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Old 07-09-2018, 04:38 PM   #26
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Look at the Continental ExtremeContact Sport also. Should be less $ and they are damn good. Running them now....
I'm thinking about them as well.
I had Extreme Contact DW a few years ago on my 2.5RS (205/55/16) and I liked them.
Now that I have tried the MPSS (third summer), I'm afraid to regret not going with the 4S.
But I will see. Money talks
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:44 PM   #27
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I had Conti ExtremeContact (non-Sport) summers on my BRZ and I really liked them. I'm hoping to check out the Michelin 4S next summer. MPSS used to be my "highly desired" wheels.
I don't know how is your Conti vs what the 4s would be on your BRZ, but I'm wondering if you will not have less fun with a too sticky tire on this car where one on his ability is to have fun drift ??
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I'm thinking about them as well.
I had Extreme Contact DW a few years ago on my 2.5RS (205/55/16) and I liked them.
Now that I have tried the MPSS (third summer), I'm afraid to regret not going with the 4S.
But I will see. Money talks
Their latest compounds are excellent. The DWS06 is significantly better than its' predecessor. The old tire I'd have to over inflate them due to flexing side walls. They fixed that with the DWS06. I run them as a winter tire here as we don't get snow. The ExtremeContact Sports, just as good as MPSS or better, and a lot less expensive. I've been so impressed with their compounds I just mounted some Pure Contact LS on my DD. Michelins are great but I think their price exceeds their capability. Just a little over priced.
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Old 07-09-2018, 04:52 PM   #29
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Their latest compounds are excellent. The DWS06 is significantly better than its' predecessor. The old tire I'd have to over inflate them due to flexing side walls. They fixed that with the DWS06. I run them as a winter tire here as we don't get snow. The ExtremeContact Sports, just as good as MPSS or better, and a lot less expensive. I've been so impressed with their compounds I just mounted some Pure Contact LS on my DD. Michelins are great but I think their price exceeds their capability. Just a little over priced.
Ok thanks a lot for your advice!
The grip is important but I will put effort in soundeadening and the quietness of the tire is important as well.
The oem Dunlop are not bad at all BUT they are noisy. My PSS are more quiet.
Yes, the Michelin are expensive but I got a killing price on my PSS.
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Old 07-09-2018, 06:25 PM   #30
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I don't know how is your Conti vs what the 4s would be on your BRZ, but I'm wondering if you will not have less fun with a too sticky tire on this car where one on his ability is to have fun drift ??
So a few years ago I drove in my buddy's BRZ and he had MPSS tires. He did note that because they were so sticky, it made the higher breaking point way scarier, which pretty much meant he never really tried to break them. Since I always enjoyed breaking free, I enjoyed the stock tires for a while. The Conti tires were a little sticky, but not terribly so.

I currently drive a 17 Impreza Sport that comes with just aiight all-seasons and those things cry all the time. Pretty much every roundabout, and Anchorage has about 12 of them scattered throughout the city.
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Old 07-09-2018, 10:49 PM   #31
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MPSSs are no joke - had 4 of em on my 135. Huge dry grip. Sidewalks are soft, but the ride was great.

Current gen WRX/STI is by far the best looking out of em all. I’ve seen some WRXs around here that look downright badass. Subaru nailed the whole thing, all angles. First Subaru that actually really looks good.
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:37 AM   #32
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Their latest compounds are excellent. The DWS06 is significantly better than its' predecessor. The old tire I'd have to over inflate them due to flexing side walls. They fixed that with the DWS06. I run them as a winter tire here as we don't get snow. The ExtremeContact Sports, just as good as MPSS or better, and a lot less expensive. I've been so impressed with their compounds I just mounted some Pure Contact LS on my DD. Michelins are great but I think their price exceeds their capability. Just a little over priced.
Have you tried the Michelins pilot sport 4S? The new Contis might be better than the MPSS but having driven the 4S and ExtremeContact sports back to back I much prefer the 4S handling especially when the road is wet. I definitely think they're worth the slight uptick in cost. There's a reason it's the #1 ranked high performance summer tire on tirerack.
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After my recent experience with the Conti DWS, not ever going back to that brand. Michelin from now on. Lesson learned.
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:54 AM   #34
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After my recent experience with the Conti DWS, not ever going back to that brand. Michelin from now on. Lesson learned.
Mind sharing? I've had DWS06 for awhile now and can't say enough good things.
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Old 07-10-2018, 02:48 PM   #35
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Mind sharing? I've had DWS06 for awhile now and can't say enough good things.
Sidewall bubbling. Multiple sets. Normal driving. Tire shop said they’d never had an issue before with those.
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Old 07-10-2018, 03:15 PM   #36
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Conti's are all known for that, ive worked at multiple tire shops and have never had as many issues with any other brand as we did with Contis. When the DWS came out and it was cheaper than pretty much everything, we had so many problems to the point where Continental asked our company to hold on to any DWS tires with failures, we had a 15-20 tall stack every few months to send back. Hopefully Subaru warrants putting a good tire on the next STI model we get, i dont know how the Yoko's are on the new RA but every tire from 08+ has been a huge letdown for STI models.

I hate when magazines rag on STIs for having subpar handling compared to say an RS or Type-R but its on garbage tires while everything else is rolling on thousand dollar track-day rubber.
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Yeah I stayed away from the DWS. They seemed problematic.
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Old 07-10-2018, 07:01 PM   #38
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[...]I hate when magazines rag on STIs for having subpar handling compared to say an RS or Type-R but its on garbage tires while everything else is rolling on thousand dollar track-day rubber.
When moto journos compare sports bikes, they mount the exact same tires on all the bikes.
It's usually the stickiest DOT-approved racing tire they can find.
Somehow, auto journos do not swap tires; or they do it extremely rarely and, I agree, that sucks.

That being said, nobody is preventing Subaru from outfitting the STI with the stickiest tire they can get away with.
I think that, if they really cared, they would have offered the Bridgestone RE-71R as an optional tire package for the STI.
That's what Ford is doing with the Focus RS; the street-focused MPSS are standard and the track-focused Sport Cup 2 are optional.
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Subaru is smaller than Ford. I don't think giving tire options is on their agenda. Especially when people keep buying them as-is. Ford can't even afford to continue sedans, so everyone seems to have a price point where they throw in the towel.

It'd be easier for these car mags to swap like-tires when comparing these cars, but they seldom do this. When they have, the STI has done better, if not equal. I think the last test I saw was when the 2015 STI first came out. I forget when exactly, but I know it's on Youtube.

I could never say the STI is bad. It's just old. Hard to swallow that pill when everything else seems new even within the brand.
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Subaru is smaller than Ford. I don't think giving tire options is on their agenda. Especially when people keep buying them as-is. Ford can't even afford to continue sedans, so everyone seems to have a price point where they throw in the towel.

It'd be easier for these car mags to swap like-tires when comparing these cars, but they seldom do this. When they have, the STI has done better, if not equal. I think the last test I saw was when the 2015 STI first came out. I forget when exactly, but I know it's on Youtube.

I could never say the STI is bad. It's just old. Hard to swallow that pill when everything else seems new even within the brand.
Yeah, yeah, poor Subaru, they're so small. I'm almost in tears right now. It's so unfair .
Ok, let's forget about stickier tires for a moment.
How about providing a proper, performance-oriented, wheel alignment from the factory to take better advantage of the stock Dunlop tire?
Is Subaru too small to do that as well?
A proper alignment alone would help tremendously with (magazine) lap times.
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Old 07-10-2018, 09:17 PM   #41
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Have you tried the Michelins pilot sport 4S? The new Contis might be better than the MPSS but having driven the 4S and ExtremeContact sports back to back I much prefer the 4S handling especially when the road is wet. I definitely think they're worth the slight uptick in cost. There's a reason it's the #1 ranked high performance summer tire on tirerack.
No because they are $60 more a tire in my preferred size. That’s $250 a set more with negligible benefit to me. Depending on tire size they could be $100 more per tire and they ain’t $100 better a tire. Mine are used on the street. I’ve driven the ECS in heavy rain to flooding and nary an issue, very impressed with them as well as the DWS06 in our heavy rains. I had MPSS prior to the ECS. Them sidewall issues are history as well.

I did a track day this year at Utah Motorsports Park in the RS and it was snowing the entire time. We were flat out the entire track day and the MPSS were excellent so the ECS is all I need. I rarely buy Slippelins. The French, especially on their sportbike tires, are always more with little benefit for the $. The only way I will buy them is discounted. Conti’s latest compounds are killing it for the $. I’m running 5 vehicles so $ talks.
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Subaru is smaller than Ford. I don't think giving tire options is on their agenda.
Actually, it would be simple.


They already have a tire program, likely run through Dealertire/Tirerack etc... The warehouse already has the tires, just add a Subaru P/N to the sku list for them. Make it a selectable option, pay the port labor time to install them. Even gives the dealer a chance to sell a set of winter wheels and tires to the customer. It's changes that would cost pennies (comparably) and pay for itself after only a couple sales.
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Yeah, yeah, poor Subaru, they're so small. I'm almost in tears right now. It's so unfair .

Ok, let's forget about stickier tires for a moment.

How about providing a proper, performance-oriented, wheel alignment from the factory to take better advantage of the stock Dunlop tire?

Is Subaru too small to do that as well?

A proper alignment alone would help tremendously with (magazine) lap times.


They come with stickier ADVANS now and still have a trash wheel alignment.

Kinda lame i need to buy aftermarket parts to be able to get a proper alignment.

Looks like camber bolts, whiteline top hats and cusco RLCAs in my future.
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Yup. A good alignment and better tires are all these cars need to be a good, stock vehicle.
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They come with stickier ADVANS now and still have a trash wheel alignment.

Kinda lame i need to buy aftermarket parts to be able to get a proper alignment.

Looks like camber bolts, whiteline top hats and cusco RLCAs in my future.
Not to threadjack but I got BNIB top hats for 15+ WRX/STI sitting right now since I decided to trade my car in. Shoot me a PM if you want them; I'll let em go pretty cheap
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The new RA-R went on sale in Japan yesterday. Subaru was taking orders for 500 units until December 17th.

All 500 sold out yesterday

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That's awesome. People in Japan probably don't complain about Subaru and the STi nearly as much as people in the US do.

Easy sales.
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That's awesome. People in Japan probably don't complain about Subaru and the STi nearly as much as people in the US do.

Easy sales.
thats because they get a far better engine than we do.
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Old 07-20-2018, 09:01 PM   #50
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If/when the EJ series cannot meet the soon-to-be international emissions standards would it then be dropped.

If we as a nation turn-back our imposition of emissions standards could the EJ continue to live.

Where's the rally roof vent?
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