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Old 01-29-2010, 10:19 AM   #1
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I've got a 2005 MINI Cooper at the house. The fuel mileage has been going down, so i ordered a couple universal Bosch sensors for $48 each from www.Rockauto.com. Almost immediately after installing them, i got a check engine light, bank 1 sensor 1. Checked the wiring, all ok, cleared the code, it came on a day later. I talked to a few technicians I know, and none of them had faith in the Bosch sensors.

I'm reluctant to go back to MINI, because we had one of those fail early on, and they are $250 each. I'd like to find a quality direct fit sensor, don't want to pay more than about $150 each.

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BOSCH Part # 15730 More Info {OE SmartLink - Universal Fit}
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The above are the ones I bought. No bueno.

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BOSCH Part # 13878 More Info {OE Type - Exact Fit}
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:20 AM   #2
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I'd buy the fancy OE fit expensive Bosch or the Denso. I thought the rule was Bosch for German cars?
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I have no faith in any Bosch O2 sensor right now.

I think the OE ones were NTK or something like that.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:34 AM   #4
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Well the OE fit > the universal one. I've heard of a fair amount of issues with the universal one but the OE fit ones have worked just fine for me in three cars including my current one. I think they're the same as Denso or something actually.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:40 AM   #5
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I'd buy the fancy OE fit expensive Bosch or the Denso. I thought the rule was Bosch for German cars?
Isn't a Mini German?
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The universal ones came with a pretty impressive waterproof splicing kit. I have a hard time believing that was the issue. So, what makes the Bosch direct fit so much better than the Universal?
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The universal ones came with a pretty impressive waterproof splicing kit. I have a hard time believing that was the issue. So, what makes the Bosch direct fit so much better than the Universal?
As far as I know, it's not just the plug but on some models the sensor tip is a different/more specific shape or position. I THINK. I cannot confirm this with anything other than a "that would make sense" pile of logic. I do not sell Bosch***8482; brand Quality OEM Replacement Oxygen Sensors (with a 100,000 mile warranty, call your local dealer today!).

No but really, I don't. I just always thought Bosch was good stuff for the Deutschmobiles.
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I have no faith in any Bosch O2 sensor right now.

I think the OE ones were NTK or something like that.
I swear by the NTK/NGK O2 sensors.
Have had great experiences with them.
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The sensor tip on the universal is certainly different than the OE. Didn't think that would be a problem, but I could be wrong.
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The NGK is winning.
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Old 01-29-2010, 10:46 AM   #11
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The sensor tip on the universal is certainly different than the OE. Didn't think that would be a problem, but I could be wrong.
I think it just changes where in the stream it does its sniffing and on some cars, it matters. I'd say give the OE Bosch a try and if it doesn't work, I'll rob a hobo for you.

And like I said, I think the Bosch one I got for my WRX was actually a Denso unit (or at least they looked 100% indentical) so I'd put my money on that one too, as long as it's OE fit.
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what was the code you got? the exact number
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what was the code you got? the exact number
Don't remember.
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off topic is definitely the best place to post this.
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off topic is definitely the best place to post this.
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