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Old 10-07-2019, 11:36 PM   #1126
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.....and some ground clearance.

Can you elaborate on this a bit? I just about spit out my drink when I read this!
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:03 AM   #1127
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I always thought that the RA was hamstrung by the tires they released it with; I would love to see an RA go head to head with an S209 with the same tires.

I’m not a huge fan of the Contis on the Type R either, I miss my R888Rs.
Wow! Did they really come with Advan V105's??? Those were the stock ones in my MX-5 and they sucked while cold, specially in wet. Although I did like them on dry, they were not particularly impressive regarding grip. Later changed to Pilot Sport 3, which are much more balanced.
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Old 10-08-2019, 10:48 AM   #1128
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change that to straight six and I'm right there with you. I miss displacement and a redline north of 7,000rpm; give me another Stagia Nissan (just smaller, and lighter)!

All aluminum 3.0L+/-, no less than 300hp, no more than 3,000lbs; 6mt is a must, rear biased AWD system.

The problem being that with today's safety & emissions standards, it would be a 1.8l TC I4 that redlined at 6,500rpm, ran out of breath at 5,500rpm, weighed 3,500lbs, had a front biased awd system, with abs simulated lsd's, had no greenhouse, massive blind spots thanks to huge A-pillars, a "fastback" roof line that ate cargo space, and 20x7 cast wheels that weigh 30lbs each wrapped in AS runflats, and auto only.
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Can you elaborate on this a bit? I just about spit out my drink when I read this!
Problems with reading comprehension? I don't understand the question and why do I need to explain or elaborate.? I didn't say I wanted a CUV/SUV buddy. The AWD turbo class, "Modeled" after WRC and rally cars. Really? All of them are slammed to the ground. How about some kind of ground clearance. Shouldn't a production or street class rally car have a little bit of ground clearance? You take a STI or Focus RS, or whatever on some light dirt or gravel and get out your checkbook for the repair bills for the front splitter that will be gone and the front bumper. F'in things are slammed to the ground and not even 10% will ever see a road course.
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:30 AM   #1129
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..... I didn't say I wanted a CUV/SUV buddy. The AWD turbo class, "Modeled" after WRC and rally cars. Really? All of them are slammed to the ground. How about some kind of ground clearance. Shouldn't a production or street class rally car have a little bit of ground clearance? You take a STI or Focus RS, or whatever on some light dirt or gravel and get out your checkbook for the repair bills for the front splitter that will be gone and the front bumper. F'in things are slammed to the ground and not even 10% will ever see a road course.
This was all the answer I was looking for. That's what I thought; but, you hate people that ASSume. So....I asked. And, as usual, you have to attack. "Reading comprehension" problem I may had a bit of. HENCE the question.
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Old 10-08-2019, 12:13 PM   #1130
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This was all the answer I was looking for. That's what I thought; but, you hate people that ASSume. So....I asked. And, as usual, you have to attack. "Reading comprehension" problem I may had a bit of. HENCE the question.
It's who he is Justy. And it's not a bad thing.

On a bike when in doubt or trouble, you don't think about it... you attack, use the throttle not the brakes.

It's not the best social response, but that's everyone else's problem. Not his. No alibis. No apologies. It works... just thins out the "friends".

Even with my Impreza's 1/2" ground clearance over my WRXs' 4.5" it is barely enough to deal with most roads here. But it's not enough to be comfortable everywhere. Don't get me wrong, I prefer a car low and accept the restrictions... except. Except in an all-purpose vehicle. 5" just doesn't cut it. It only takes somewhere inside another two inches to do that. The best solution is coilovers, then you can optimize and have choices... and it relieves most restrictions about stock height from most choices. IOW, don't worry about OEM ride height if the rest of the car works... IMHO.

No more S209 news, eh, Juisty?
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To be honest, when I read Pre's comment about ground clearance, I, too, found it amusing. *shrug*
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Old 10-08-2019, 01:21 PM   #1132
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To be honest, when I read Pre's comment about ground clearance, I, too, found it amusing. *shrug*
I didn't. I found it refreshing honesty. Typical Pre.

What I find really out of place is your travels in a BRZ. I can only assume you stick to a few routes with a minimum of surface surprises as you go place to specific place.

Because where I go serendipity is often my guide and while that may include roads I have seen before they're often not in the shape I once saw them. When setting out I often have no distint route, only perhaps a waypoint or two or a vague zenith to my circuitous path, but the rest is up to the road choices before me... and the sky. It is a concern when your car isn't prepared for what can result because of inadequate ground clearance... that an extra inch or two would have made the difference.

But as always, people take all good things to extremes. Want ground clearance? OK, here's 9 or 10 inches, stilts for everyone. Want a little safety? Seat belts aren't good enough, must add in $5k of every nanny known to man. Want bigger than a Justy? Fine, here you go, it just weighs an extra half ton. Want better adjustability to your seat? No problem, here's a seat with 10 adjustments to make life a living hell, hee hee.

Perspective corrupted by marketing to the lowest common denominator. The elimination of choice for the individual. Take it or leave it.
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Old 10-08-2019, 02:20 PM   #1133
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I'd take all my lowered to the weeds Subarus and non Subarus to Rally events and up to the mountains. Never had an issue.
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Old 10-08-2019, 03:46 PM   #1134
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This was all the answer I was looking for. That's what I thought; but, you hate people that ASSume. So....I asked. And, as usual, you have to attack. "Reading comprehension" problem I may had a bit of. HENCE the question.
It's not "who he is" SEEEEEYYAA. It's Justy doing this repetitively. This is like, I dunno, the hundredth time. "EXPLAIN THIS!" A simple statement but asks you to "elaborate". I didn't know he was the teacher and we were all his students or that we need to explain simple statements to his pleasure and request.
Try to think a little bit next time. Were you trying to infer from that statement that I'm requesting OB ground clearance? If so, that's pretty hilarious. For those who can't think: NOT SLAMMED TO THE F'IN GROUND BRAH!
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:40 PM   #1135
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We're definitely getting more into heads than cars lately.

Dullsville.
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Old 10-08-2019, 04:53 PM   #1136
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I'm surprised and disappointed that the S209 is as mundane as it is. Know what I mean?

It's a carefully arranged STI parts bin, on an essentially current generation product.

No adaptive dampers. Nothing whatsoever new to Subaru, let alone the world.

It's passé before it is released. A statue to the past.

The next STI better damn well be something else... or as an icon it's toast to me.
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Old 10-08-2019, 08:48 PM   #1137
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It's who he is Justy. And it's not a bad thing.

On a bike when in doubt or trouble, you don't think about it... you attack, use the throttle not the brakes.

It's not the best social response, but that's everyone else's problem. Not his. No alibis. No apologies. It works... just thins out the "friends".

Even with my Impreza's 1/2" ground clearance over my WRXs' 4.5" it is barely enough to deal with most roads here. But it's not enough to be comfortable everywhere. Don't get me wrong, I prefer a car low and accept the restrictions... except. Except in an all-purpose vehicle. 5" just doesn't cut it. It only takes somewhere inside another two inches to do that. The best solution is coilovers, then you can optimize and have choices... and it relieves most restrictions about stock height from most choices. IOW, don't worry about OEM ride height if the rest of the car works... IMHO.

No more S209 news, eh, Juisty?

Only news left is when they price them and ship them. We are not getting one; so, I won't likely ever get to see one; so, my interest in them took a serious dip.

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It's not "who he is" SEEEEEYYAA. It's Justy doing this repetitively. This is like, I dunno, the hundredth time. "EXPLAIN THIS!" A simple statement but asks you to "elaborate". I didn't know he was the teacher and we were all his students or that we need to explain simple statements to his pleasure and request.
Try to think a little bit next time. Were you trying to infer from that statement that I'm requesting OB ground clearance? If so, that's pretty hilarious. For those who can't think: NOT SLAMMED TO THE F'IN GROUND BRAH!

Simple statements.......yeah.

Just like my "simple" statements you say are blanket statements. You don't think I realize there are good cars at other makes when they also make some pretty bad ones? There's your ASSumption you despise soo much. Making it to where someone has to EXPLAIN more about their statement. Example. Subaru doesn't make trucks; so, I don't care much about other companies trucks, or their reliability. Nissan was the subject. All of the direct competitors to what Subaru offers are questionable. Which was my subject of conversation. And it wasn't even really about the reliability. It was more of the demographic. And I was agreeing.

Ground clearance is something you are usually chiding sooo much, so, to see you say you want it was pretty funny........KNOWING you weren't talking about OB tallness. Just wanted to see what you were going after. An inch? couple inches? I am also against lowering the cars any further. I do like their current height and wouldn't want any more. You say they are modeled after rally cars. Yeah. I want mine modeled more around Monte Carlo than Sweden even though that goes lower than I'd like....
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Old 10-08-2019, 09:32 PM   #1138
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It's not "who he is" SEEEEEYYAA. It's Justy doing this repetitively. This is like, I dunno, the hundredth time. "EXPLAIN THIS!" A simple statement but asks you to "elaborate". I didn't know he was the teacher and we were all his students or that we need to explain simple statements to his pleasure and request.
Try to think a little bit next time. Were you trying to infer from that statement that I'm requesting OB ground clearance? If so, that's pretty hilarious. For those who can't think: NOT SLAMMED TO THE F'IN GROUND BRAH!
Unlike you, Justy wants to understand things before espousing an opinion. Not everyone wants to be an edgy, obnoxious forum mouthpiece.
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So we went from being disappointed over the crappy engine internals to arguing about ground clearance?

So anybody know MSRP?
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I think we've ran out of things to complain about until the price is announced

Meanwhile we'll all dream and make a wishlist for the next gen STI.. then proceed to complain once we're disappointed about those specs
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I didn't. I found it refreshing honesty. Typical Pre.

What I find really out of place is your travels in a BRZ. I can only assume you stick to a few routes with a minimum of surface surprises as you go place to specific place.

Because where I go serendipity is often my guide and while that may include roads I have seen before they're often not in the shape I once saw them. When setting out I often have no distint route, only perhaps a waypoint or two or a vague zenith to my circuitous path, but the rest is up to the road choices before me... and the sky. It is a concern when your car isn't prepared for what can result because of inadequate ground clearance... that an extra inch or two would have made the difference.

But as always, people take all good things to extremes. Want ground clearance? OK, here's 9 or 10 inches, stilts for everyone. Want a little safety? Seat belts aren't good enough, must add in $5k of every nanny known to man. Want bigger than a Justy? Fine, here you go, it just weighs an extra half ton. Want better adjustability to your seat? No problem, here's a seat with 10 adjustments to make life a living hell, hee hee.

Perspective corrupted by marketing to the lowest common denominator. The elimination of choice for the individual. Take it or leave it.
Negative. With my BRZ I went wherever I wanted, whenever I wanted. Even back roads in wooded areas by lakes. Roads with deep grooves. I just drove on the ridges as it's the same trick I learned from the police at a young age. Alaska has rutted roads. Canada has horrible frost heaves. One trick I learned was to tap the brake right as I get to a big dip, turn the wheel slightly, and then gas it. Not nearly as jarring as hitting it dead-on at high speeds. Regardless, I have no memory of bottoming out in my BRZ, even after I replaced the struts and springs.

When I moved east I got used to navigating around pot holes. Unfortunately the Impreza is bigger and my attempts to avoid deep manhole covers and potholes have lead to unintentionally amusing scenarios with joggers interpreting my dodges as my aiming for them. People here pretty much just run over the holes, including my roommate with his lowered WRX. "You can't avoid them!" Not true. You CAN avoid them, but you might have to cross a yellow line for a split second. Which is fine because we all have to cross double yellow lines to go around garbage trucks and such. I don't subscribe to being slavish to the law. If there's no oncoming traffic then I won't stay in my lane and hit a pothole for fear of getting ticketed. Better that than replacing an entire wheel or tire.

BC coilovers are going on the Impreza soon. Just waiting on the SPC rear lower control arms to arrive tomorrow or Friday. Lowered suspension has been my biggest enemy on the Impreza, but that's all my fault. Tried something different (cheap) and have paid the price for it. This car scrapes often and is ugly underneath it all, no doubt. ;-)
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So we went from being disappointed over the crappy engine internals to arguing about ground clearance?

So anybody know MSRP?
Personally, I think a lot of the “serious” buyers changed their tune on the S209 when Subaru changed their mind on the forged internals.

Of course there will be those that don’t care, they’re getting an S209 no matter what and good for those people.

We have 0 information on pricing or availability, but people are ready to defend the S209 like they were defending their mothers, lol.

The S209 will be a great car, there’s no doubt it, but I still loathe the fact Subaru BS’d us.
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Old 10-09-2019, 11:26 PM   #1143
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...The S209 will be a great car, there’s no doubt it, but I still loathe the fact Subaru BS’d us.
I don't agree with your wording. That makes it sound as if they knew all along and did it anyway. That just wouldn't make sense. It's clear to me they either made a mistake(assuming since previous S models got them) or STI truly changed their mines later. I lean much to the latter.
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Unlike you, Justy wants to understand things before espousing an opinion. Not everyone wants to be an edgy, obnoxious forum mouthpiece.
He does?...

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I don't agree with your wording. That makes it sound as if they knew all along and did it anyway. That just wouldn't make sense. It's clear to me they either made a mistake(assuming since previous S models got them) or STI truly changed their mines later. I lean much to the latter.
He clearly doesn't understand things and then espouses an opinion.

Regardless of how he communicates it or his sincere want to establish all the facts beforehand, he's just as guilty as anyone else for peddling biased assertions on here.
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He does?...



He clearly doesn't understand things and then espouses an opinion.

Regardless of how he communicates it or his sincere want to establish all the facts beforehand, he's just as guilty as anyone else for peddling biased assertions on here.
Well, here is another one. Please enlighten me on what I "clearly doesn't understand".....
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Old 10-10-2019, 10:15 AM   #1146
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Unlike you, Justy wants to understand things before espousing an opinion. Not everyone wants to be an edgy, obnoxious forum mouthpiece.
Pot meet kettle man.
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Y'all need to **** about your incompatible personalities. Lol.
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Well, here is another one. Please enlighten me on what I "clearly doesn't understand".....
What do you understand from your quoted post? Conjecture guesses and assertions based on your biased opinion in regards to Subaru is hardly considered fact. Here or anywhere. SoD calling out someone's behavior by characterizing you as some Joe Friday is laughable considering what you posted right after.

No offense to you. But where there's nothing, we can only guess. If you have first hand knowledge of Subaru's actions please provide it. Otherwise a mouthpiece is just a mouthpiece.
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Personally, I think a lot of the “serious” buyers changed their tune on the S209 when Subaru changed their mind on the forged internals.

Of course there will be those that don’t care, they’re getting an S209 no matter what and good for those people.

We have 0 information on pricing or availability, but people are ready to defend the S209 like they were defending their mothers, lol.

The S209 will be a great car, there’s no doubt it, but I still loathe the fact Subaru BS’d us.
It's been 15 years of disappoint with the EJ25, so why stop now? The only thing STi had going was the hatchback era and that was killed off. That wide body, the introduction of driving modes, it brought some much needed adrenaline into the model lineup. Now the S209 shows up, there is a lot of exciting news once again to revitalize the line up, only to be bungled up by SOA with backing off the forged internals.

This clearly has soured a lot of people. Also the recent video coverage doesn't show anything to drool over. Yeah the vents/aero are awesome, but the "HKS turbo", crappy seating position and crappy seats???? WTH yo!

Long story short I agree with you, people who want one will buy one regardless of the non-forged bits. Heck I am sure the entire allotment is probably sold already. Those that don't sell will sit on the lots due to markups.

In the mean time I am shopping for a Prius now that my hopes for S209 are shattered.
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Y'all need to **** about your incompatible personalities. Lol.
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