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12-19-2012, 06:23 PM | #51 |
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You know what... whatever floats your boat. My argument was about the engineering, the counter-arguments seem to be about MotorTrend magazine racing or personal opinions of the performance. Can't argue personal opinions. I'll just leave these quotes here (opinions from others) if that's what we want to argue:
The LFA Nurburgring Package is the only car ever to have lapped Nurburgring in less than 7:20 without racing compound super-slick competition tires such as Michelin Pilot Cup tires or Pirelli P Zero Corsa tires (from Wikipedia) Top Gear had also hailed the LFA as the "greatest high-performance supercar ever from Japan." Clarkson sums up his experience in the LFA by saying "I have to say I absolutely love it." The magazine (Motor Trend) wrote, "In fact, the LFA hits 100 mph four-tenths faster than the GT-R -- and just keeps going. As both flash past the quarter-mile marker, the LFA never looks back". The magazine also found the LFA to be superior in dynamic handling. Edmunds' Insideline managed to acquire a LFA from Lexus for one week and tested the LFA against the Porsche GT2 RS on the track including an impromptu grudge match on the drag strip. Both cars won 2 races each making it a draw. Evo UK called LFA a "very very special car" and praised the engine as "extraordinarily stunning V10 that is only comparable to the V10 in Porsche Carrera GT". Chris Harris also noted "there is nothing else out there that has ever felt this special since the Macca F1". (vs 10 Best cars) Evo said, "Both cars feel sensational, but it's the Lexus that displays greater body motion control, traction and progressive on-limit breakaway, never once grazing the road with its belly despite countless pre-emptive grimaces from Green and myself. The Ferrari is the wilder ride, uttering the odd skrrrsh from a few bits of sacrificial plastic and breakaway traction, but it is still grin inducing fun". In the end they awarded the win to Lexus LFA. (vs. 599 GTO) "[The LFA] zings between hairpins and then peels cleanly into them, front end assured, but never artificially pointy and the rear noticeably wants to edge just a few degreess wide as the V10 feeds the rear tires with its buzzsaw power". In the end in terms of sheer driving enjoyment, the editors were clear that Lexus LFA was the more enjoyable car of the two" (vs. the Aventador) Their comments on LFA were "The Lexus feels more athletic than the Ferrari, and its performance is more accessible, more immediately. The engine is remarkable. Austin noted: "They***8201; figured out the engine. It's really strong, and then you hit about 6500 rpm and your eyes get all big as the power hits another level." The only street-car engine that matches this one for smoothness, ecstatic noise, and power delivery is the 458 Italia's". The conclusion of Car and Driver was "if Lexus puts this much passion in every one of its cars, it will simply be unbeatable." (Car & Driver, vs. the 599 GTB w/ Track Package)
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it is a beautiful car with an amazing engine sound. way too expensive though.
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12-19-2012, 09:25 PM | #53 |
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It's a freaking Toyota!!! If you want a real performance car you need to get a comaro.
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2445581 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=m5_AKjDdqaU Nurburgring version slower than extinct Viper. I guess it is like the NSX, enjoyable to drive at a slower pace than everyone else. |
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12-20-2012, 12:20 AM | #56 |
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Haha, lulz. You taking this personally? It's ok if you don't like it - you don't have to prove it to anyone but yourself.
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12-20-2012, 12:47 AM | #57 |
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I guess some people are just looking for a car to measure their dick with.
I'd buy an LFA if I was uber rich and just look at all the little details with a sick obsession. It's like buying a fine watch more than a car. I'm such a sucker for mechanical things. |
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Awesome car, awesome engineering which will hopefully lead to even cheaper composite cars in the future. |
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Lexus didn't seem to have a problem selling every LF-A they produced. Seems like their marketing plan of creating a niche market car worked very well.
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It's not very hard to sell 500 cars.
The LFA doesn't do one thing better than any of it's competition (more or less expensive). But the marketing for the LFA hypes up every aspect of it, to an illogical level (consistent with H2/H3 marketing). But if someone is looking for a $400k car and wants the engine in front, but not a ferrari, only goes to C&C events, talk about the rarity of the specific car (color, options, etc), and wants to get an IS/toyota when in for service, it's a good buy. MP4-12C costs more than LFA???? |
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Well they planned to make 500 and they sold them. Job done. Was the car a success? Only time will tell if it had an impact large enough to make a bow wave in the market.
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They're not of the same construction. Yes, they both have a carbon central tub with aluminum f/r subframes. However, the LFAs is a full carbon cage (pillars, roof, etc.) The McLarens is just a lower tub... a single piece, press-formed unit. And the LFA's body is also carbon, vs. aluminum and plastic on the McLaren.
Think of it as an SLR vs. an MP4. Beyond that, design on the LFA started in 2000, 8 years before the McLaren. I think the Mc. is also a revolutionary car too, and I think you'll find others will follow suit with its construction. But it's a much cheap car to build than the LFA. If they would have been released teh LFA on-time, it would be clear techno-alternative to the CGT and costs MUCH less. Anyway, leaving aside the McLaren doesn't exactly use the same construction, I'll restate: At its introduction, it was (by far) the cheapest car of its kind ever made. See: Enzo, CGT, SLR, etc. Last edited by REX8; 12-20-2012 at 01:31 PM. |
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That's not necessarily the case, and with the LFA, they all were accounted for within a short length of time, which doesn't always happen with hypercars. Remember that the McLaren F1 was originally supposed to have a production run of 300, but they cut it down to 100 when McLaren figured that they wouldn't be able to move that many units. Even the "extended" Enzo run (which ended up being 399, up from the original 349 planned, which matched the F50's run) still had some unsold units well into its production run, albeit not a lot. I remember a story about a Porsche Carrera GT owner in my area (Irvine, CA at the time) supposedly having it while having purchased an Enzo within the same week as its replacement. Similarly, remember that James Glickenhaus' P4/5 started out as the last unsold, unregistered Ferrari Enzo that he picked up in 2005 before having Pinninfarina work their magic on it.
They don't have the "same" construction, as REX8 said. The MP4-12C just had a carbon fiber tub with the rest of its frame being metal, which helped reduce its production costs while reducing the duration of time to complete one. |
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All this hoopla about special looms, lasers and CF pillars...and the curb weight of the final product is still closer to that of a steel-bodied BMW M6 than it is to that of the McLaren MP4. |
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Point was, I think, that you can't call it overly expensive, unless you compare apples to apples. McLaren's attempted at similar construction yielded a $500,000 SLR. Porsche's? Almost the same. As it's been said...hardly any halo exotic is worth the $$$ from a performance/$$$ standpoint. So if you're going to bitch about the LFA in that regard, then the line forms to the right. Behind some other cars that no one seems to complain about for some reason. P.S. LFA: 3,263-3,483 lb MP: 3155 lbs So I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from. |
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I can't believe someone pointed out "it's just a Toyota", like its a overpriced Camry and that Toyota (one of the largest car manufacturers) cannot engineer a super car.
Engineering is engineering, I think any manufacturer can produce excellent super cars and the LFA is definitely a super car with exquisite engineering behind it. It's just not the priority of the manufacturer or where the funding is allocated. |
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Does the McLaren have an equally equipped interior? Is it as DDable?
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