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Old 06-02-2011, 05:33 PM   #176
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+1. I'm too stupid for TOR, but I find this interesting.
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Old 06-02-2011, 05:40 PM   #177
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I've been running the bitcoin client since this thread was started, and I've got a whopping balance of 0.00... so disappointed.
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Old 06-02-2011, 05:43 PM   #178
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Screen shot and post the picture. I'm curious.
so it has seller/buyer feedback, escrow accounts, PGP encryption for the PMs and the 'orders' disappear once placed.

the 'items' page always has the current FX rate in the lower left corner

the way I gather this works is you pay cash for a gift card visa, then deposit that to a 3rd party that works with one of their partners to convert the cash to bitcoins then place an order - when the order arrives you complete the transaction and the seller gets the bitcoins

it seems way skewed to the buyer - I wonder what kind of fraud protection there is for sellers

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Connecting to the site
If you are reading this now, you have at least figured out how to access a tor hidden service, good job You have either installed tor and configured your browser to use it, or you are using a proxy such as tor2web. We strongly encourage you to connect to the hidden service directly rather than going through a proxy as it is much more secure and anonymous. The Tor Browser Bundle is available for all major platforms and can be found here.

Getting bitcoins
The most secure way to get bitcoins is by selling something for them here on Silk Road. Your account has a built-in eWallet for Bitcoins, so you can buy and sell here without ever having to worry about third-party services at all. When you sell something, your account is credited, and when you buy something, it is debited.

If you don't have anything to sell here, don't worry, you can get Bitcoins in many other ways. Click here for a list of reputable exchangers that will take many different forms of payment for Bitcoins. When they ask for your receiving address, give them the Bitcoin address from your "account" page that looks something like this:

1MSTLZzz8gDBwpcCvGcAtYsADBTCa73qdc

As soon as your new Bitcoins are sent, they will appear in your account. It is a good practice to click "get new address" before every new deposit so your deposits can't be linked to one another.

Shopping cart
The first step to placing an order is selecting the items you want to purchase by adding them to your shopping cart. Once your cart is ready, you must enter the address you would like your items sent to. This is the one point in the process where some kind of personal information is revealed. We take this very seriously and have taken every precaution to protect it.

Receiving address
From the moment you submit your order, to the moment it is displayed to your vendor, the information is fully encrypted and totally unreadable. Then, as soon as your vendor marks your package with the address and confirms shipment, the address is deleted forever and is unretreavable. For the extra cautious, you can encrypt your information yourself with your vendor's public key so that even we at Silk Road would be unable to view it, even if we wanted to. See below for more ways to be safe.

Payment
If you have enough funds in your account to cover your purchase, then your order will be validated instantly and sent on to your vendors. If not, then you must deposit enough Bitcoins into your account to cover your total. Remeber, always generate a new address when sending funds.

You will be notified as soon as your order ships. Now just kick back and wait for it to arrive. Once it does, don't forget to confirm delivery and leave feedback

Receiving packages

Use a different, unrelated address than the one where your item will be kept such as a friends house or P.O. box. Once the item arrives, transport it discretely to its final destination. Avoid abandoned buildings or any place where it would be suspicious to have mail delivered.
Do not sign for your package. If you are expecting a package from us, do not answer the door for the postman, let him leave it there and then transport it as described above.
Do not use your real name. This tactic doesn't work in some places because deliveries won't be made to names not registered with the address. If you think this is a problem, send your self a test letter with the fake name and see if it arrives.

If you follow these guidelines, your chances of being detected are minimal. In the event that you are detected, deny requesting the package. Anyone can send anyone else anything in the mail.

Escrow
The most important feature of Silk Road is the escrow. Our committment is to total satisfaction for each and every purchase you make here. If your package never arrives or is not in the condition you expected, you may have a chance at a full or parital refund of the purchase price. Our resolution center gives you total flexibility in working out a mutually agreeable outcome with your vendor. In the rare event that an agreement can't be made, a Silk Road admin will be right there to mediate and investigate if necessary. The vast majority of orders are filled exactly as expected, but to avoid even the rare hang up, we strongly encourage you to read your vendor's feedback and ask questions of them ahead of time.

NEVER go around the escrow and pay a vendor directly. We will be totally unable to protect you in this event and the vendor will have much less motivation to serve you well. People HAVE been scammed this way.

Tumbler
Just when you thought Silk Road couldn't be more secure, we went one step further. The tumbler sends all payments through a complex, semi-random series of dummy transactions, each with a new, one-use receiving address, making it nearly impossible to link your payment with any coins leaving the site. The quantity, frequency, and number of transactions are all varied chaotically in a way that mimics the transactions of the bitcoin economy as a whole.

Final note
We do everything we can to protect your anonymity and ensure that your visits here bring you great satisfaction. However, you should understand the risks of possessing and using any of the items you purchase here. Research these matters before jumping in and be responsible for your actions. Learn how Tor and Bitcoin work so you can understand how to use them and where their limitations are. If you have any questions or concerns, we are here to support you. Please also send any suggestions for improving this guide to the "contact us" link below
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You and you alone will have your client's shipping address. This information must be destroyed as soon as it is used to label their package. When you click "confirm shippment," the address will be deleted forever and unretreavable.

-Never ask your clients for personal information.
-Publish a Public encryption key in your user description under "settings" so they can send you their info encrypted if they wish.

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Choose the category that most specifically matches your listing. Your listing will appear in this, and all parent categories above it. This will allow your customers to narrow down their search and find your item quickly.

If you think your item could belong in more than one category, choose the one that suits it best and let us know about the ambiguity. We may be able to reorganize the categories in a more clear way.

If your listing doesn't fit in any of the categories, it may be on our restricted items list. See below for details.

NOTICE: Please do not create listings that instruct customers to pay outside of escrow, or are used for any purpose other than to list an item to be sold for the listed price using the site checkout system. Any other intention can be carried out on the forums.

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You have two options when pricing your listings. They can be priced in constant Bitcoins, or constant US Dollars. All prices on the site are displayed in Bitcoins, but if you choose to peg your listings to the dollar, your prices will change dynamically in accordance with the exchange rate between the two currencies. When the bitcoin appreciates, your prices will fall. When it depreciates, they will rise, so no matter what, you will get the same dollar value for your item. We recommend that you peg your prices to the dollar.

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You must describe your listings accurately and truthfully. If you do not, it will be reflected in your feedback ratings and you will lose business. We have zero tolerance for any kind of scamming or cheating and have taken many precautions to guard against it.

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Every precaution must be taken to maintain the secrecy of the contents of your client's package. Creatively disguise it such that a postal inspector might ignore it if it was searched or accidently came open.

Ship USPS if within the United States. They must obtain a search warrant to open any packages.

If the contents of the package have an odor or can be detected by canine or electronic sniffers, you MUST vacuum seal the package. Do not use odor masking agents such as coffee because dogs are trained to sniff for these too. Check that the vacuum sealed bag is holding tight around its contents, otherwise there is probably a leak.

Make sure the exterior of the package raises no suspicion. Look as professional as possible. The idea here is blend in as much as possible with the rest of the mail stream which is mostly "business reply mail."

Protect the contents of your package. If your item is brittle (such as pills) it needs to be sent in padded packaging (such as a bubble mailer). Do not send pills or any bulky items in envelopes. Envelopes get flattened in automated sorting machines and their contents get crushed.

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As an independent seller, we expect the highest levels of customer service from you. Go above and beyond for your clients and you will be rewarded with superior feedback and repeat purchases. Reputation is everything here and the best way to cultivate it is by leaving your customers suprised and delighted.

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Please do not list forged documents including fake ids, passports, and counterfeit currency.
Please do not list anything who's purpose is to harm or defraud, such as stolen credit cards, assassinations, and weapons of mass destruction (chemical/bio weaponry, nukes, and anything used to make them).

Practically speaking, there are many powerful adversaries of Silk Road and if we are to survive, we must not take them all on at once. Additionally, if you try to please everyone, you will wind up pleasing no one. So certain things are restricted just so we don't scare too many off.

On a moral level, we take the high road, pun intended . Those who seek to control the behavior of their neighbors through force are immoral. Silk Road exists to circumvent that force and provide a safe-haven where civilized people can come together in peace for mutual benefit. To allow listings of items designed to defraud or harm innocent people would be to stoop to the level of the very people we are standing up to.

If you are unsure about a listing, just drop us a line and we'll let you know.

Accounts
We strongly encourage you to create a seperate account for making purchases. If you do not, it is possible for an adversary to find out your mailing address. If you buy something from them, and provide an address, they know that the address belongs to you and can see from your feedback how much you are selling and what you are selling.

Final note
Regardless of your motivations, you are a revolutionary. Your actions are bringing satisfaction to those that have been opressed for far too long. Take pride in what you do and stand tall.

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Old 06-02-2011, 05:45 PM   #179
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I've been running the bitcoin client since this thread was started, and I've got a whopping balance of 0.00... so disappointed.
its completely random if you will actually "obtain" coins from mining them. you're better off waiting for the bitcoin faucet to come back online - when the article was first posted they were giving out 5 free coins from the faucet but going there now says its down for maintenance

http://freebitcoins.appspot.com/
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Old 06-03-2011, 12:53 PM   #180
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Ok so I've downloaded it and have it set to run on my work machine. 64 bit Windows 7 brand new, with processor and video card for 3D modeling so I know I've got the horsepower (and I don't have to pay for electricity)

I wish I knew more about this, though. I'm just participating without really KNOWING what it is that I'm doing.
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Old 06-03-2011, 01:05 PM   #181
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The faucet is giving out .02 due to the current bitcoin value.
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Old 06-03-2011, 02:13 PM   #182
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Ok so I've downloaded it and have it set to run on my work machine. 64 bit Windows 7 brand new, with processor and video card for 3D modeling so I know I've got the horsepower (and I don't have to pay for electricity)

I wish I knew more about this, though. I'm just participating without really KNOWING what it is that I'm doing.
Go to the forum on bitcoin.org and check in the mining section. ATI cards are the best for home mining and the easiest way is to join a mining pool like deepbit.net.
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Old 06-03-2011, 02:23 PM   #183
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Is it worthwhile to hook my other ATI card up in Crossfire?
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Old 06-03-2011, 02:31 PM   #184
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Is it worthwhile to hook my other ATI card up in Crossfire?
You can use both cards, just load another instance of the mining software and tell it which device to use. Some people report problems with crossfire enabled.

Here is a list of mining hardware and how they perform:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison

As a very rough approximation, right now you can generate 3-4 bitcoins in a 24hr period with 1000Mhash/sec computing power (~3x 5870 GPUs)
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Old 06-08-2011, 05:40 PM   #185
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Bitcoin—a pseudonymous cryptographic currency designed by an enigmatic, freedom-loving hacker, and currently used by the geek underground to buy and sell everything from servers to cellphone jammers. No, this isn't a cyberpunk artifact from Snow Crash or Neuromancer; it's a real currency currently valued several times higher than the US dollar, the British pound, and the Euro.

Bitcoin is a virtual currency, designed to allow people to buy and sell without centralized control by banks or governments, and it allows for pseudonymous transactions which aren't tied to a real identity. In keeping with the hacker ethos, Bitcoin has no need to trust any central authority; every aspect of the currency is confirmed and secured through the use of strong cryptography.

Over the last few months, Bitcoin's value has risen by an order of magnitude as the sagas of Wikileaks and Anonymous (among others) have highlighted the limits of a financial system which relies on centralized intermediaries. With a current estimated market capitalization of about $100 million, Bitcoin has recently graduated from a theoretical techno-anarchic project patronized by libertarians and hackers to a full-fledged currency prompting comment from technologists and economists. At the time of this writing, one Bitcoin (BTC) is worth about US$15.

So how does Bitcoin work? Is it really secure? And is it here to stay—or just another digital currency fad? Glad you asked.
Complexities of cryptographic currencies

The problem with purely digital currencies is that of double-spending. Economists in the audience will note that digital products like a movie or a text file are non-rivalrous. If you have a copy of my pseudo-trip-rock band's new MP3 album, there's still just as much MP3 to go around for everyone else who wants one. That's not a problem for files, but it is a problem with currency, since the whole point is that there's a limited supply. If you use a dollar at the grocery store today, you can't go out and spend that same dollar at a bar tomorrow.

The usual solution to the double-spending problem is a trusted intermediary. PayPal makes sure that you can't spend the same dollars twice by deducting them from your account before they get added to someone else's account. Visa, MasterCard, and every other bank and payment processor do the same. However, this centralized approach is the one that enigmatic creator Satoshi Nakamoto specifically tried to avoid in the original Bitcoin design. The idea was to use cryptography to create verifiable transaction records without the need to trust anyone but your own calculations.

The Bitcoin solution uses cryptography and an open transaction register. Whenever you spend a Bitcoin, you cryptographically sign a statement saying that you have transferred the coin to a new owner and you identify the new owner by their public crypto key. Whenever they need to spend the coin, the new owner uses his private key to sign it over to some further owner. As soon as a transaction takes place, the recipient (who has a very strong incentive to ensure that you don't spend the coin twice) publishes the transaction to the global Bitcoin network. Now every Bitcoin user has incontrovertible evidence that the coin has been spent, and users won't accept that coin from anyone but the new owner.
Mining and make-work

As a digital currency, Bitcoin suffers from a tangibility problem. Unlike other currencies traded online, you can't go to a bank and withdraw physical coins, so what are they? More importantly, where do they come from? Coins are essentially agreements between all the Bitcoin nodes to accept a particular coin as currency. They are created gradually according to a precise protocol in order to reward those who contribute and maintain the network, control the rate of creation of the currency, and maintain the integrity of the transaction list.

In a process known as mining, individual Bitcoin users attempt to generate new coins by checking the integrity of the transactions list. They confirm the previous transactions and attempt to solve a difficult proof-of-work problem which involves exhaustively trying different solutions. There are a very large number of such potential solutions, so the likelihood of finding the solution depends how many other people are looking for it and how much computing power you devote to the problem. The first client to find the solution announces its good fortune to the whole network and earns a little reward for itself in the form of some shiny new Bitcoins.

By finding the newest solution to the proof-of-work problem, a Bitcoin client confirms the history of previous transactions and moved the transaction register forward, allowing new debits and credits to form part of the next block that can be mined to earn more coins. Future coins can't be mined in advance, because the computation to find the new block (and hence create new Bitcoins) relies on the the chain of previous blocks and the history of transactions since the most recent block.

The number of new coins generated per block gradually decreases over time. It started out at 50 BTC, but will dwindle to zero sometime in future when all 21 million coins have been generated. Fortunately, coins can be divided down to the eighth decimal place, which may prove increasingly useful if their value grows.

What's a few coins between friends?

One of the difficulties with a novel currency like Bitcoin is adoption and valuation. The same was true when the greenback paper dollar was first introduced, and it's a real problem with any means of exchange. After all, a currency is little more than something useless but rare which everyone agrees to trade for useful things, whether apples or assault rifles. National currencies have the advantage that governments demand them in taxes and require them to be accepted, which provides both a particular market and a high rate of adoption.

So, why would anyone exchange their hard-won dollars for Bitcoins, or accept Bitcoins in exchange for real products like a carton of milk or a subway ride? As a currency, Bitcoin has a number of desirable features which are not found together in any other currency. Cash has features like anonymity and eminent portability, but also comes with the downside that you have to physically move it from place to place to use it. Credit cards and other trust-based electronic currencies can be used instantly over any distance, but you have to attach your real identity to the purchase.


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Bitcoins combine the advantages of the two methods. Using Bitcoins, I can buy a racy t-shirt from Tibet and computer time from China without either merchant knowing who I am, or my bank knowing what I bought. This is useful not just for those purchasing questionable items (the downside of anonymous currency flows), but also for those who don't want merchants, banks, or card companies to be able to build up detailed profiles of their life, likes, and habits.

Since they're useful, some people want to use Bitcoins. Since some people want to use them, merchants have an incentive to accept them in order to attract the business of those customers.

This simplified economic model is not uncontested. Ars tech policy contributor Tim Lee has publicly criticized Bitcoin's economic model, both from the point of view of external market forces and over the internal incentive structures inherent to the protocol. Tech and economic policy commentator Jerry Brito provides a counterpoint, emphasizing Bitcoin's decentralizaion, which makes it very hard to control, but concedes that it is very hard to distinguish between a currency bubble and currency value.

Bitcoin's anonymity has already attracted Congressional attention. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) this weekend blasted Silk Road, an online drugs outlet that allegedly relies on TOR to obfuscate Internet traffic and Bitcoins for payment. "It's an online form of money laundering used to disguise the source of money, and to disguise who's both selling and buying the drug," Schumer said.

With all that said, I wonder why the mexican drug cartels are not using bitcoin
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i need Wired to put together an awesome info-graphic to explain all of this cryptographic register block movement and other such things that I don't really grasp right now.
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With all that said, I wonder why the mexican drug cartels are not using bitcoin
Mexican internet is powered by guys on pedal bikes, so it's a little slow.







Here's what I see.

The fact that you use this to transfer/exchange money makes it valuable.

As people who need to do that learn about, they will buy into it, making it worth more. (against the dollar)

Theoretically it's not the value going up, it's the dollar going down. You could put away $100K into bitcoins, take it out 10years from now and that amount of bitcoins will be worth way more than $100K, unless magically the economy drastically improves to 1950's money.

I think this is an opportunity to get in while the gettin's is hot and then get out when you've made a little chuck and then maybe leave some in there to see how it plays out.
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I'm a little suspicious of the origins, who made it and the real reason it was created.

also slightly suspicious of the way you can generate them by keeping a script running on your machine that uses up spare CPU cycles -- although I get that there are people who pay through the nose for the power of cluster computing

other than that, it's like the ultimate evolution of paypal.

now if we could walk into stores and start buying bitcoins the way we buy gift cards, that would be a good step forward for the program.
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I'm a little suspicious of the origins, who made it and the real reason it was created.

also slightly suspicious of the way you can generate them by keeping a script running on your machine that uses up spare CPU cycles -- although I get that there are people who pay through the nose for the power of cluster computing

other than that, it's like the ultimate evolution of paypal.

now if we could walk into stores and start buying bitcoins the way we buy gift cards, that would be a good step forward for the program.
But you don't go into stores to buy paypal monies?
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IMO, if there is some sort of stable $:BC: then I am all for BCGCs.

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But you don't go into stores to buy paypal monies?

no, but I can go to any teller machine and withdraw my PayPal cash.
PayPal is part of the system, it doesn't seek to create a new one -- as a matter of fact, although a subsidiary of ebay, PayPal is run by Chase.



bitcoin seeks to be a system in and of itself, it needs a way for people to buy in with cash
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ST. LOUIS (Thomson Reuters Accelus) - Two senators are pressing federal authorities to crack down on an online black market and "untraceable" digital currency known as Bitcoins after reports that they are used to buy illegal drugs anonymously.

Democratic Senators Charles Schumer of New York and Joe Manchin of West Virginia wrote to Attorney General Eric Holder and Drug Enforcement Administration head Michele Leonhart in a letter that expressed concerns about the underground website "Silk Road" and the use of Bitcoins to make purchases there.

The letter prompted a discussion among Bitcoin enthusiasts about whether the government was capable of closing related bank accounts and thereby stifling the currency.

The senators released a copy of their letter on Monday. It cites recent media reports that some tech-savvy individuals were using an "anonymizing network" known as Tor to gain clandestine access to Silk Road and buy illegal drugs.

Silk Road buyers pay with Bitcoins and sellers mail the drugs, the Gawker blog reported. The transactions leave no traditional money trail for investigators to follow, and leave it hard to prove a package recipient knew in advance what was in a shipment.

"The only method of payment for these illegal purchases is an untraceable peer-to-peer currency known as Bitcoins. After purchasing Bitcoins through an exchange, a user can create an account on Silk Road and start purchasing illegal drugs from individuals around the world and have them delivered to their homes within days," the senators' letter states. "We urge you to take immediate action and shut down the Silk Road network."

The DEA is "absolutely" concerned about Bitcoins and other anonymous digital currencies, agency spokeswoman Dawn Dearden said when asked for a response to the senators' concerns.

"The DEA is constantly evaluating and analyzing new technologies and schemes perpetrated by drug trafficking networks. While we won't confirm or deny the existence of specific investigations, DEA is well aware of these emerging threats and we will act accordingly," she said.

Silk Road may be hard to close. It could easily move from server to server around the globe and change its Web address and name at will, while remaining accessible through Tor.

However, Bitcoins must be purchased with real money; of late, they have been selling for roughly $10 each.

Therefore, there are exchanges with bank accounts, such as the Mt. Gox Bitcoin Exchange, that the Justice Department and other law enforcement agencies may be able to target. It is this weak link that worries the currency's enthusiasts.

A discussion thread this week on the primary Bitcoin forum was titled "Will Mt. Gox US Bank accounts eventually get frozen?" Some speculated that if the government bans transactions involving Bitcoin exchanges, a layer of shell companies might allow them to continue.

One user described this process as simply "growing pains" and asserted that the government "can't stop a peer-to-peer service."

U.S. law enforcers might have difficulty stopping Bitcoins without help from their peers in other countries.

While little information about Bitcoin exchanges is publicly available, an item posted on a website called Bitcoin Watch states that Mt. Gox's bank account is in Japan, and anecdotal evidence suggests many other exchanges operate outside of the US.

Mt. Gox's website does not list a phone number, representatives could not be reached via email.
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Gubment about to get involved. Might be time to take your winnings and run.
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This is fascinating. I really wonder how this will all turn out. Now that the government has taken an interest in it due to the illegal drug sales it should get interesting. I doubt it will shut the whole thing down, but the currency exchange portion is definitely going to be tough to keep up.
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if people traded bottle caps for drugs, they would try to outlaw the bottle caps instead of acknowledging that they are wrong and that by keeping the drugs illegal they are going against the will of the people and behaving like the very king that America was created for people to get away from.

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I'm a little suspicious of the origins, who made it and the real reason it was created.

also slightly suspicious of the way you can generate them by keeping a script running on your machine that uses up spare CPU cycles -- although I get that there are people who pay through the nose for the power of cluster computing

other than that, it's like the ultimate evolution of paypal.

now if we could walk into stores and start buying bitcoins the way we buy gift cards, that would be a good step forward for the program.
I'm with you on this one, Q. What exactly is it "mining"? What the hell is your computer running while it's doing said mining? Perhaps an algorithm to break a code? who knows?
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if people traded bottle caps for drugs, they would try to outlaw the bottle caps instead of acknowledging that they are wrong and that by keeping the drugs illegal they are going against the will of the people and behaving like the very king that America was created for people to get away from.
It's harder for the US government to gauge how much of the dollar is getting funneled into columbia's or mexico's or afghanistan's economy. Can't make much of a case for those governments to lower/raise their currency's value the way they've been trying to get China to do it. The IMF/World Bank will get really worried if this turns into something people can actually invest in through foreign currency markets.
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I'm with you on this one, Q. What exactly is it "mining"? What the hell is your computer running while it's doing said mining? Perhaps an algorithm to break a code? who knows?
Supposedly the mining is to strengthen the encryption.
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Can anyone tell me what this is? Posted by Lulzsec...
http://blockexplorer.com/block/00000...df8d580a080f0e

Bitcoins are dumping value big time. The value went from 30 to around 10 in a few days.
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