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Old 09-20-2017, 11:30 AM   #301
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Ah well sure, but I have all but given up on that.

Safety 'features' and autonomous driving are the final nail in the coffin for manuals. Get a classic if you want fun.
I feel the same way, however, if I'm going toaster, I'm going full on toaster - I want an EV that drives itself so I can nap or something.
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Old 09-20-2017, 11:48 AM   #302
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LOLOL...I admire your ability to adapt sir!
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Old 09-20-2017, 12:10 PM   #303
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It's not manual......

Love the looks, but the automatic kills the car for me.
The auto in the Giuila made me wish I didnt have a manual car. The way it shifts so damn fast and blip shifts too... even holds the gears regardless! ****ing awesome.
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Old 09-20-2017, 12:51 PM   #304
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Ah well sure, but I have all but given up on that.

Safety 'features' and autonomous driving are the final nail in the coffin for manuals. Get a classic if you want fun.
I agreed, that is the unfortunate truth about the future. Frankly, I don't even mind the XV Hybrid's CVT, but I have the option of driving my 6MT STI.

We have a Tesla Model 3 on order, so I'm not fearing the future entirely.

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The auto in the Giuila made me wish I didnt have a manual car. The way it shifts so damn fast and blip shifts too... even holds the gears regardless! ****ing awesome.
I'll have to try it. I love the overall look. My Italian side makes me want one in the stable.
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Old 09-20-2017, 01:08 PM   #305
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LOLOL...I admire your ability to adapt sir!
I don't know if it's adaptation, or acceptance, but I appreciate the sentiment all the same - I remember many moons ago when people wouldn't accept hydraulic power steering, fuel injection, abs, traction control etc. Granted, I prefer an honest driving experience whenever I can get it, but I've mellowed and I've made my peace with many mandatory safety features, although not all of them; I don't want (to deal with) the in-between "half pregnant" crap, I know it's coming, I've accepted is coming, so I'll deal with it when I have to.

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The auto in the Giuila made me wish I didnt have a manual car. The way it shifts so damn fast and blip shifts too... even holds the gears regardless! ****ing awesome.
Before this turns into an Auto Vs. Manual thread (again):
I've driven modern autos, I've driven modern FCA autos, I know they can out shift me, I know they will make my 0-60 & 1/4 mile times quicker than the same car with a manual, I know that having a 8/9/10 spd auto can be more fuel efficient; however, I don't live in a city or deal with stop and go traffic daily, nor am I looking for a dedicated strip car - for me (and many others) shifting gears is part of driving and we prefer to do it ourselves; the only car I'll buy that doesn't have a manual is an EV since the ones on the market are one speed/direct drive anyways (and future EVs will be as well). As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather throw parts at what I've got until someone makes something I'm willing to spend money on, rather than spend my money on something new just to have something new.
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Old 09-20-2017, 02:46 PM   #306
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See to me, this is that something Im willing to spend the money on. Those legit magnesium padels, the blip shifts, the transmission that does what I want with zero hesitation... Thats what I was looking for last year in a $40k car and there wasnt a car I found I wanted that I could do that, now there is.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:13 PM   #307
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See to me, this is that something Im willing to spend the money on. Those legit magnesium padels, the blip shifts, the transmission that does what I want with zero hesitation... Thats what I was looking for last year in a $40k car and there wasnt a car I found I wanted that I could do that, now there is.
different strokes; if it had a manual trans at 40k it would merit a look, test drive, and possibly a purchase; it's a beautiful car, reliability aside, it's a beautiful car.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:27 PM   #308
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different strokes; if it had a manual trans at 40k it would merit a look, test drive, and possibly a purchase; it's a beautiful car, reliability aside, it's a beautiful car.
You can knock $6k to $8k off right now so the $40k is do-able and they want $10k and more over sticker for Civic R types.
I paid $42,500 for a loaded Q4, TI< sport 19" Pkg with sport suspension $50k sticker.
I like it and unique look and Euro driving car. pretty quick for a 4 banger but would have liked stick over paddle shift.
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Old 09-20-2017, 04:21 PM   #309
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You can knock $6k to $8k off right now so the $40k is do-able and they want $10k and more over sticker for Civic R types.
I paid $42,500 for a loaded Q4, TI< sport 19" Pkg with sport suspension $50k sticker.
I like it and unique look and Euro driving car. pretty quick for a 4 banger but would have liked stick over paddle shift.
I don't understand why you brought up the Civic type ADM unless you are just looking at stickers?

A more apt comparison would be the STi, where it's not a limited production run car; even the Focus ADM is a bad comparison due to limited production; on top of that though, in order for the FoRS or CTR to be compared they would have to wear different badges, mainly Lincoln & Acura respectively.

However the Infiniti Q50, BMW 330i, Cadillac ATS, Audi A4 & Mercedes C class seem to be the Giulia's real competition
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See to me, this is that something Im willing to spend the money on. Those legit magnesium padels, the blip shifts, the transmission that does what I want with zero hesitation... Thats what I was looking for last year in a $40k car and there wasnt a car I found I wanted that I could do that, now there is.
Add to that, the ZF 8 will likely be the most reliable part of the car.
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Old 09-20-2017, 06:41 PM   #311
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I don't understand why you brought up the Civic type ADM unless you are just looking at stickers?

A more apt comparison would be the STi, where it's not a limited production run car; even the Focus ADM is a bad comparison due to limited production; on top of that though, in order for the FoRS or CTR to be compared they would have to wear different badges, mainly Lincoln & Acura respectively.

However the Infiniti Q50, BMW 330i, Cadillac ATS, Audi A4 & Mercedes C class seem to be the Giulia's real competition
you really cant say an sti either since its manual only

limited wrx cvt vs awd giulia both have 2.0 engines and autos
lookin at 33700 msrp for the wrx vs 37-38k after discounts for the giulia with at least one major optioned package

Would prospective wrx auto owners potentially pony up the extra 4 grand for giuglia?

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you really cant say an sti either since its manual only

limited wrx cvt vs awd giulia both have 2.0 engines and autos
lookin at 33700 msrp for the wrx vs 37-38k after discounts for the giulia with at least one major optioned package

Would prospective wrx auto owners potentially pony up the extra 4 grand for giuglia?
I said the STi would be a more apt comparison than the CTR; I then went on to note the Giulia's actual competition (Luxury brands). Whether the guy/gal looking at a CVT WRX would cross-shop a Giulia is beyond me, as I would never look at a CVT WRX.

I'll try to make my point simple and clear - Giulia competition wears a luxury brand badge.
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Guilia Interior <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< *inhale <<<<<<<<<<<<< WRX.

The WRX interior is "durable" for the sporty types. Lots of easy to clean (for vape smoke, etc...) surfaces. The guilia interior, touch, feel, everything just cannot compare to ANY Subaru, including LL Bean Editions.

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