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Old 06-10-2018, 04:20 PM   #451
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Very boring race.
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Yep, another boring F1 race.

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That dopey broad waved the checkered flag a lap early.
Good job by Leclerc in the Sauber.
Williams and McLaren: nowhere.
The fact that they have some celebrity waving the checkered flag and affecting the actual race by waving it a lap early is 100% the current state of F1 in a nutshell. It's embarassing and nothing to do with racing, basically like the race itself. I thought I'd miss not being in Montreal but that may have been worse than Monaco.

Williams is actually scary bad. They are truly at the very bottom on merit.

Leclerc feels like Bianchi v2.0, I hope things continue to go well for him. He seems like a great star of the future!

I'm worried about Vandoorne's seat for 2019 now. He's not the first McLaren guy they've hyped up in recent years that hasn't delivered (KMag) and if he loses his seat to Norris, he better do a better job because they keep churning them out. I know Alonso is a crazy benchmark for a rookie, but they need to be realistic.
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sweet parade, f1
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:40 PM   #454
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I thought it was an entertaining race. It was entertaining to listen to Stroll and Claire Williams blame Hartley for Stroll losing it and running him into a wall. It was entertaining to watch Kimi giving up on life and making no attempt to catch or pass anyone. It was entertaining to watch McLaren prove, yet again, that Honda wasn't the problem.
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I get that Kimi is a very popular driver with a lot of fans and that he is still lightning quick over 1 lap (often less than a tenth off Seb) but this fact is atrocious:

Kimi has not made up a single place in the opening lap for 27 races

And it's not like he's been on pole in any of those races, either. The guy just mails it in on Sundays, scores half the points of his teammate, does it without complaining and goes home. And apparently Ferrari are ok with that. Year. After. Year.
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Old 06-11-2018, 02:57 PM   #456
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https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-happ...-th-1826727128

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But F1 race director Charlie Whiting said it was all due to a miscommunication with local officials, according to Autosport. Whiting said he thinks the official got confused by a television graphic logging lap 69 of 70, thinking it was showing laps completed instead of the lap drivers were on. The latter was true.

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"The chequered flag was shown a lap early because of a miscommunication with the guy that they call the starter here, who starts and finishes the races," said Whiting.

"He thought it was the last lap, he asked race control to confirm it, they confirmed it, but they thought he was making a statement when he was asking a question.

"He just showed it a lap early, or he told the flag waver to show it a lap early, so it wasn't anything to do with the fact that it was a celebrity flag waver."


Whiting said he thinks that's a common mistake outside of people who work regularly with F1, according to Autosport. He said F1 needs to do a better job of briefing the local people working the race, since the series is "dealing with a lot of human beings, different countries, [and] different languages."

Even when the checkered waved early and other marshals around the track were waving congratulatory flags for the winner, drivers seemed to not slow down because something was up. But there were a couple of close battles that could've been affected by the mishap, even if Vettel was in his own zip code for the win.

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You know things are messed up when even Canada is a poor race.

Unbelievable.

Saturday seemd like the race was going to be ok... 3 teams on the Q podium. That's pretty neat; but still NOBODY could make a move.

And frankly, the other races were only decent because there was safety car drama.
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I'm very glad this happened because it exposed a lot of bigots.

Completely random.

I missed the podium celebration music.

Finally discovered what it is!




as far as races go, I was still massively excited by it. If you follow strategies and live timing and then the intricacies of each driver and team races like that can be exciting. Did they end up being as exciting as they should be? NOPE. But the formula for it was all there.

HAM: PU issues
VES: just didn't have the long term pace
BOT: PU issues, slight mistake
RIC: just didn't have the pace
RAI: Iceman + Ferrari
VET: Forza!
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Old 06-18-2018, 08:45 PM   #459
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Never thought RedBull would do this:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/r...-deal-1046734/

Red Bull has decided to switch to Honda F1 engines next year, high level sources have revealed, with confirmation of the move likely ahead of this weekend's French Grand Prix.

Although the Milton Keynes-based team had been expected to wait until the Austrian GP to make its final call on the 2019 engine decision, indications now suggest that senior management has made its mind up.

Following close evaluation of the performance steps made by both car manufacturers over the Canadian GP weekend, and well aware that Renault could not guarantee it could keep its engine supply offer open, Red Bull is set on committing to Honda.

It is understood its decision was communicated to external parties late on Monday night.

Red Bull was unavailable for comment, and it is unclear when the move will be made official, but there are suggestions it could come before this weekend's race in Paul Ricard.

Motorsport.com understands that Red Bull has elected, after more than a decade with Renault that yielded all its world championships, to throw its focus in with Honda instead.

The move will come as a blow to Renault which had been hoping to keep Red Bull on board to act as a benchmark for its own works team.

Speaking at last weekend's Canadian GP, Renault F1 managing director Cyril Abiteboul said "I understand what they are looking to get.

"They are looking to the technical and commercial side, because it is clearly different remaining a customer and partner of Renault versus becoming a works team with Honda.

"It is very different and I appreciate that. But frankly, as far as I am concerned, they have a chance with us to become world champion again. I cannot say for Honda."

Honda has made impressive progress this year, though, following its split from McLaren at the end of last year.

An upgrade at the Canadian Grand Prix delivered a significant performance step, despite the dark cloud of Pierre Gasly needing a replacement engine following a problem in final practice.
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Never thought RedBull would do this:
Why not? They haven't had a good relationship with Renault since we got turbos back, and then with Toro Rosso having much better results than McLaren with Honda, the writing was on the wall for RB/Renault.
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Old 06-20-2018, 08:20 AM   #462
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Well I hope it works out for RedBull.
I would love to see the look on McLaren's face if RedBull are fighting up front in '19
Its already getting pretty bad in the McLaern's garage as some of the people want Whithmarsh back.
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Well I hope it works out for RedBull.
I would love to see the look on McLaren's face if RedBull are fighting up front in '19
Its already getting pretty bad in the McLaern's garage as some of the people want Whithmarsh back.
I wonder how much influence Fernando Alonso had in the decision to move on from the Honda engines. Especially given the rumors that he'll be leaving F1 at the end of this season to go full time in Indy to try and get that motorsports triple crown.
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Old 06-20-2018, 04:47 PM   #464
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Personally, I think he should leave. He's not going to get that 3rd WDC at McLaren or anywhere else. His only chance was them being a works team with Honda but that didn't develop so now he's making up the numbers in the midfield. His last podium was mid-2014 with Ferrari, which is a shame for a driver of his calibur, but he made his bed and can sleep in it. There's no future in F1 for him unless he wants to continue like this, which is rather pointless. There's no room at the top teams. His talent is better spent trying to chase the triple crown IMO.

I expect Norris to replace him and Vandoorne to stay on, although that's questionable.
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Old 06-20-2018, 07:58 PM   #465
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Do we know what Danny is doing yet? he's more desired than Fernando right now.

Once Daniel signs for 19 the silly season starts right? I'm pretty sure thats the consensus.
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McLaren has a $20mil/year offer for Riccardo.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsp...7decb4f756211c

DANIEL Ricciardo has repeatedly stressed his future will be decided by teams’ abilities to help him win a Formula 1 championship.
It’s why rival McLaren’s interest in the 28-year-old from Perth haven’t been treated all that seriously by Formula 1 commentators throughout the Red Bull star’s contract saga.

There have been consistent reports throughout this season that McLaren remain in the race to sign Ricciardo, who is a free agent off contract at Red Bull at the end of the 2018 season.

Now it appears clear why McLaren is in the hunt.

The former championship-winning outfit has reportedly blown Red Bull out of the water with its contract offer.

German publication Sports Bild reports Ricciardo has been offered a multi-year deal worth $20 million per year, making him one of the highest paid drivers on the Formula 1 grid.

With star driver Fernando Alonso considering walking away from Formula 1, Sport Bild claims McLaren has cash up its sleeve to trump Red Bull, Ferrari and Mercedes in the tug-of-war for Ricciardo’s signature.

Ricciardo is reportedly on a $6 million per-year salary at Red Bull and is paid more than $4 million less than teammate Max Verstappen since the Dutch driver signed his bumper new $10 million per-year deal at the end of 2017.

Red Bull are reportedly well short on McLaren’s offer.
Red Bull are reportedly well short on McLaren’s offer.
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Red Bull godfather Helmut Marko told the German publication Ricciardo’s offers from rival teams have continued to rise in recent weeks after he showed pure class in guiding his wounded Red Bull to victory at the Monaco Grand Prix.

“Our Daniel Ricciardo is the king of the market,” Marko told Sport Bild, according to Formula Passion.

“McLaren offers him more every week, but above all some people in Mercedes would absolutely want to join them in the team.”

Daniel Ricciardo wins Monaco Grand PrixDaniel Ricciardo wins Monaco Grand Prix0:28
Marko has previously declared Red Bull is the best place for Ricciardo, claiming the Australian would be treated as an equal with Red Bull teammate Verstappen in future years, but would have to play second fiddle to Lewis Hamilton and Sebastian Vettel if he moves to Mercedes or Ferrari.

“We want to keep him and Daniel knows it,” Marko said after Ricciardo’s Monaco masterclass.

“Why should he go to Mercedes or Ferrari? To be a No. 2 driver?

“With us, Daniel has equal opportunities with the same equipment and no team orders. I think he knows that too.”

Meanwhile, Sky Sports Formula 1 commentator Martin Brundle has declared Ricciardo is in a “strange situation” where none of the available seats for the 2019 season appear to suit his ambitions, despite being the hottest product on the F1 market.

Who would give $20 million the thumbs down.
Who would give $20 million the thumbs down.
Source: AFP
The 2019 driver market remains a big talking point in the paddock with Max Verstappen and Sebastian Vettel the only drivers in the leading three teams under contract for next season.

Brundle told Sky Sports.com Ricciardo finds himself in an “odd position” in negotiations over his future.

“Lewis will stay at Mercedes. They’re just arguing over whether he has the M&Ms without the green ones in them or something like that, the detail at the end of it.

“I think they’ll be comfortable keeping Bottas alongside him.

“It will be interesting to see what Ferrari do.

“Daniel finds himself in a very odd position. He is going so well but Vettel kind of owns the driving seats at Ferrari, Hamilton at Mercedes and, it seems, Verstappen at Red Bull. So despite his form he’s finding himself without a clear path.

“Will he be concerned about a Red Bull-Honda, if indeed they go that way? We’ll have to wait and see. But it’s strange times for Ricciardo.”
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Ricciardo would be an idiot if he would choose to drive for McLaren
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Yeah that'd be a terrible move.

IMO he's a top 3-4 driver. I don't understand why Red Bull doesn't seem to be fighting harder for him than Max.
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Thing keep getting stranger.
Looks like Kimi's out in '19:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...clerc-1047195/

Ferrari is ready to replace Kimi Raikkonen with rising star Charles Leclerc in its Formula 1 driver line-up for 2019, Motorsport.com has learned.
Raikkonen, who turns 39 in October, earned a one-year contract extension with the Italian team last year.

However, Ferrari president Sergio Marchionne said in December that the 2007 world champion needed more consistency and that "probably this [2018] is the last season to find the right key".

Raikkonen enjoyed a strong start to 2018, scoring three podiums in the first four races and performing much closer to Sebastian Vettel's level than in previous seasons.

However, he has finished off the podium in the previous two races in Monaco and Canada, while Vettel scored a second and a victory to take the championship lead.

Motorsport.com understands that Ferrari considered replacing Raikkonen with current Red Bull driver Daniel Ricciardo, who is out-of-contract at the end of 2018.

However, it decided that the cost of hiring the Australian would be too high when combined with Vettel's existing salary.

That left it with a choice between Raikkonen, who is still Ferrari's most recent world champion but is yet to win a race since rejoining the team in 2014, and Leclerc, who is contesting his rookie F1 season with Sauber.

His dip in form this season has coincided with Leclerc's maiden campaign sparking into life, with the 20-year-old scoring points in three of the last four races and comfortably establishing an advantage over his experienced Sauber teammate Marcus Ericsson.

A final decision has not been made but Ferrari is understood to be leaning towards promoting Leclerc to a race seat.

This would shift it away from its policy of signing established drivers and mean the team swaps a driver with 277 grands prix starts to date - 137 for Ferrari, the third-most of any driver and two fewer than Felipe Massa - for one who is preparing for only his eighth GP weekend in France.

Asked by Motorsport.com on Thursday in France, ahead of this week's race, about his position on extending his F1 career, Raikkonen said he was "not any different to one week, two weeks, a month ago".

Leclerc is a product of the Ferrari Driver Academy and won back-to-back titles in GP3 and Formula 2 under the guidance of the scheme.

He would be its first graduate to make it to a Ferrari race seat.

Leclerc said at the previous in Canada that when people talk about him as a future Ferrari driver "it only makes me smile, but on the other hand it doesn't feel realistic for now".

He added: "When it will be time to think about next year I will think about it, and hopefully we have an opportunity to take that seat."

Guess they're not getting into a bidding war for Riccardo.
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However, it decided that the cost of hiring the Australian would be too high when combined with Vettel's existing salary.
This is absolute BS.

Ferrari has the $. The question is....... would Ricci be "compatible" with the existing Vettel contract - translates to: is Ricci be willing to be #2
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Yeah that'd be a terrible move.

IMO he's a top 3-4 driver. I don't understand why Red Bull doesn't seem to be fighting harder for him than Max.
Because Ricciardo knows he's already No. 2 with Red Bull.

RB for sure would like to keep him... but under that ^ premise.

Thing is Ricciardo doesn't seem willing to accept that, and is OBVIOUSLY and publicly looking elsewhere to drive.

Ricciardo's choices are:

1. Mercedes - only IF Ham/Merc get a contract that is compatible with Ricci. If HAM wins a WDC for them... I doubt this would happen. But if he fails to deliver, pretty sure Merc would hold him to the fire.

2. Renault - it's a Works team. He already mentioned the appeal of having a team build around him. See all the points above..... he obviously does NOT have that with RB. And will not have it with Ferrari under Vettel's current contract.

3. Mclaren - if he takes ALO's spot and ALO goes to Red Bull, Merc or Renault.

So in conclusion....
Ferrari is LOCKED OUT for anyone not willing to be No. 2 until VET's contract is done.

Mercedes is currently locked out; but HAM contract needs renegotiating... and I have a feeling it's tied to the championship this season.

Renault and Mclaren are both looking for a No. 1 driver.
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Because Ricciardo knows he's already No. 2 with Red Bull.

RB for sure would like to keep him... but under that ^ premise.

Thing is Ricciardo doesn't seem willing to accept that, and is OBVIOUSLY and publicly looking elsewhere to drive.

Ricciardo's choices are:

1. Mercedes - only IF Ham/Merc get a contract that is compatible with Ricci. If HAM wins a WDC for them... I doubt this would happen. But if he fails to deliver, pretty sure Merc would hold him to the fire.

2. Renault - it's a Works team. He already mentioned the appeal of having a team build around him. See all the points above..... he obviously does NOT have that with RB. And will not have it with Ferrari under Vettel's current contract.

3. Mclaren - if he takes ALO's spot and ALO goes to Red Bull, Merc or Renault.

So in conclusion....
Ferrari is LOCKED OUT for anyone not willing to be No. 2 until VET's contract is done.

Mercedes is currently locked out; but HAM contract needs renegotiating... and I have a feeling it's tied to the championship this season.

Renault and Mclaren are both looking for a No. 1 driver.
rumor No 1: Hamilton quits at the end of this season, than would Ricciardo be the first choice for Mercedes (Helmut Marko has stated that Toto Wolff is seriously interested in Ricciardo)

ad 2: Renault isn´t willing to pay that much money for Ricciardo

ad 3: Lando Norris has a contract; if he´s winning GP2 he has to be provided with a drivers seat. Either Alonso quits F1, or Vandoorne is set back as a test driver. There is no place (and no money) for Ricciardo. And Ricciardo isn´t interested in a team with no real chance of winning a championship.

ad 4: if Leclerc still keeps delivering he will have the No 2 seat next to Vettel

Ricciardo will stay with RedBull, it´s a poker game about more money (he´s pissed because Verstappen earns so much more).
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rumor No 1: Hamilton quits at the end of this season, than would Ricciardo be the first choice for Mercedes (Helmut Marko has stated that Toto Wolff is seriously interested in Ricciardo)

ad 2: Renault isn´t willing to pay that much money for Ricciardo

ad 3: Lando Norris has a contract; if he´s winning GP2 he has to be provided with a drivers seat. Either Alonso quits F1, or Vandoorne is set back as a test driver. There is no place (and no money) for Ricciardo. And Ricciardo isn´t interested in a team with no real chance of winning a championship.

ad 4: if Leclerc still keeps delivering he will have the No 2 seat next to Vettel

Ricciardo will stay with RedBull, it´s a poker game about more money (he´s pissed because Verstappen earns so much more).
Ah yes HAM retiring is another possibility. Who knows.

But I really really doubt he stays at RB. He already knows if RB have a championship winning car... it will be Max winning the WDC. Webber knew this, and so he left.

So in my opinion.... Ric will either take the Mercedes seat if for some reason it becomes available; or take either Mclaren or Renault in hopes that at some point it'll come through for him.

Tough choice. Because RB has everything to be/remain at the top.

But staying at RB he will never be 1st. This is why Nico Rosberg retired. He won it, but it took tremendous effort as he had to beat the team AND his teammate. That's what Ricci refers to when he says Merc built the team around Lewis... and that's what he's experiencing now against Max (and Webber did against Vettel).
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Does anybody know when the last time Ferrari gave a driver a seat with only one year of F1 experience? It must of been at least 20 years. They always took drivers with at least 4 years of F1 experience in the past. Even Schuey had at least 4 years of F1 before going to Ferrari.
Goes to show you what the top teams think about the whats left of the driver class of '09-'13 (Perez,Hulk,Groj,Magn) with the exception of Riccardo of course.
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How long had Alesi been around before his Ferrari drive?
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