieve from reality. If they can't accept reality then that's on them. I've got plenty of other things to do than bicker back and forth with people who live shallow lives. I don't even read most responses in whole anymore because they bore me.

I'd rather see you start threads with legit links and information, but I can't recall if you've ever started anything. You're mostly just a responder. A backboard on a hoop. Which, if someone requires the assist then I guess that's nice, but more and more people are going to question your validity as time progresses and in turn your posts will be less appreciated. Especially when they don't validate the dream state.

But, hey, if this is your idea of fun, then you do you, BooBoo. I'll just be chillin'. (I'd use the popcorn emoji, but I'm allergic to corn... )
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Old 07-20-2022, 08:18 AM   #7184
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I'm still trying to figure out why your being right matters. Is there an altar of worship I'm missing or something? Your info always made sense to me, but that's because I try my best to see things as they are, not how I want them to be. I've learned too many hard lessons when I've thought in the other direction.

Still, expecting an apology doesn't endear you to anyone. And you don't seem like someone who needs validation from forum members, nor someone who requires closure in general. For me the fun side of this forum is watching some members wallow in ignorance as this place is probably one of the few safe havens for their reprieve from reality. If they can't accept reality then that's on them. I've got plenty of other things to do than bicker back and forth with people who live shallow lives. I don't even read most responses in whole anymore because they bore me.

I'd rather see you start threads with legit links and information, but I can't recall if you've ever started anything. You're mostly just a responder. A backboard on a hoop. Which, if someone requires the assist then I guess that's nice, but more and more people are going to question your validity as time progresses and in turn your posts will be less appreciated. Especially when they don't validate the dream state.

But, hey, if this is your idea of fun, then you do you, BooBoo. I'll just be chillin'. (I'd use the popcorn emoji, but I'm allergic to corn... )
I just want to take this opportunity to give a shout out to brandon as well.
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Old 07-20-2022, 09:21 AM   #7185
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I don't even really drink, but I'd be honored to share a drink with you just one time.
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Old 07-20-2022, 10:03 AM   #7186
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I don't even really drink, but I'd be honored to share a drink with you just one time.
Not you... the member brandon. Justy deserves a shoutout as well. I'm never here outright lying about Subaru. Yes I do make statements that end up being unpopular, but they've always come from a place of truth. I've never jumped on NASIOC misleading people for clout or malice, and yet I'm constantly and consistently met with resistance despite my track record here. At some point, I'll move along and let the miserable people entertain themselves...but not before we see this rally 4 thing to the end.

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Well obviously I'M not Brandon... I just like it when there's a short response that sidesteps my long-winded comment. It's like a Judo technique.
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Old 07-20-2022, 10:40 AM   #7188
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Subaru just held its annual dealer meeting and apparently Tom Doll talked about two times in which SOA was in danger of going out of business. 1988-1993 and 2003-2006. He specifically expounded upon SOA's struggles in the 2003-2006 time frame while the rest of the industry was going gangbusters. He followed it up with what SOA did to right itself. Anyone have any dealer contacts that attended the meeting to corroborate that? Also, anyone here want to apologize for the doggy pile on sodealer?
so your source is yourself?

and the only reaction you have to a car that is less than 6 months old being discounted (in a world where every car is pretty much going at/above MSRP) is because of allocation?

something's off dude, you don't have to agree with Rally 4 to see/admit that.
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Subaru just held its annual dealer meeting and apparently Tom Doll talked about two times in which SOA was in danger of going out of business. 1988-1993 and 2003-2006. He specifically expounded upon SOA's struggles in the 2003-2006 time frame while the rest of the industry was going gangbusters. He followed it up with what SOA did to right itself. Anyone have any dealer contacts that attended the meeting to corroborate that? Also, anyone here want to apologize for the doggy pile on sodealer?
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I've never jumped on NASIOC misleading people for clout or malice, and yet I'm constantly and consistently met with resistance despite my track record here.
You have a "never again" tattoo to remind you of the LGT, but your hatred blinds you to the fact that Subaru's lineup of everything else (except WRX and STI ) just wasn't compelling to 2005 Americans in relevant segments. So you come to the land of 5-door appreciation to whack at us with a red lightsaber when you see us looking at the Levorg. Thank you for the medicine!
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so your source is yourself?

and the only reaction you have to a car that is less than 6 months old being discounted (in a world where every car is pretty much going at/above MSRP) is because of allocation?

something's off dude, you don't have to agree with Rally 4 to see/admit that.
Someone here reached out and gave me a heads up that Doll's speech validated what I stated.

My issue with rally 4 isn't his sales information. I've already stated I think wrx is soft currently, but there are too many variables remaining to know for certain what's going on. I like to have my ducks in a row before I make claims, you know? My issue is with his product information. It's junk.
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You have a "never again" tattoo to remind you of the LGT, but your hatred blinds you to the fact that Subaru's lineup of everything else (except WRX and STI ) just wasn't compelling to 2005 Americans in relevant segments. So you come to the land of 5-door appreciation to whack at us with a red lightsaber when you see us looking at the Levorg. Thank you for the medicine!
I owned 2 legacy GTs. Lol. I posted here how WRX sales fell very quickly after introduction. Sales peaked in 2003 with the introduction of the STI and fell every year after. Telling uncomfortable truths doesn't equal hatred.

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Subaru just held its annual dealer meeting and apparently Tom Doll talked about two times in which SOA was in danger of going out of business. 1988-1993 and 2003-2006. He specifically expounded upon SOA's struggles in the 2003-2006 time frame while the rest of the industry was going gangbusters. He followed it up with what SOA did to right itself. Anyone have any dealer contacts that attended the meeting to corroborate that? Also, anyone here want to apologize for the doggy pile on sodealer?
Mitsubishi, Isuzu, and Suzuki were going gangbusters during that time period?

I still don't think your opinion is wrong. We just argue different points with different perspectives where success and importance is concerned. I think you know that. Which is disheartening when you continually air your personal grievances about the past in every thread. I'm sorry if you feel that's what I do. I'm not out to prove SoD wrong. I'm out for my own interests and I don't hide that. But please refrain from derailing threads with your quest for vindication and validation. Thank you.

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Old 07-20-2022, 12:07 PM   #7194
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Subaru just held its annual dealer meeting and apparently Tom Doll talked about two times in which SOA was in danger of going out of business. 1988-1993 and 2003-2006. He specifically expounded upon SOA's struggles in the 2003-2006 time frame while the rest of the industry was going gangbusters. He followed it up with what SOA did to right itself. Anyone have any dealer contacts that attended the meeting to corroborate that? Also, anyone here want to apologize for the doggy pile on sodealer?



Boss didn't let me go; but, I'm hoping the one that did will have remembered enough when I quiz them. But, those years would contradict your statement. WRX sold way to well to be one that would have brought it down. Then 2005-2006 was just the early years of the cars people here miss. Like the LGT and OBXT and their MT offerings. One could argue that those cars plus what Doll did when he took over are what helped. Then Doll focused on the proper Subaru formula to "right itself" and move up. I did have a quick conversation with him last year about this.





I'd argue one of the main things that helped was to get out of their decades old rut of not making a "family" sized car. ALLL of their competitors had grown. Making them more appealing cars. Which would hurt sales. Legacy Outback essentially saved them in the 90s. "Right sized and Responsible" saved them later.
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Mitsubishi, Isuzu, and Suzuki were going gangbusters during that time period?

I still don't think your opinion is wrong. We just argue different points with different perspectives where success and importance is concerned. I think you know that. Which is disheartening when you continually air your personal grievances about the past in every thread. I'm sorry if you feel that's what I do. I'm not out to prove SoD wrong. I'm out for my own interests and I don't hide that. But please refrain from derailing threads with your quest for vindication and validation. Thank you.
Mitsubishi killed itself. Mitsubishi had explosive growth and reached double Subaru's sales before 000 came home to roost. Suzuki sales increased every year except for one from 1998 until 2007, Isuzu was the opposite of Subaru. It had no product. Subaru went on a full product blitz beginning with the WRX and ending with the B9 Tribeca. That product offensive was largely ignored by the buying populace with a 17 million unit SAAR.

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Boss didn't let me go; but, I'm hoping the one that did will have remembered enough when I quiz them. But, those years would contradict your statement. WRX sold way to well to be one that would have brought it down. Then 2005-2006 was just the early years of the cars people here miss. Like the LGT and OBXT and their MT offerings. One could argue that those cars plus what Doll did when he took over are what helped. Then Doll focused on the proper Subaru formula to "right itself" and move up. I did have a quick conversation with him last year about this.
It doesn't contradict my statement at all. WRX peaked in 2003 and fell after that. One could argue LGT and OBXT helped, but one would be wrong. The Outback and Legacy sales of that generation were stagnant and fell quickly and stick out like a sore thumb compared to the prior generation and the subsequent generation. The turbos were the hardest vehicles to sell and had the highest incentives to get them moving. Looking at each model graphed, you can see the success building as each successive generation came onboard...except WRX. It needed a refresh of its follow up effort and ultimately an additional generation to match the success of the other models saw much sooner.
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I know you like to argue that the manual turbo models almost killed Subaru, but that drivetrain wasn't expensive to develop. Subaru sunk a ton of money into the Indiana plant at that time plus the development of the Tribeca and Baja that both failed, plus the upscale push of the Legacy/Outback which at the time, Subaru customers weren't interested in or ready for $30k+ Subarus. The push back down to less expensive models with more interior room and better gas mileage was what the general public wanted back then and what drove their sales afterwards.
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Someone here reached out and gave me a heads up that Doll's speech validated what I stated.

My issue with rally 4 isn't his sales information. I've already stated I think wrx is soft currently, but there are too many variables remaining to know for certain what's going on. I like to have my ducks in a row before I make claims, you know? My issue is with his product information. It's junk.

What I saw from his "claim" is SOA talking to SBR about what to do and the ideas they'd present. I saw no real production "claims" as such. Just "possibilities" which are ALWAYS there. Just the vast majority of come to fruition. The "possibilities" I've been told of over the years are many. Some are known here. Some are not. I don't discount the info he has put forth.


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It doesn't contradict my statement at all. WRX peaked in 2003 and fell after that. One could argue LGT and OBXT helped, but one would be wrong. The Outback and Legacy sales of that generation were stagnant and fell quickly and stick out like a sore thumb compared to the prior generation and the subsequent generation. The turbos were the hardest vehicles to sell and had the highest incentives to get them moving. Looking at each model graphed, you can see the success building as each successive generation came onboard...except WRX. It needed a refresh of its follow up effort and ultimately an additional generation to match the success of the other models saw much sooner.



2003-2006. LGT/OBXT came out in 2004. Subaru hit an all time record in 2006. Would be nice to see the breakdown in trim sales; but, it's hard to say a turbo offering(advertised as faster than a Boxter) and a 6cyl didn't help. Then, they took a year off with everyone else, then started their climb. WITH those offerings. Sales of the turbos wasn't great; but, this was also during a period of careful buyers. the only ones we had a hard time moving were the manuals(except WRX/STI of course). You say the WRX peaked in 2003 then moved down like it was an unpopular thing. I think it was more ALLLLLLL the people that had waited for 10 years for it to hit our shores got theirs and then it fell into a "normal" sales slot. Cause it wasn't "bad" until late 2008. Then it held on just fine until the VA and then.....well, we all know what happened to sales then.
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I know you like to argue that the manual turbo models almost killed Subaru, but that drivetrain wasn't expensive to develop. Subaru sunk a ton of money into the Indiana plant at that time plus the development of the Tribeca and Baja that both failed, plus the upscale push of the Legacy/Outback which at the time, Subaru customers weren't interested in or ready for $30k+ Subarus. The push back down to less expensive models with more interior room and better gas mileage was what the general public wanted back then and what drove their sales afterwards.
The whole product strategy of that time sold far below expectation in a very huge auto industry. Outback and legacy were far bigger failures than tribeca and Baja as they sold way less units than expected compared to tribeca and Baja missed combined. Legacy and Outback didnít even move the needle compared to the prior generation while incurring significantly more development cost than the prior generation. SIA came out of FHIís pockets, not SOAís. That eraís product strategy was a miss despite being a boon for enthusiasts. Subaru adapted and survived.
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I think the most important factor was that gas prices shot up after invading Iraq and Americans were not willing to fill their car up with premium. Subaru launched all of those turbo models (plus the H6) that required premium fuel right when the price of gas virtually doubled.

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2003-2006. LGT/OBXT came out in 2004. Subaru hit an all time record in 2006. Would be nice to see the breakdown in trim sales; but, it's hard to say a turbo offering(advertised as faster than a Boxter) and a 6cyl didn't help. Then, they took a year off with everyone else, then started their climb. WITH those offerings. Sales of the turbos wasn't great; but, this was also during a period of careful buyers. the only ones we had a hard time moving were the manuals(except WRX/STI of course). You say the WRX peaked in 2003 then moved down like it was an unpopular thing. I think it was more ALLLLLLL the people that had waited for 10 years for it to hit our shores got theirs and then it fell into a "normal" sales slot. Cause it wasn't "bad" until late 2008. Then it held on just fine until the VA and then.....well, we all know what happened to sales then.
I have posted in this very thread with the financial results that Subaru suffered big losses to hit that sales record. It spent massive amounts of incentives to attain it and decided the next year to contract in sales rather than spend their way to a goal. WRX made a business case for itself, sure, but itís direct contribution to Subaruís bottom line waned very quickly. 2003-2006 wasnít a period of careful buyers. It was one of the best periods of automotive sales. Muscle cars were back, retro nostalgia was in full swing, performance cars were everywhere.
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