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Old 03-26-2022, 06:02 AM   #1
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Default Michelin Pilot Sport 5

So I as You wonder what's new with Pilot 5?

It has been pointed out that the Japanese version of the PS5 press release shows a 1.7% decrease in wet lap time. I've reached out to Michelin to find out if this is the same version of the PS4 and PS5 we have in Europe, or whether it's a slightly different tire for the Japanese market!

Michelin has just launched the new Michelin Pilot Sport 5, and it looks to be a very interesting, but perhaps not what we expected, update!

First up, some general information to clear up some confusion online. This tire is not a replacement for the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 AND 4S. The Michelin Pilot Sport 5 (PS5) directly replaces the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 (PS4), and while there's been no official announcement about the replacement of the Pilot Sport 4 S (PS4S), it is likely this will be replaced at some point in the future.

The "non-S" version of the Pilot Sport summer tire range has always been aimed at smaller wheel sizes, and is slightly less performance orientated than the "S version". As an example, in Europe the Pilot Sport 4 was available from 16" to 22" wheel sizes, and aimed at the segment of cars and SUVs which need less ultimate performance, and a little more comfort. This is the segment of user the PS5 is aimed at.

The Pilot Sport 4 S, in Europe at least, started in 19" for most of its life and went up to 23", offering slightly improved dry and wet grip and handling, at the expense of a little comfort and rolling resistance. The differences were small, but they existed.

North America is a slightly different market, and they had almost no sizes of the PS4 instead having the PS4S in 16" and above. According to the press releases it's likely that North America will have a little more availability of the PS5, especially while we're globally waiting for the replacement of the PS4S.

What's Changed?

The biggest changes to the PS5, when comparing it to the PS4, seem to be vastly improved wear. Michelin have always been one of the leaders in wear, but it's fair to say the PS4 fell short of its usual standard, often performing averagely at best in wear tests.

With the PS5, Michelin seem to have regained an advantage over the rivals, and a large one at that.

To give you an idea of the improved wear, the PS4 used to be convincingly beaten by the Asymmetric 5 in wear tests, but in a test conducted by Dekra, the Michelin Pilot Sport 5 was the benchmark at 100%, the Bridgestone Potenza Sport managed 58.7%, the Continental PremiumContact 6 63.7%, the Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 5 78.2% and the Pirelli P Zero PZ4 56.2% of the new Michelins tread life. That's a huge jump compared to the PS4, and the PS5 looks to offer almost DOUBLE the tread life of Bridgestone and Pirelli!

Unfortunately, increased wear usually opposes grip during development, which means a huge jump in tread life like this, often reduces grip.

Fortunately, as this is Michelin, there's NO WAY they'd have reduced the grip of the PS4. That's just not an option. But, as there's no benchmarks against the PS4 showing improved grip in all the press material, I think it's safe to assume Michelin have not been able to find much improvement in dry or wet grip over the PS4, just tread life.

That's not to say this tire won't be excellent in the grip department. TUV also tested the dry and wet braking of the new Pilot Sport 5 against the same group of tire, and it just about led overall, with the Bridgestone and Pirelli extremely close in distances. This is impressive, but it's also where the PS4 left off...
On the Subject of Handling?

The Michelin press release also talks about handling and responsiveness, throwing terms such as Dynamic Response Technology into the mix which seems to imply that the PS5 should handle better, but on further inspection this is all technology that existed in the PS4. As TUV had tires to test braking, it seems logical they'd have tested handling too, and there's no reference of the PS5 being "better" or "more" than its rivals or even the PS4, it might be that the handling differences of the new Pilot Sport 5 are small or non-existent. Tire Reviews will of course find out in the near future.

Some might find this disappointing, and it will be especially interesting to see whether the new Asymmetric 6 jumps the PS5 in terms of grip as the PS4 and Asymmetric 5 were very close. The Michelin focus is firmly on long lasting performance, and making their tires perform as well as possible all the way to the legal 1.6mm tread life. It seems that the new Michelin Pilot Sport 5 will be doing that in abundance, leading the way for the key competitors to play catchup.

One last thing to consider - Michelin has absolutely won any sidewall design competition, as every new Pilot Sport 5 has the beautiful velvet touch sidewall that has been appearing on the newer Michelin tires. Currently no rival manufacturer offers anything this sexy.
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Old 03-26-2022, 06:58 AM   #2
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I thought the PS5 is a video game console?
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Old 03-26-2022, 09:15 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by KC View Post
I thought the PS5 is a video game console?

It is. This tire is only available in Grand Turismo 7.
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Old 03-26-2022, 09:19 AM   #4
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I need new summer tires and was considering the MPS4 until I heard the 5 was coming out. I enjoy being a guinea pig.
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