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Old 11-05-2021, 07:15 PM   #26
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+1 on nothing out of the normal, especially since the car came from Florida, if it sat outside near the coastline it would rust quicker with the salty air...
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:01 PM   #27
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Seeing the pictures now, this looks like it might just be the effects of salty air (i.e. costal area) on unprotected metal.

Look at post 102 on page six of this thread, showing a Tacoma in Texas that was taken to the coast a few times:

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/....651180/page-6

You may want to back up and read that thread from the start. It is about using cosmoline as a protective coating. I use it and it is fantastic. You only have some minor surface corrosion here and there, and coating with cosmoline will arrest that (obviously things like the exhaust can't be coated...)

That said, I think it is still wise to go through with the comprehensive inspection. We are judging from pictures and there is some limitation in that.

Also, the fact that the car was auctioned does remain unusual... at least to me.
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:06 PM   #28
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I took some pics and I can save them down to the google photos link but I found small rocks, leaves and some black/brown stuff under the carpet on the passenger side. To me, all of that seems really odd since there really isnít a way for those things to get under the carpet.
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:10 PM   #29
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Seeing the pictures now, this looks like it might just be the effects of salty air (i.e. costal area) on unprotected metal.

Look at post 102 on page six of this thread, showing a Tacoma in Texas that was taken to the coast a few times:

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/....651180/page-6

You may want to back up and read that thread from the start. It is about using cosmoline as a protective coating. I use it and it is fantastic. You only have some minor surface corrosion here and there, and coating with cosmoline will arrest that (obviously things like the exhaust can't be coated...)

That said, I think it is still wise to go through with the comprehensive inspection. We are judging from pictures and there is some limitation in that.

Also, the fact that the car was auctioned does remain unusual... at least to me.
Good post and that truck reminds me of my car.
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Old 11-05-2021, 08:59 PM   #30
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If you lived in a snow belt state after one winter the car would look worse then that so I'd say it's probably 'normal' as long as you don't find any dead fish under the carpet..
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Old 11-05-2021, 09:29 PM   #31
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If you lived in a snow belt state after one winter the car would look worse then that so I'd say it's probably 'normal' as long as you don't find any dead fish under the carpet..
Only found leaves, rocks and some brown black stains. No clue
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Old 11-05-2021, 11:28 PM   #32
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Speaking of the small rocks and leaves I found when I pulled the carpet up, does anyone have any thoughts on how those could have gotten there? Sure a flood could have done it but I didnít see anything wet or damp. Not sure on the black/brown spots. Could have been mold but not sure. Might have been sealant of some kind. The leaves were on the other side too by the gas release. Thoughts?
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Old 11-05-2021, 11:52 PM   #33
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Agree with RTV900 - I've seen several flood cars over the years. No red flags for me. Plus if water got into the interior you would see traces in any of the electrical connectors under the seat. Also there would be electrical problems with the Airbag system. Easily you could pull a door card off and see witness marks on the backside as a dealer/auction is not going to replace them due to high replacement cost.


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I think I'm probably in the minority here, but none of that looks like major red flag to me. I mean I guess I'd be scratching my head, but still, unprotected steel will develop surface rust within hours just from the moisture in the air.
Plus, keep in mind a 2020 is a minimum of two years old at this point, the mileage is irrelevant. If it was driven in a typical climate obviously in the rain the entire undercarriage gets soaked 100%.

Ever look at your rotors on a rainy day when it's been sitting for a few hours? They get completely covered in surface rust.

As for the sand???? Again, I mean hell, one beach day and that's it, there's sand in the car for eternity.
Personally I don't see any smoking guns.
Maybe some concerns but no smoking guns.
Also, isn't that one pic of your ABS unit with all the brake lines? Isn't that part way up high in the engine compartment? If so this thing would have been in 3 feet of water or more. There's no way anybody kept that under the radar in that much water.

I think the carpet pull back is the real test if you think it was really a flood car.
You'll see all kinds of weird swirl marks of water and grime that could never be there any other way.
You gotta get that done and report back.
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Old 11-06-2021, 12:43 PM   #34
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Agree with RTV900 - I've seen several flood cars over the years. No red flags for me. Plus if water got into the interior you would see traces in any of the electrical connectors under the seat. Also there would be electrical problems with the Airbag system. Easily you could pull a door card off and see witness marks on the backside as a dealer/auction is not going to replace them due to high replacement cost.
What about rust on the brake pedal assy under the dash? There is sand on each pedal arm, brake, clutch and gas and where the brake connects to the bracket on the firewall, there is rust and some leaves attached. No visible rust on any other bolt or bracket though. Like I mentioned above, I also found leaves and rocks under the carpet from what I was able to pull back. While a lot of this may not be overly concerning to some, I certainly feel something is off. I will be interested in seeing what my mechanic finds.
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Old 11-06-2021, 01:04 PM   #35
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Based on the photos I see NOTHING that indicates a flood car in the photos provided. I base this on 40 plus years as an auto tech, and have seen more than my fair share of flood cars.
Pull the glove box out, look at the connectors for the ECM. Do they have a white trace all over them? Corrosion and residue in the back of the plugs? Same for the face of the fuse panel on the drivers side.
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Old 11-06-2021, 01:38 PM   #36
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Well pulled the door panel and found sand in the speaker. That would be hard to explain other than a flood car
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Yikes definitely get that report from your mechanic and head back to the dealer.
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Old 11-06-2021, 02:01 PM   #38
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Based on the photos I see NOTHING that indicates a flood car in the photos provided. I base this on 40 plus years as an auto tech, and have seen more than my fair share of flood cars.
Pull the glove box out, look at the connectors for the ECM. Do they have a white trace all over them? Corrosion and residue in the back of the plugs? Same for the face of the fuse panel on the drivers side.
I will have to look at the back side. Front side has sand in the plugs. I have found white traces on the door handles, in the door hinge areas and again, there is sand in door speakers. There is no way sand would be in the speaker unless it was out there by water. Not to mention the sand and sand line on the inside of the door panel. Someone tried real hard to cover this up
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Old 11-06-2021, 02:03 PM   #39
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Yikes definitely get that report from your mechanic and head back to the dealer.
Yeah this is a horrible feeling. I have been buying cars for many years and never have I encountered something like this.
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definately take it back to the dealer. sand inside the door speakers, speaks volumes. they need to take that car back and refund you 100%.
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Can you share the vin?
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Old 11-07-2021, 08:07 AM   #42
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definately take it back to the dealer. sand inside the door speakers, speaks volumes. they need to take that car back and refund you 100%.
Already in the process of being done.

For all I know someoneís girlfriend/boyfriend/spouse got pissed and drove it into the Gulf of Mexico. Or it went through a hurricane.
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Old 11-07-2021, 08:11 AM   #43
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Can you share the vin?
I would but the history comes back clean. It wasnít reported. Only thing I could find was that it was passed around from dealer to dealer while in Florida. Has about 8 bills of sale and then went to auction. Itís how it ended up here in Texas.
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At this point I am going to leave the dealers name unknown to give them an opportunity to make things right. They made it very clear they don't want SoA involved in the matter. I imagine they don't as this is a very sticky situation. They sold me a car that has water/flood damage and I am sure there is a penalty for doing so. It doesn't matter if they knew or not, the responsibility falls on them, even more so since it was a certified preowned.

With all of this said, I am still very much in the market for an STI once this is resolved. I will be buying new after this mess.
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Old 11-08-2021, 09:45 AM   #45
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Opinions, would there be any other reason there is sand in the door speaker and sand marks on the inside door panel that's about half way up other that water/flood damage?

What I don't get is why there are no electrical issues. From what I have read, heard, electrical problems may not be immediate. They could crop up 3-5 years later.
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Unlikely it would be from anything else.
Yes the electrical fallout from a flood may not be readily apparent, and can be very unpredictable especially if it was salt water or had high mineral or other impurity content.
This is one of the major reasons that flood cars are usually written off by insurance even if they appear "ok" in the short term, and why they can get sold to unsuspecting buyers.
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Opinions, would there be any other reason there is sand in the door speaker and sand marks on the inside door panel that's about half way up other that water/flood damage?

What I don't get is why there are no electrical issues. From what I have read, heard, electrical problems may not be immediate. They could crop up 3-5 years later.
Can't you get a pic of the sand you are seeing and the mud like stuff?
Depending what the sand in the speakers looks like it could be flood evidence.
Is it like a line you can see going across?
Or just sand collected at the bottom?

same deal with the stuff under the carpet. And when you say carpet you are not meaning floor mats right? You mean the actual carpet on the steel?
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Can't you get a pic of the sand you are seeing and the mud like stuff?
Depending what the sand in the speakers looks like it could be flood evidence.
Is it like a line you can see going across?
Or just sand collected at the bottom?

same deal with the stuff under the carpet. And when you say carpet you are not meaning floor mats right? You mean the actual carpet on the steel?
Oh I have pics but canít host them to share. Sand is not only collected in the speakers but also at the bottom of the door panel on the inside. Itís also up on the door on the inside. You can see it going across the door.

The stuff in the carpet was not from me pulling up the floor mats. It was from me taking the door sill off, lifting the carpet up, pulling it back a little and looking.
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ok, well if there was debris under the actual carpet itself that's not good
Not really any way anything could get under there
That sucks, good luck with the dealer.

They'll have a hard time pretending that's not a water related issue, but the wild card is going to be whether they accept responsibility or simply say that they sold it according to the vehicles title which does not say flood, or salvage or whatever, and they won't eat it. Obviously nobody is going to voluntarily brand a title as a flood car if it isn't already branded because who would do that right?
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ok, well if there was debris under the actual carpet itself that's not good
Not really any way anything could get under there
That sucks, good luck with the dealer.

They'll have a hard time pretending that's not a water related issue, but the wild card is going to be whether they accept responsibility or simply say that they sold it according to the vehicles title which does not say flood, or salvage or whatever, and they won't eat it. Obviously nobody is going to voluntarily brand a title as a flood car if it isn't already branded because who would do that right?
Well that was my logical thinking. I could buy off on the surface rust I am seeing as being a Florida car in a salty environment but after pulling the carpet up and seeing small rocks, leaves, and what might be mold along with the sand inside door panel and speakers, I felt like there are too many indicators for it not to have been dipped in water in some aspect.

Thanks. Dealer already agreed to take the car back.
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