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Old 06-24-2008, 08:41 PM   #1
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Interesting stuff...some are going to piss off some people...some are going to make others happy..

JULY Fastrack SOLO

My Favorite.....so hopefully Lee's Vendeta is OVER at least for now..

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-The SPAC is not at this time recommending any changes with regard to the SP classification of the Mitsubishi Evolution and Subaru WRX STI. It is the committee’s position that other recommended changes will help competitiveness for some of the other existing cars in BSP.
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Old 06-24-2008, 08:43 PM   #2
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Minor changes in STS
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:44 PM   #3
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Major changes in DS and others. It's very important that some letters are written.
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Old 06-24-2008, 09:53 PM   #4
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BSP STi's watch out for those wicked fast Solstice GXP's. They might be competitive. Although it looses it's oem-coilover advantage in BSP cause all cars run aftermarket coilovers.
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Old 06-25-2008, 08:37 AM   #5
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Major changes in DS and others. It's very important that some letters are written.
Wow...your right Karen....some of it looks decent...other things in there for DS not so much....Biggest ...Integra Type R to BS.. wow...quite a upgrade there...RX8 or Type R...interesting..
Chike....How do you feel about that..????



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Old 06-25-2008, 08:53 AM   #6
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Biggest ...Integra Type R to BS.. wow...quite a upgrade there...RX8 or Type R...interesting..
Chike....How do you feel about that..????

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I know the car will be crushed in BS. The SEB is making an effort to obsolete the car from the Solo stock classes.
I guess if no new car is able to beat it, just throw it under the bus to get rid of it once and for all...
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Old 06-25-2008, 09:15 AM   #7
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I'm excited about the propsals for street prepared. I've long thought that brake upgrades in SP fell far behind of the allowed modifications in other aspects of a car. And those upgrades fit perfectly in the realm of "common street upgrades" that street prepared was supposed to encompass.

Also, regarding the seat ruling, this will likely cause continued argument just because of another rule change so soon after the last one, but I think this ruling does better effect the statement they wanted to make with the first rule change, without slighting the people at the who would have had trouble safely complying with the new rules. I especially like that the safety aspects of it refer out to the general vehicle safety guidelines in 3.3.3.B.2 as well, since safety guidelines for mounting seats really should be a global thing and not class specific.
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:36 AM   #8
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I know the car will be crushed in BS. The SEB is making an effort to obsolete the car from the Solo stock classes.
I guess if no new car is able to beat it, just throw it under the bus to get rid of it once and for all...
While I'm sooo nooob, I can't make any intelligent comments, the internet allows all packets, intelligent or not, so here goes:

The top DS ITR time at DC Pro Solo would have won BS, if I read the results right.

I am confused by the underlying strategy on moving some of the DS cars to GS, moving one uber-dog to BS and leaving a few in DS. I guess that the FWD/LSD cars go to GS but what's the bigger picture here? Are the remaining DS cars going someplace else, later (like 2009?) The posts on SCCAForums.com seem to imply that this fasttrack is just one of two shoes that will drop this year but that the SEB needed to get this in for comment before the deadline, with more to follw after nationals (?)

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Old 06-25-2008, 12:44 PM   #9
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The top DS ITR time at DC Pro Solo would have won BS, if I read the results right.
While that's true, if the Porsche 968 times were not DQ'd, the top DS car would have finished 2nd. However, this year's DC Pro is not a good example as BS was really slow for some reason???

Take a look at last year's results from Solo Nats (not the best comparison as the classes didn't run in the heat), the top DS car (Borowski) would have finished 12th in BS.

http://www.scca.com/documents/result...ts%2011.14.pdf

If we look at last year's Pro Finale, the top DS car (alltracin's WRX) would have finished dead last in BS. Top ITR (driven by former Pro Solo champ Kinch) would have been even further off the pace.

http://www.scca.com/documents/result...-%20ResPr1.pdf
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Old 06-25-2008, 01:15 PM   #10
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:56 PM   #11
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SP proposal allowing two piece rotors (w/ limitations) is a good stroke
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Old 06-25-2008, 11:44 PM   #12
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Unfortunately, Jay doesn't have the budget for custom rotors......oh well. At least I can swap to rear discs without worrying about adding ABS crap. Not that I would want the exrta weight or anything. Maybe the DSP car will get new 2pc rotors next year.....

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Old 06-26-2008, 02:58 PM   #13
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What were you hoping for? A ban on EF Civics?


The GS/DS shake up actually looks pretty good except I can't figure out why the DSMs get moved. Shouldn't they stay in DS with the other middle power AWD cars (WRX, R32, TT)?
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Old 06-26-2008, 03:12 PM   #14
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I was wondering about the DSMs too. I guess I've never seen one competing in stock and rarely have even seen a stock one on the street, so maybe they just have fatal flaws that really make them bad stock-class competitors. I guess I just don't know much about them to comment, but I did think it looked odd to see them moved.
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Old 06-26-2008, 03:35 PM   #15
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I was wondering about the DSMs too. I guess I've never seen one competing in stock and rarely have even seen a stock one on the street, so maybe they just have fatal flaws that really make them bad stock-class competitors. I guess I just don't know much about them to comment, but I did think it looked odd to see them moved.
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The turbo DSM's were available in both a fwd and awd configuration, so maybe they didn't want to split them up and decided to move them together to GS.

The WRX and R32 are only available in awd. However, the Audi TT is available in both front and awd, but maybe the Audi TT finishing 2nd at last year's Solo Nats made the SEB think both configs of the car could compete in the new DS class.
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Old 06-26-2008, 03:46 PM   #16
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nice, the idea of rally machines in asp was and still is ridiculous to me. "I wanna build an asp car should I get a 3400lb 2L sedan, a porsche gt2, or a c6zo6"
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Old 06-26-2008, 05:40 PM   #17
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... maybe the Audi TT finishing 2nd at last year's Solo Nats made the SEB think both configs of the car could compete in the new DS class.
The Audi TT is proposed to be moved to GS too (at least the FWD one is).
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The Audi TT is proposed to be moved to GS too (at least the FWD one is).
Gotcha. I guess this re-org is starting to make *some* sense. What are your thoughts on this Karen? I have no dog in this fight, but as I previously ran in the class, I do want to write a letter.
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Old 06-26-2008, 10:13 PM   #19
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The turbo DSM's were available in both a fwd and awd configuration, so maybe they didn't want to split them up and decided to move them together to GS.

The WRX and R32 are only available in awd. However, the Audi TT is available in both front and awd, but maybe the Audi TT finishing 2nd at last year's Solo Nats made the SEB think both configs of the car could compete in the new DS class.
Sam Krauss did well at the DC pro in his DSM, his final times were within 0.5s of the winner.

Since the 2008 PAX for GS is only slightly higher than DS, maybe the idea is that some of the trophy capable DS cars should still be competitive in GS so the SEB can move some faster cars into DS?
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Sam Krauss did well at the DC pro in his DSM, his final times were within 0.5s of the winner.

Since the 2008 PAX for GS is only slightly higher than DS, maybe the idea is that some of the trophy capable DS cars should still be competitive in GS so the SEB can move some faster cars into DS?
PAX and ProSolos have no bearing in "regular" Solo classification. I don't want to be brutal about it, but that's the way it is.

Chike, my thoughts are that the 135 or the 335 are misclassed. One or the other. The 135 is the faster car by all accounts, yet it's in DS while its kissing cousin is in FS.

The reclassification of the DS cars is wrong. Flat out wrong. All of those cars are capable in DS, and if one gets moved to GS, they should all be moved to GS, including the ITR, the WRX, the R32, the 330, etc. But since not all of them are proposed to be moved to GS, not all of them can go. Therefore, they should all stay.

This is supposedly a separate proposal from the 2010 reorganization anyway, so what's the point of shuffling cars around?

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Old 06-27-2008, 08:27 AM   #21
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This is supposedly a separate proposal from the 2010 reorganization anyway,
What's the 2010 re-org??
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:23 PM   #22
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It's a big secret currently located in a glowing locked case that circles overhead in a black helicopter. Don't try to look at it, or you'll die like in Indiana Jones.
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:31 PM   #23
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It's like a giant wormhole is opening up in the world of SCCA stock class, and we'll find ourselves back in 2001 before we know it.

Funny how the re-org for 2002 created a new DS for fast tuner cars, and left GS for the typical sporty coupes/sedans. Year by year, many of the mid-pack DS cars get thrown down into GS, including the Mini S, Spec V etc. And now...just about all of DS is getting kicked down to GS with the exception of a few "new" DS cars.

The "new" GS is going be a home for most of the hot tuner cars. Kinda like what DS was originally intended for. And DS will be the home for mis-classed BS cars, and super rare world dominators like the MSP

Round and Round it goes.

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While that's true, if the Porsche 968 times were not DQ'd, the top DS car would have finished 2nd. However, this year's DC Pro is not a good example as BS was really slow for some reason???
Jason Iasley and Bryan Heikotter live on the other coast, haha.
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