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Old 10-09-2021, 03:07 PM   #26
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Personally I would not trust whom ever told you it didn't have a turbo in it. From your pictures it clearly does. Also has some mods on it that you must be tuned for. Did it come with a Cobb access port? If not your issue is in leaks and tuning. I think whom you took it to was going to screw you on getting a whole new motor.

You need to find a reputable shop, ask on here for some shops that can tell you the truth.


Bring it to a well known Subaru tuner/ shop to go over the car spend some money to get it all fixed to save a bigger expense replacing the motor.

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I've done a few mods under the hood, including the AP, Cobb SF Intake, Cobb Pitch Stop, Mishomoto Expansion Tank, Cobb AOS (not installed). Trying to put tasteful mods that are street legal in CA.

I just took it to a reputable shop and this is what they are telling me - they can't fix the codes because its not an STI block.

The codes I've been dealing with are below - the secondary air codes came on the second day of ownership followed by the PCV codes soon after. The P0123 started when the car broken down in its current state.

P0123 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor (newest code, gas pedal does not engage, I think maybe a throttle body sensor)
P1491 PCV Blow By
P2433 Secondary Air Injection (bank 1)
P2443 Secondary Air Injection (bank 2)
P0410 Secondary Air Injection
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Old 10-10-2021, 01:32 PM   #27
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/qan7izutay..._4928.jpg?dl=0

Here is an image of the area in question, does this look stock STI to anybody?
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Old 10-10-2021, 01:48 PM   #28
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Yeah you definitely got screwed there should be two crankcase breather ports in that area of the block, I only see one there.

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/qan7izutay..._4928.jpg?dl=0

Here is an image of the area in question, does this look stock STI to anybody?
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Old 10-10-2021, 02:42 PM   #29
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Yeah you definitely got screwed there should be two crankcase breather ports in that area of the block, I only see one there.
The block does read EJ25 on it
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:27 PM   #30
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Contact the dealership, tell them you will be forced to get a lawyer involved if they don't make it right. Completely illegal.
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Old 10-11-2021, 12:50 PM   #31
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Contact the dealership, tell them you will be forced to get a lawyer involved if they don't make it right. Completely illegal.
From another forum we confirmed that this is most definitely an EJ253. You can see the rear port under the turbo compressor housing is threaded which the EJ253s use a different threaded PCV valve installed there.

Which confirms its a short block from a non turbo SOHC Forester/Legacy Outback platform. I've reached out to a few lawyers and hope I can get traction. Surely this can't be legal...
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Old 10-11-2021, 02:13 PM   #32
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From another forum we confirmed that this is most definitely an EJ253. You can see the rear port under the turbo compressor housing is threaded which the EJ253s use a different threaded PCV valve installed there.

Which confirms its a short block from a non turbo SOHC Forester/Legacy Outback platform. I've reached out to a few lawyers and hope I can get traction. Surely this can't be legal...
I don't think there's any debate whether it's not legal. Probably a massive liability risk for that dealer above anything else.

Why don't you start with the dealer before going lawyer? Maybe the people who's heads will be on the line legitimately did not know and they'll cooperate immediately.
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Old 10-11-2021, 07:05 PM   #33
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Curious if the smog was done by the previous owner or the dealer.

You have the date of the smog and you probably have a carfax with a date on when the title changed hands.

Dealer may not have know the block was replaced.
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Old 10-11-2021, 08:02 PM   #34
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before contacting the dealer and trying to get them make it right, remove the stuff you put on the car. rule number 1 though, if it doesnt run right, dont hand over the money and take the car home.
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Old 10-13-2021, 09:28 AM   #35
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sounds like the previous owner did some sneaky move before trading it in.
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Old 10-13-2021, 05:18 PM   #36
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I canít see your pictures but it should be as easy as taking a picture of the timing belt cover. Does it have 2 bump outs per side or 1? Dohc or sohc, that should tell you turbo block or not.
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Old 10-13-2021, 06:22 PM   #37
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sounds like the previous owner did some sneaky move before trading it in.
Has 70s Big Block switcharoo written all over it. Bold move nowadays. Perhaps the dealer had no idea, or did and simply trying to dump their mistake.
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Old 10-16-2021, 06:00 PM   #38
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What is the VIN? i work at Subaru i can see what the car was originally
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Old 10-25-2021, 12:27 AM   #39
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There should be a serial number on the engine (back top of engine where the transmission mates up) - that should tell you what the block is, I think.
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Old 10-25-2021, 02:01 PM   #40
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The honest truth is I found a low mile STI, in the color and body style I wanted, and I was ready to tackle any DIY that came up, and there was a handful (missing lug nuts, loose screws, cracked tire, etc).
Hehe, a DIY on a subaru is replacing the engine. If you like the car and want to work on it yourself then it really doesn't matter what block it had, it was never going to last anyway.

Go pick up a EJ20X (~$1000) or EJ20Y (~$1500) and swap over all your STI accessories (turbo, accesories, manifolds, etc.) to the long block. The 2008+ USDM sti will run that engine, with a decent tune it will drive and feel way better than the USDM EJ257.

Do not waste money on rebuilding EJ engines either, its a lengthy process and the results are usually disappointing...it either blows up or doesn't make enough power.
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Old 10-25-2021, 02:15 PM   #41
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Ok,

I'm so beyond confused here... couple questions.
1) why were you willing to fix anything? you can force the dealership to do this using the lemon law
2) if the CEL came on, once again you can force the dealership to fix this
3) we're all assuming this is going to be some fight... its very possible the dealership would take full ownership and fix to avoid any bad reviews / press.

Please, stop doing this and call the dealership. Not sure how you've gone 4 months without picking up the phone. I'm on the fence of calling BS on this whole post at this point.
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Old 10-25-2021, 02:22 PM   #42
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Hehe, a DIY on a subaru is replacing the engine. If you like the car and want to work on it yourself then it really doesn't matter what block it had, it was never going to last anyway.

Go pick up a EJ20X (~$1000) or EJ20Y (~$1500) and swap over all your STI accessories (turbo, accesories, manifolds, etc.) to the long block. The 2008+ USDM sti will run that engine, with a decent tune it will drive and feel way better than the USDM EJ257.

Do not waste money on rebuilding EJ engines either, its a lengthy process and the results are usually disappointing...it either blows up or doesn't make enough power.
Hard disagree on the 20x.

You're losing displacement, and the higher CR doesn't help on pump gas...
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Old 10-25-2021, 02:53 PM   #43
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Hard disagree on the 20x.

You're losing displacement, and the higher CR doesn't help on pump gas...
My VF39d EJ205 wrx would not get out of it's own way until boost started to build around 3k. Agreed on the displacement
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Old 10-26-2021, 03:15 AM   #44
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Ok,

I'm so beyond confused here... couple questions.
1) why were you willing to fix anything? you can force the dealership to do this using the lemon law
2) if the CEL came on, once again you can force the dealership to fix this
3) we're all assuming this is going to be some fight... its very possible the dealership would take full ownership and fix to avoid any bad reviews / press.

Please, stop doing this and call the dealership. Not sure how you've gone 4 months without picking up the phone. I'm on the fence of calling BS on this whole post at this point.
Laughing because I am thinking the exact same things.
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Old 10-26-2021, 08:15 AM   #45
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Ok,

I'm so beyond confused here... couple questions.
1) why were you willing to fix anything? you can force the dealership to do this using the lemon law
2) if the CEL came on, once again you can force the dealership to fix this
3) we're all assuming this is going to be some fight... its very possible the dealership would take full ownership and fix to avoid any bad reviews / press.

Please, stop doing this and call the dealership. Not sure how you've gone 4 months without picking up the phone. I'm on the fence of calling BS on this whole post at this point.
Yeah there's something significant that he isn't telling us.
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Old 10-26-2021, 09:53 AM   #46
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There are a couple levels that are available here.

First, depending on the state, the car may be covered under the lemon law. This is cut and dry and easy on your end. My state (MA), you would absolutely be covered. You call the dealer and tell them you have a CEL and that your mechanic verified that the engine is a low cost, inappropriate engine for the car and is not an STi engine.

If there's flack on the above, you may need to get an attorney involved and hit the dealer with a fraud accusation.

As others have said, anything you have added to the car, remove it now. The car will be going away.

You also can certainly do an end run of the above and contact your state Attorney General. Some states (like mine) go after dealers like this and start by removing their heads. Other more business friendly states don't care that consumers are being ripped off and allow "as is" sales.

I would imagine that if CA is the state, the dealer will likely know that they're about to lose their neck.

Good luck. Don't try to solve this yourself. It sounds like this is a good car to sell outside the US for that dealer.
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Old 10-26-2021, 12:52 PM   #47
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Hope you sort it out soon.
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Old 10-30-2021, 04:37 AM   #48
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Update?

Next time take the car to a Subaru specialist before buying a car and get a PPI done.
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Old 10-30-2021, 06:43 PM   #49
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The honest truth is I found a low mile STI, in the color and body style I wanted, and I was ready to tackle any DIY that came up, and there was a handful (missing lug nuts, loose screws, cracked tire, etc).

Anyways I got the car I wanted and was willing to sacrifice a little elbow grease for it.

I'll work on getting some images uploaded shortly.
It was missing lug nuts and had bad tires and that didn't clue you into that maybe this wasn't a car you should be buying?

I'd contact the dealership and see if they want to make this right. You might be hosed on the amount of time it's taken you to bring this to their attention. They'll likely say, "Why has it taken you four months to figure this out and how do we know you didn't swap the engine yourself?"

If they blow you off, contact a lawyer because this is surely a breach of contract and fraud, i.e. they sold you something that wasn't as it was advertised.

My guess it the previous owner blew the engine, "fixed" it with this piece of garbage frankenstein motor, and then quickly dumped it on an unsuspecting dealer.

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Old 11-11-2021, 01:28 AM   #50
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BS. Sorry Brah
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