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Old 02-28-2007, 11:24 PM   #1
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Ok, I'm really going to try to post this right. First I searched for at least half an hour and didn't find any answer. Then I tried my hardest to find the right section....so now the question.

I have a guy offering me a EJ22T crank, rods and pistons for $150. I was thinking about doing a swap but this seems like it might be more cost effective.

I understand my deck will be open but is that a big deal?

Please tell me your opinions on my decision, I'd appreciate any help. Feel free to tell me he's ripping me off or if you have anything to sell.

I assume I'm also going to need the turbo, turbo cooling, exhaust manifold and up pipe and down pipe.....is that right?

THANKS SO MUCH - Jutboy
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Old 02-28-2007, 11:31 PM   #2
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I am making 300 whp with the open deck and the turbo pistons myself....
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Old 03-01-2007, 01:16 AM   #3
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Whao doug! You got 300whp!?

That with the Turbo Supercharged 2.2?! Where is the dyno graph, I wanna c!?
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Old 03-01-2007, 01:58 AM   #4
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Look how lean I was!

I have since replaced the 550s with 820s, and retuned it. Its easily over 300 whp at 22 psi.

This is a STOCK internal NA 2.2 open deck block with STOCK ej22t pistons and internals.
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:17 AM   #5
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dooooooooooood 150 bucks??? go for it !
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:36 AM   #6
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I also have the rotating assembly out of my 2.2turbo motor I'd like to get rid of. $150 seems like a fair price.

I have the heads as well.

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Old 03-01-2007, 02:39 AM   #7
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Yea, definitely. Not so sure you need the crank. Although my ej22t crank looks a lot nicer than a NA crank i used to have so there might be some advantages to it. The open deck is fine until you get into really high horsepower applications. go for it!
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Old 03-01-2007, 03:23 AM   #8
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like I said on USMB....the 22t and 22e cranks and rods are the same....


just get yourself a set of pistons, and start forcing some air on it!
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Old 03-01-2007, 02:34 PM   #9
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like I said on USMB....the 22t and 22e cranks and rods are the same....


just get yourself a set of pistons, and start forcing some air on it!
u sure about the rods? I don't see how subaru would put the same rods in a turbo engine with more HP....

but iether way, if they've got less Miles on em...
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Old 03-01-2007, 03:08 PM   #10
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u sure about the rods? I don't see how subaru would put the same rods in a turbo engine with more HP....

but iether way, if they've got less Miles on em...
90% sure....

either way, eagle rods aren't that pricey, and the stock ones aren't very good....if you've got the motor apart, throw in some eagles and call it a day.
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Old 03-01-2007, 03:41 PM   #11
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the ej22t rods have been disputed for a long time with no real concrete evidence to support either side. at least that ive seen. but Numbchux is right, if you have an extra 300 just chuck in the better rods bbbuuuutt on the other hand. if you dont want to make more then 300 hp then these internals will do fine. if it breaks down on ya then id say replace things with forged internals. otherwise you're good to go
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Old 03-01-2007, 03:41 PM   #12
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90% sure....

either way, eagle rods aren't that pricey, and the stock ones aren't very good....if you've got the motor apart, throw in some eagles and call it a day.
How about I bump that up to 100% sure. Just like Ej18 rods are identical to early Ej20G Sti rods (and cranks). It may not make sense to some people that Subaru used the same forged parts across the board, but that's what they did.

As for the original question? Just buy the pistons if you can. You don't need the other parts...
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Old 03-01-2007, 03:52 PM   #13
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Just for reference, I just checked my Legacy parts catalog and they are showing 12100 AA030 for the rods for both the NA and turbo EJ22 engines.

And it does actually show 2 different numbers for crankshafts. The NA one is 12200 AA040 and the turbo one is 12200 AA050. I once asked the owners of CCR about this and they told me that there was no discernable difference between them. I have seen it claimed on the intraweb that the turbo one is shotpeened, and thus the different pn, but I have never found a tech document that would back that up...
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Old 03-01-2007, 05:26 PM   #14
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^ good to know.... so at least get the turbo crank
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Old 03-01-2007, 05:57 PM   #15
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I can think of 2 different local guys using 22e cranks in 22t blocks shooting for much more than 300whp.

the 22e crank is definitely forged, and the same dimensions.
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Thanks for the input guys - I think I may go for it......the only that worries me is my auto tranny.....I hear the turbo version should bolt up easy enough but I'm not sure if I want to spend all the cash....I'm going to rebuild the engine no matter what and I was thinking, while I'm at it I might as well do some performance upgrades.
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if you upgrade the valve body and torque converter then you should be alright with the auto. It all depends on how much power you are shooting for.
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Old 03-02-2007, 05:42 PM   #18
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I'm looking at just getting the pistons ~$50,the exaust manifold~50, the up-pipe~25, the crossmember~125, the turbo~75

The total there is about $325......that should be easily enough....besides some tubing thats all I need, right?

So, I'm still unsure if I need the Turbo version of my tranny....and how this will fit in my car.....I've done engine work but not any tranny work and didn't want to make this a huge project.
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Old 03-02-2007, 05:44 PM   #19
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Also red-devil, I'm so glad your around.....you and Numbchux are probably going to be the reason I'm doing this project. Can you PM me your instant messanger info or email address....or some way to contact you - I'd love to be able to chat .

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!
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Old 03-02-2007, 05:48 PM   #20
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oh yea, and as for transmissions, a lot of them are the same trannies in different cars. I'm not so sure about the automatics tho. They will all fit into your car tho. No worries.
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I think you posted Tonzo when I was typing.....how hard is it to upgrade the valve body and torque converter?...also how much about?.....my tranny has 120,000 on it and I probably it's about time to open it up and make sure everything ok......not that I know anything about it but my friends do.
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The auto trannies (even on the NA cars) are stronger than the manual transmissions. I wouldn't worry about anything on the tranny other than maybe a fresh torque converter. They are known to fail around 125-150k mi.

And in case I wasn't clear above, I wouldn't spend a cent on the Ej22T crank. The Ej22e unit is forged and good for plenty of power...
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Old 03-02-2007, 06:31 PM   #23
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^ auto good for more power you say? how much more?
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Old 03-02-2007, 06:43 PM   #24
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My homemade EJ22t "was" pushing 24-25 psi today. But the pressure plate couldnt handle the torque, so i have turned the boost down for now.
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The my auto would be able to handle the turbo fine?

This seems a bit hard to believe though I really, really want to.
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