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05-06-2013, 10:17 AM | #1 | |
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BMW says current M3 sold out, no new AWD M models planned
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05-08-2013, 02:25 PM | #2 | |
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Comparatively speaking, it's easy to swap over suspensions, a diff, etc. than to swap an engine. One reason why IMHO, it's hard to justify a 1M vs. a 135i (well, at least at used-car prices). Now all BMW is doing is turning up the boost on the "regular" engines. Yet, that's not reflected in the price. Before you were paying for a special engine. "**** you Switzerland" |
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05-08-2013, 06:43 PM | #4 |
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No more M3s...
Because the next one will be called M4, since the coupes are now even numbers. The next M3 will be a 4-door car, likely after the M4 debuts. Lets hope they don't have 310hp 3-cylinder engines. |
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Good riddance. While good on paper the current M3's V8 engine was nothing to write home about, nor the car overall (porker).
The M5, however, both previous and current, are something, each in its own way.... Last edited by unclemat; 05-08-2013 at 09:50 PM. |
05-08-2013, 07:56 PM | #6 | |
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No, "no more M3's" refers to the fact that you can't get the current V8 M3 anymore, 2 door or 4 door. It has nothing to do with the new M3/M4 and their name changes. |
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05-08-2013, 08:02 PM | #7 | |
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As someone said best it's "the best 7 series BMW has ever made". Hugely heavy, crappy handling, crappy steering. Everything a BMW shouldn't be. Yes, it's fast. That's it. That car has been beat up in the media since its release. The enthusiast community considers it a bad, bad sign of things to come. While the E90/92/93 M3 is overweight, too large, and has lost much of its edge, again, the exact same thing (even moreso) can be said for the new M5. The new M5 is what has people worrying about the new M3. That they're going to **** up yet another car. Ugg...that really grinds my gears. How could you even say that? The new M5 is a horrible, horrible excuse for the "ultimate driving machine". It's a ****ing barge. |
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05-08-2013, 08:10 PM | #8 |
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Let's not exaggerate. While I'd agree E60 M5 > F10 M5 (myself I'd pick E60 - if I were to be in position to make such a choice), F10 M5 is an still impressive package. Yeah, it's best 7 series BMW made. You don't expect car of that size to be nimble and toss-able, right?
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05-08-2013, 08:20 PM | #9 |
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I can't wait for the next M3 and the move back to an I6...should have stayed that way...leave the V8s or preferably, high strung V10s to the M5.
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05-08-2013, 08:24 PM | #10 | |
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Get out. And this is coming from someone who has an S54, and is buying an N54. The M3 is a better car with a screaming N/A engine. That's what it's about. That's what raises hairs on the back of your neck. BMW is famous for its buttery smooth, linear, snappy throttle N/A engines. While their turob power plants are good, and more potent, they don't feel like the BMW I6s that made the name. Last edited by SoapBox; 05-08-2013 at 08:47 PM. |
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I don't find anything about it impressive. They made it larger and heavier. They ruined its steering. They put a massive engine in it, and sticky tires. None of that is impressive. It's not a drivers car anymore. Dynamically speaking, it's a noticeable step backwards compared to the E60. What is impressive about that?
That's what BMW was good at; keeping cars, even their bigger ones, feeling nimble, feeling sportier than the competition. That is no longer the case. Congrats BMW, you built an AMG, and an inferior one at that. How is that impressive? The new 3 series follows suit. Have you seen the reviews? Or driven one? BMW is taking everything that made them distinct, and leaving it behind. Other cars are out BMWing BMW. Last edited by SoapBox; 05-08-2013 at 08:43 PM. |
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High revving NA V8 > anything boosted.
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05-08-2013, 10:19 PM | #13 |
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The new M5 is way better than the old V10. All the reviews claim it's is more proper M car than the previous version.
The previous version was criticized with no torque, crappy gearbox, and average handling. Also that era of M5s were ugly. While I will miss the N/A on the next M3, but gotta say the only real M3 is the e30. |
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Don't get me wrong, again, it's a hugely capable car, numbers wise. But that is NOT what Ms ahve been about. They were always underpowered compared to the AMGs, etc. But no one cared, because they drove better. That's what BMW did, a great chassis, great steering, and a slick if not overly-powerful engine. Again, they've CLEARLY lost that edge, replacing those attributes with more HP, more isolation, and more electronics. How on earth you can say that's "more of an M car" is beyond ridiculous. Last edited by SoapBox; 05-09-2013 at 10:01 AM. |
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Psh.. S14 2.0L 4 cylinder... still better than even the I6s.
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Refinement is going to be expected in more modern cars, just like e60 compared to it's previous model e39. e60 was huge and numb compared to the e39, and it's not available with a proper manual, something they brought back. I think the F10 is a better e39 successor than the e60. and what an ugly car it was. |
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A more numb driving experience is not refinement. They indicate, in fact, that several of its other competitors (Porsche GTS, CTSV, etc.) offer better driving experiences, and not at the expense of refinement.
You're, of course, entitled to your opinion. But I just can't fathom how you can considers a larger, more isolated, more numb M5 "more of an M car". Again, that's EXACTLY the opposite of what made M cars different. Perhaps you'd give up some power for a better driving experience. BMW did the opposite. It's the same **** they did with the new 3. The same bad reviews are coming in for that car now too. It's a change in philosophy at BMW. That's fine, they'll sell more cars. But not everyone has to like it. BMWs aren't special driver's cars anymore. There are alternatives that drive better. Which is sad to say. That is what made then special, and loved by people who love driving. You ever hear that V10, with an open exhaust, at full chant? That's the thing dreams are made of. Who dreams about this new M5? And why? Artificial engine sounds pumped into the speakers? ****ty chassis/steering feel? Wow, thanks a pantload chet. Again, it's fast, huge, isolated and soft. Those are not really M car traits. Why didn't they just call it a 560? Last edited by SoapBox; 05-09-2013 at 11:14 AM. |
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I'm with SoapBox on this one here.
Unfortunately a lot of external factors are driving companies like BMW to change; and IMO, change for the worse. I was especially sad to see the M3 is stepping down displacement and replacing it with boost. I think a lot of things like MPGs and environmental requirements are driving this, but I've always thought the M lineup should be held to a higher standard. Oh well. |
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Not worried about the turbos. BMW does have a long history of making great turbo cars (2002tii, F1 cars in the 80s).
Am worried about the car getting bigger and more isolated. |
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They were more "focused" because the were raw because the technology and car design was not as mature. In 5 years, people will argue about how focused the F10 is compared to F20 (or whatever). I remember when the e60 was criticized as diluted, large, heavy, and isolated compared to the e39. It always happens. Besides, the M5 is not a real M "Motorsport" car. Only real M cars in my opinion and I'm sure many BMW enthusiasts are the e30 M3, M1, M3 GT3, and some other homologation cars which I don't know. |
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