Porsche owners

[edkwon]

Originally Posted by SilverBullets

Am I the only one who thinks this thing is ****ing ugly?

I'm just not a fan of the more bloated looks of the 992 in general. I'm a 991 owner and love my car but think even that generation looks too big.

997 Gen is the sweet spot in size for modern 911s IMHO.

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[PGH'02RS]

Originally Posted by edkwon

I'm just not a fan of the more bloated looks of the 992 in general. I'm a 991 owner and love my car but think even that generation looks too big.

997 Gen is the sweet spot in size for modern 911s IMHO.

On that note, I have something in the works but don’t wanna jinx it until it’s settled. Regarding the size, just look at how huge the new Turbo S is - this one was at my local

[TheCokeCan]

I think the bloat is understandable... they're essentially supercars shaped like a 911.

For example, 720s has about the same dimensions.

[Furiousd1983]

Dat ass :vomit:

[Kostamojen]

BTW the "Lightweight Package" and sport package are up on the configurator for the 911 Turbo S.

I would sooo rock one like that in Yellow

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Furiousd1983

Dat ass :vomit:

That has to be the ugliest 911 ass I've ever seen.

[PGH'02RS]

Couple of impromptu iPhone shots from last year of the 718S all dressed up

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[edkwon]

First review I've come across of the new base RWD Taycan.

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That looks fantastic @ PGH'

[Kostamojen]

He calls it Purple, then Violet... Clearly Matt is color blind.

[PGH'02RS]

You have to figure that this eventually kills the Panemera, right? There's no point in transitioning that to EV now that the Taycan exists, and if I'm buying a 4-door Porsceh right now, is going to be a Taycan

[rmbrady]

It'll be interesting to see what they do with those two cars. I've read that the back seat in the Taycan barely better than a coupe, while the Panamera is decently large. Although I'm not sure Panamera buyers actually care about the back seat.

[edkwon]

Originally Posted by rmbrady

It'll be interesting to see what they do with those two cars. I've read that the back seat in the Taycan barely better than a coupe, while the Panamera is decently large. Although I'm not sure Panamera buyers actually care about the back seat.

That's an exaggeration, I've test driven a Taycan 4S and sat in the back row behind front seats set to my comfy seating position, it's definitely real 2nd row seating legroom but on the scale of a modern A4 or 3 series, definitelg snug for a sedan but liveable. The rear sloping coupe like roofline cutting into the headroom is an issue but at least my 5'11" head wasn't touching the rear headliner.

[the_saintusa]

Originally Posted by PGH'02RS

You have to figure that this eventually kills the Panemera, right? There's no point in transitioning that to EV now that the Taycan exists, and if I'm buying a 4-door Porsceh right now, is going to be a Taycan

Agree.

The only reason to get a Panamera for me would be to be able to drive 500 miles on a tank, where charging would be iffy.

If we NEVER wanted to take an EV to our condo then there is no issue.

It is 240 miles to our condo, an easy 3 hr drive.

Currently in our complex there are no EV charging stations. Closest charging sites are downtown which could be doable, we like to drive out after work and ski the next day (another 60 miles round trip).

Issue that I am concerned about is not being able to get charged when we need, and not being able to head out when we want. 1% problems. But another 150 miles of range would be great. Could drive out, go skiing and then get a charge the next day.

I am looking forward to geting an EV Porsche, but a bit more range / more charging stations would be great so we could take it to the mountains. Would be a great replacement for the E63.

Simple solution is to buy a house and add a charging station in the garage. Or cheaper solution, take another vehicle.

1% problems.

To your point @PGH, I would be surprised if they made the Panamera a full fledged EV vehicle, despite the greater room. But people do like their big cars.

[Jack]

I remember a video where the Tesla owner charged his car with a Honda generator.

[Kostamojen]

I still can't see how the full transition can happen until EVs have 500-1000 miles of range plus can actually deal with towing. Probably half of American families need that capability at some point in their lives.

[edkwon]

My buddy with his 991.2 GT3RS was in town this weekend, we drove around the mountain roads and even swapped cars for a bit, goddamn that thing is a beast.

DSC07012 by Ed Kwon, on Flickr

DSC06973 by Ed Kwon, on Flickr

[the_saintusa]

Both cars are fantastic!

[Vectors2Final]

I didn't realize you picked up a 911, Ed.

She's a beaut.

[the_saintusa]

@edkwon How does the GT3RS pull compare to your turbo?

Does it hook up well?

Imagine it feels quite a bit lighter with respect to handling than your car.

[PGH'02RS]

Both looking great! I haven't driven newer versions of either, but from their 997 variants I remember them being two totally different animals.

Also, very jealous of mountain road driving since right now our roads have about an inch of rock salt on them and it's dumping snow every other day

[edkwon]

Originally Posted by Vectors2Final

I didn't realize you picked up a 911, Ed.

She's a beaut.

Thanks, I've had it for almost 2 1/2 years, great car. It's around 550 WHP with a stg 1 tune, honestly I can't imagine needing/using more power than that in a performance car, I wouldn't know what to do with it.

And getting old with ever failing eyesight and slowing reaction time, that's fine with me

[edkwon]

Originally Posted by the_saintusa

@edkwon How does the GT3RS pull compare to your turbo?

Does it hook up well?

Imagine it feels quite a bit lighter with respect to handling than your car.

I'll give a short answer and long answer.

Short answer: both have similar power to weight ratios if you look purely at the numbers, but the power delivery couldn't be more different. The true definition of linear vs turbocharged power delivery.





Long answer:

GT3RS: with its 9000 RPM redline and weighing around 300 lbs less than my Turbo (7200 RPM redline, its power delivery feels even more furious than my car when you rev it to redline. And my friend ditched the stock RS exhaust with an Akrapovic piece making it sound even more insane.

Basically, its a totally different visceral driving experience where its way more thrilling to drive at 8/10ths and above, and the linear power delivery is a more 'honest' feel than the Turbo. In my Turbo, its not seamless spooling of the turbos and you can feel when they kick in and at that point there is a brain disconnect between how far I push the throttle and how much acceleration is being produced, so its easy to go way faster than you realize. The only disconnect that is even more extreme is a powerful EV like a Tesla in Ludicrous mode for example.

With the N/A GT3 motor, I don't have this disconnect, wherever I press the throttle, the power delivery is where I expect it to be and makes sense, and I miss that direct feel in my Cayman (altho that had way less power and poor gearing).

Handling on the GT3RS of course, especially on twisties, there is not comparison, but I left traction control on in the mountains and it was still easy to drive at the pace I chose to (not being my car and being RWD with constant fear of stuffing it if I exceeded my talent limits).

So when driving HARD, the GT3RS is a much more fun experience, but anything less than that, it loses its charm and can become very tiring after prolonged seat time especially for this old man.

To use an analogy, if the Turbo and the GT3RS were two different friends:

The Turbo - that friend who can be the life of the party and switch it on when he needs to, but can also dial it back and be chill when you need that.

The GT3RS - that friend who is even more of a party rager than the Turbo and does nothing less than 10/10ths, but when the party is over, has no idea how to turn it off and becomes annoying AF in any other situation. When you're not in the mood to have fun, you want him to GTFO out of your house lol.

[edkwon]

And to add, after my driving experience with the RS, I now know whenever I sell/trade in my Turbo, any Porsche I replace it with will go back to a N/A car with less hp, because I car less about absolutely straight line speed/acceleration these days and more of a well rounded driving experience.

If i want to go stupid fast in a straight line, I can stomp on the pedal of my Tesla Model Y, done.

[the_saintusa]

GT3T

Do it!

I was set on getting a 2016 Cayman GT4 (knowing the issues with the gearing) and hoping to regear it. But kept getting the run around, when it was being traded in.

Ended up with my current Porsche, but like you am still looking at a N/A Porsche for the reasons you mention.

Great review, and awesome that you got to drive the GT3RS.

How has your 991.1 Turbo been with regards to any potential issues?