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Old Yesterday, 09:33 AM   #51
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Are you talking about the same Subaru we are? Thereís so much wrong with your post.

Us Ď14, Ď15 FXT and some Ď16 FXT owners waited 3 freaking YEARS for an ECU reflash to fix major issues with the engine. This was a safety issue, performance issue and a reliability issue. We also waited years for the FA20DIT leak-down tests that resulted in tons of replaced engines. Weíre also all waiting for our CVTs to blow up. Subaru extended the warranty instead of dealing with known reliability issues via recall.

I want some of what youíre smoking. Oh, and oil burning fiasco and ringland fiasco..
I had a 14 FXT for 3 years. There was an ECU update sometime in 2014 that fixed most issues I noticed and never had an engine or transmission issue. The only concern that wasn't fixed was the delayed start, that did not always occur. Regarding, safety, performance, and reliability? You are blowing things out of porportion.
There are numerous FXT and WRX with well over 100k reliable miles now.
I just picked up a 19 WRX. I've had more issues with the EJ255 than the FA20. At least in my experience. Do I love the tune, nope. I think the stock tune is much more livable with a CVT than a manual.
The CVT blowing up is unfounded. There have been relatively few CVT issues compared to previous transmissions. Subaru extended the warranty more to ease consumers minds than due to actual issues.

Bottom line, if you only look at forums you will see problems. However, people are significantly more likely to complain about issues than to repeat positive experiences all over. Forum problem threads are in the minority.
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Old Yesterday, 09:34 AM   #52
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I don't think those issues are nearly as widespread as one should actually believe. Are they known issues? Sure. But that doesn't mean they infect every Subaru.

I've owned FA20, FB20 and FB20DI engines. No oil issues. Two CVTs (different generations), zero issues. I know one family with a new Crosstrek and a new Impreza. I'll ask them how their cars have been.

Another buddy's wife has a 2012 Impreza Sport CVT that I've driven and rode in frequently enough and it had zero issues. I drove a friend's 5MT 2012 Impreza Premium from Alaska to Seattle, and her husband drove it to Oregon. Zero issues.

My other buddy has a 2015 WRX, but it's modded and tuned. His dad had a 2015 WRX for a bit, completely unmolested, but he's always impulse purchasing cars and eventually traded it in for a Cadillac. No known issues with either of their cars.

Akrexak posts here sometimes. He just bought his second 2015+ STI after having owned a 2007 STI for a while. He loves them and has never expressed issues. I took pics of his wife's 2014 Forester XT and the only thing wrong with it was a cracked windshield.

The worst complaints I've heard are on this specific forum. Which makes sense, socially. I just don't think it's indicative of everyone's experience, or even the majority.

My biggest issue with Subaru at the moment is how slowly they're stocking replacement parts and possibly the fit and finish of some of their exterior trim.
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Is it just me or are new Subarus going way overboard with screens - there's like 3 screens, all showing useless crap. Do I really need to see a live report of the incline of my driveway? Or where the power is going when I go through a big puddle?

VW is like that too, the digital cockpit lets you choose like 10 different screens, all pretty much useless. Oh but how about showing Waze or Google maps on the digital cockpit? Nope, sorry, only the onboard nav.

I like a big screen for nav, but otherwise who needs all that information?
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Is it just me or are new Subarus going way overboard with screens - there's like 3 screens, all showing useless crap. Do I really need to see a live report of the incline of my driveway? Or where the power is going when I go through a big puddle?

VW is like that too, the digital cockpit lets you choose like 10 different screens, all pretty much useless. Oh but how about showing Waze or Google maps on the digital cockpit? Nope, sorry, only the onboard nav.

I like a big screen for nav, but otherwise who needs all that information?
For the upper screen I like to view my oil and water temp, and throttle response. Or media info if my map is being displayed. I wished it showed text directions up top.

Main screen is what it is.

Dad screen I check my tire pressure throughout my road trips.
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Is it just me or are new Subarus going way overboard with screens - there's like 3 screens, all showing useless crap. Do I really need to see a live report of the incline of my driveway? Or where the power is going when I go through a big puddle?

VW is like that too, the digital cockpit lets you choose like 10 different screens, all pretty much useless. Oh but how about showing Waze or Google maps on the digital cockpit? Nope, sorry, only the onboard nav.

I like a big screen for nav, but otherwise who needs all that information?
That's actually one of the strengths of the Subaru "cockpit". I can configure all the screens and see everything I want without having to poke and switch while driving. My other car is not bad, but I do have to toggle a bit from time to time to get the info I need. My son's Model 3, though, is really terrible. Whenever I drive with him, I don't think he goes more than 5 min without poking and looking at something on that big center monitor. That's got to be the biggest driver distraction of any car.
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Old Yesterday, 11:32 AM   #56
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I don't think those issues are nearly as widespread as one should actually believe. Are they known issues? Sure. But that doesn't mean they infect every Subaru.

I've owned FA20, FB20 and FB20DI engines. No oil issues. Two CVTs (different generations), zero issues. I know one family with a new Crosstrek and a new Impreza. I'll ask them how their cars have been.

Another buddy's wife has a 2012 Impreza Sport CVT that I've driven and rode in frequently enough and it had zero issues. I drove a friend's 5MT 2012 Impreza Premium from Alaska to Seattle, and her husband drove it to Oregon. Zero issues.

My other buddy has a 2015 WRX, but it's modded and tuned. His dad had a 2015 WRX for a bit, completely unmolested, but he's always impulse purchasing cars and eventually traded it in for a Cadillac. No known issues with either of their cars.

Akrexak posts here sometimes. He just bought his second 2015+ STI after having owned a 2007 STI for a while. He loves them and has never expressed issues. I took pics of his wife's 2014 Forester XT and the only thing wrong with it was a cracked windshield.

The worst complaints I've heard are on this specific forum. Which makes sense, socially. I just don't think it's indicative of everyone's experience, or even the majority.

My biggest issue with Subaru at the moment is how slowly they're stocking replacement parts and possibly the fit and finish of some of their exterior trim.
Same here, which is what I was inferring earlier.
I've had 8 Subarus.
98 Outback 4eat (I believe) - did replace head gaskets. Sold it with over 230k
06 Legacy 2.5i 5mt, did use/leak some oil, but had over 100k, no major issues
14 FXT - no major issues as I said before. Traded with 34k
14 WRX - only had it for 1.5 years, but no issues
16 Crosstrek - traded with 34k, no issues
19 outback - has 5k on it currently, only complaints are due to headunit/software
19 WRX - only has 1100 miles right now.

I've had 3 Subaru CVT vehicles, and not a single cvt issue. Subaru has improved them over the years. I know lots of people with Subarus and have never ever met anyone with a CVT issue.

The new DI engines have carbon build up issues, but so does any DI engine. The new tune could be better, but that's quite a bit due too emmission regulations.

As I said before, Subaru does a good job of taking care of their customers, and makes sure their vehicles are safe as can be. I have friends who had to fight GM to get the ignition replaced, which was a widespread safety issue!
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Everybody is going to have different stories or thoughts about why Subaru profits tanked. The article mentions three things with one being warranty costs.

Justy, what does a CVT cost? Looks like a unit cost 6K and is a dealer only unit still. So with labor SOA is paying at least 8K per warranty claim.

So, let's say an average Subaru's sale price is 35K or so, it doesn't take that many trans problems to kill profits. Subaru has done a great job making a steel on steel CVT work. It's just too expensive and will always be limited.

The engine problems haven't been that consistent last year. Head units, seats, moldings, etc. are not expensive enough nor do they require extensive labor that would add up to Subaru's cost problems.

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.....Bottom line, if you only look at forums you will see problems. However, people are significantly more likely to complain about issues than to repeat positive experiences all over. Forum problem threads are in the minority.
What I think is funny about this is, the people that do come in and give positive experiences(excluding me;but, I have had not good experiences as well), they are labeled as many different derogatory names or they are "justifying" their purchase. It's like this forum has turned into the "I hate Subaru" forum instead of what it was originally about. Things change. Cars change. The people on here are gripping about both. They don't like the change to the "future". Tech stuff, chassis improvements, more room; but, bitch about the no-change(EJ......yes, I agree). Can't win.

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Is it just me or are new Subarus going way overboard with screens - there's like 3 screens, all showing useless crap. Do I really need to see a live report of the incline of my driveway? Or where the power is going when I go through a big puddle?

VW is like that too, the digital cockpit lets you choose like 10 different screens, all pretty much useless. Oh but how about showing Waze or Google maps on the digital cockpit? Nope, sorry, only the onboard nav.

I like a big screen for nav, but otherwise who needs all that information?
I'm going to say personal preference. I get it both ways. Some love it, some are overly confused about them. I call THAT job security as I get to constantly show them how to use them.

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For the upper screen I like to view my oil and water temp, and throttle response. Or media info if my map is being displayed. I wished it showed text directions up top. Multi-Function Display(MFD)

Main screen is what it is. Starlink Screen/display

Dad screen I check my tire pressure throughout my road trips. Combination Meter Display(CMD)
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Old Yesterday, 07:23 PM   #59
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Yeah yeah yeah fancy names for fancy things.

Upper, middle, and side display work fine for me.
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Same here, which is what I was inferring earlier.
I've had 8 Subarus.
98 Outback 4eat (I believe) - did replace head gaskets. Sold it with over 230k
06 Legacy 2.5i 5mt, did use/leak some oil, but had over 100k, no major issues
14 FXT - no major issues as I said before. Traded with 34k
14 WRX - only had it for 1.5 years, but no issues
16 Crosstrek - traded with 34k, no issues
19 outback - has 5k on it currently, only complaints are due to headunit/software
19 WRX - only has 1100 miles right now.

I've had 3 Subaru CVT vehicles, and not a single cvt issue. Subaru has improved them over the years. I know lots of people with Subarus and have never ever met anyone with a CVT issue.

34k and no issues!? Woh - cool story, bro!

The new DI engines have carbon build up issues, but so does any DI engine. The new tune could be better, but that's quite a bit due too emmission regulations.

As I said before, Subaru does a good job of taking care of their customers, and makes sure their vehicles are safe as can be. I have friends who had to fight GM to get the ignition replaced, which was a widespread safety issue!
Your CVT anecdote = worthless. You haven't kept ANY new vehicle long enough to mean a damn.

You had a vehicle for 34k without issue!? Wooooooh!
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I had a 14 FXT for 3 years. There was an ECU update sometime in 2014 that fixed most issues I noticed and never had an engine or transmission issue. The only concern that wasn't fixed was the delayed start, that did not always occur. Regarding, safety, performance, and reliability? You are blowing things out of porportion.
There are numerous FXT and WRX with well over 100k reliable miles now.
I just picked up a 19 WRX. I've had more issues with the EJ255 than the FA20. At least in my experience. Do I love the tune, nope. I think the stock tune is much more livable with a CVT than a manual.
The CVT blowing up is unfounded. There have been relatively few CVT issues compared to previous transmissions. Subaru extended the warranty more to ease consumers minds than due to actual issues.

Bottom line, if you only look at forums you will see problems. However, people are significantly more likely to complain about issues than to repeat positive experiences all over. Forum problem threads are in the minority.
Thatís fine you didnít have issues - others did. I got the same ECU update in 2014. It actually made the problem worse! Problem wasnít fixed until the big 2016 update. And yes, going into limp mode @ 80mph on the highway is a serious safety issue.
Just because you didnít experience any issue means diddly freakin squat to those that did. And the point is, Subaru sat on the problem for YEARS.
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Same here, which is what I was inferring earlier.
I've had 8 Subarus.
98 Outback 4eat (I believe) - did replace head gaskets. Sold it with over 230k
06 Legacy 2.5i 5mt, did use/leak some oil, but had over 100k, no major issues
14 FXT - no major issues as I said before. Traded with 34k
14 WRX - only had it for 1.5 years, but no issues
16 Crosstrek - traded with 34k, no issues
19 outback - has 5k on it currently, only complaints are due to headunit/software
19 WRX - only has 1100 miles right now.

I've had 3 Subaru CVT vehicles, and not a single cvt issue. Subaru has improved them over the years. I know lots of people with Subarus and have never ever met anyone with a CVT issue.

The new DI engines have carbon build up issues, but so does any DI engine. The new tune could be better, but that's quite a bit due too emmission regulations.

As I said before, Subaru does a good job of taking care of their customers, and makes sure their vehicles are safe as can be. I have friends who had to fight GM to get the ignition replaced, which was a widespread safety issue!
Iíve had a lot more Subarus than you. And then thereís all of my familyís Subarus. Whatís your point?
You havenít kept any long enough to even matter in this discussion. Iíve had some without a single problem, Iíve had others with tons of problems, and everything in between.
Iíve seen Subaru handle things I never had an issue with and Iíve seen Subaru not handle things I, and many others had an issue with.
Your blanket statements donít work.
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Brah, he said, "Subaru tends to be quick to issue a recall and make sure their customers are happy" and you're jumping down his throat.

He's not wrong. They are quick to issue recalls. Now, are they quick to actually fix them? Experiences may vary, depending on dealership and region. Concerning your software fiasco, one person chimed in and said that their update fixed issues, while yours didn't. No one's claiming otherwise. That doesn't change the fact that Subaru acknowledged the issue with a recall or intent to fix. They didn't just wait for a few hundred people to die before trying to fix it.

Also, I'm not sure why an extended warranty on the CVT is a bad thing. It doesn't mean there are CVTs blowing up left and right. It just means they're covering themselves just in case all the CVTs blow up left and right... before the warranty expires.

My 2014 Crosstrek has over 80k miles. I'll letcha know when it blows up in about 15k miles.

If it doesn't blow up I won't share it here because my positive experience isn't status quo.
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Got my first Subaru in 1992. At 52, with a long history of vehicular obsession behind me

After my first bad winter in WV, one nearly as bad as any I had seen in the previous thirty years in New England, I was certain Iíd never own any other brand. . And I havenít.

Twenty seven years. Many Subarus. Zero problems I didnít cause.

So, like the detractorsí refrain... YOUR personal problems and bad luck donít mean squat to me.

In terms of my own very long history, no other vehicle manufacturer has come close to providing me the satisfaction Iíve enjoyed owning Subarus.
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Brah, he said, "Subaru tends to be quick to issue a recall and make sure their customers are happy" and you're jumping down his throat.

He's not wrong. They are quick to issue recalls. Now, are they quick to actually fix them? Experiences may vary, depending on dealership and region. Concerning your software fiasco, one person chimed in and said that their update fixed issues, while yours didn't. No one's claiming otherwise. That doesn't change the fact that Subaru acknowledged the issue with a recall or intent to fix. They didn't just wait for a few hundred people to die before trying to fix it.

Also, I'm not sure why an extended warranty on the CVT is a bad thing. It doesn't mean there are CVTs blowing up left and right. It just means they're covering themselves just in case all the CVTs blow up left and right... before the warranty expires.

My 2014 Crosstrek has over 80k miles. I'll letcha know when it blows up in about 15k miles.

If it doesn't blow up I won't share it here because my positive experience isn't status quo.
How is 3 years quick to fix something? This was a well-documented problem many owners were dealing with. I donít like blanket statements. He is wrong, and I called him out on the blanket statement.
As I said, Iíve seen things get fixed quick, and things never get fixed at all, and everything in between.
I also said Iíve had Subarus that never had a single problem. So why the snark about your Crosstrek blowing up? Does that add anything valuable to the conversation? We can compare every experience with every Subaru weíve had, but why? The info is already all out there, donít take my word for it.

If I didnít like Subarus, I wouldnít have owned so many. I love most all of them
Iíve had, but Iím also logical, objective and honest about them as well.
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Got my first Subaru in 1992. At 52, with a long history of vehicular obsession behind me

After my first bad winter in WV, one nearly as bad as any I had seen in the previous thirty years in New England, I was certain Iíd never own any other brand. . And I havenít.

Twenty seven years. Many Subarus. Zero problems I didnít cause.

So, like the detractorsí refrain... YOUR personal problems and bad luck donít mean squat to me.

In terms of my own very long history, no other vehicle manufacturer has come close to providing me the satisfaction Iíve enjoyed owning Subarus.
And YOUR personal experience doesnít mean squat to me - see how that works?
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For the upper screen I like to view my oil and water temp, and throttle response. Or media info if my map is being displayed. I wished it showed text directions up top.

Main screen is what it is.

Dad screen I check my tire pressure throughout my road trips.
I'd like that, water and oil temp, assuming they're real measurements and not some kind of calculated number.

2019 and I still haven't owned a car with Carplay (cause I was waiting for Waze), it's making me want to trade up or install one.
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