Toyota GR Corolla: Automatic Transmission Set For 2024 Release Date

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Originally Posted by 855T

With the 555 transfer case cooler + Syvecs AWD controller, I spent 80 minutes on track at Chuckwalla on Saturday with 100% AWD and 50% competent driving.

I knew the aftermarket will solve it the minute people were complaining about it. Funny enough the CTR overheats, and has severe issues with the brakes. It will need new braking setup that will be the same $ amount to track fix the GRC, perhaps more $ even, because calipers, rotors, pads, aftermarket to fix, will likely run MORE expensive than the 555 transfer case cooler + Syvecs. The internet is

Do you have an aftermarket oil cooler as well or is it staying low enough to not be enough of a concern in CA?

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[855T]

Originally Posted by Pre

I knew the aftermarket will solve it the minute people were complaining about it. Funny enough the CTR overheats, and has severe issues with the brakes. It will need new braking setup that will be the same $ amount to track fix the GRC, perhaps more $ even, because calipers, rotors, pads, aftermarket to fix, will likely run MORE expensive than the 555 transfer case cooler + Syvecs. The internet is

Do you have an aftermarket oil cooler as well or is it staying low enough to not be enough of a concern in CA?

I run an oil cooler as well, I was approaching 260 on my first day at Buttonwillow and while the oil is probably okay at that temperature, mentally, I am not. I think going up a grade to a -30 probably mitigates shear issues and 260ish would be fine.

The brakes on this car are absolutely incredible. With some Pagid RSL29s, I was on track for two 20 minute sessions separated by 20 minutes and they did not fade. Previously, even on stock pads, I only encountered pedal softness near the end of a session. I'm still considering brake ducting, but it really doesn't seem necessary.

Originally Posted by fredzy

Ah, great to hear. I know there was some concern that the temperatures which determine whether to go into limp mode were calculated, which would make everything trickier. Is that confirmed not to be the case?

So that is the case, the value the car uses to determine when to unclamp the ITCC is an estimated value that looks at things like engine oil temp, calculated load, etc. However, the issue is not with ITCC or rear diff temps, but with the transfer case. So, you cool the transfer case, then replace the calculated value with a hard value: for now, that value is the temperature sender on the ITCC. Soon, it'll be the temperature of the transfer case. The bummer is you need both the cooler and the AWD controller.

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Originally Posted by 855T

I run an oil cooler as well, I was approaching 260 on my first day at Buttonwillow and while the oil is probably okay at that temperature, mentally, I am not. I think going up a grade to a -30 probably mitigates shear issues and 260ish would be fine.

The brakes on this car are absolutely incredible. With some Pagid RSL29s, I was on track for two 20 minute sessions separated by 20 minutes and they did not fade. Previously, even on stock pads, I only encountered pedal softness near the end of a session. I'm still considering brake ducting, but it really doesn't seem necessary.

I’m running 5w30 because mine is almost 100% a back roads (B roads) annihilator. Track days I’d definitely go 5w40. Limit 1 and few more tuners have already figured it out. 0W20 is an absolute joke 0W is for cold start emissions testing and -20 is for CAFE testing. 5w30 or 5w40 should be in the manual, but the good ol’ EPA…..

I did the OEM brake ducting (2024 update), bolts, etc. Pretty easy upgrade. Doing the brake ducts was 10X easier than those F’in bolts.

Ohlins R/T’s, 555, Syvecs, and the oil cooler will be the first major aftermarket upgrades for mine. So far, aftermarket, just the pitch mount. Just dumped all the OEM fluids for Amsoil oil/lube last weekend. And put my winters on last week. Looking forward to the winter beatings in the corners. I noticed an immediate improvement with the Pitch mount, then again with Amsoil MTF. I just bought another bike or I’d be well into this bish already.

It was funny to watch the pooping by Mark. Once the aftermarket 555/Syvecs, he was “it’s a joy to drive” and fawning all over it.

[VarmintCong]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

I still have my eye on one of these. Prices have come down a bit, depending on where you live and where you're willing to travel. I'm in Phoenix now, so my options are pretty open. I'm hoping I can nab one within a year. Got a lot of stuff planned for next year, but I really miss driving a fun, manual car.

Good to see the aftermarket support for the potential transmission issue.

Do dealers give GRC test drives? I'd go ask myself but still in Taiwan for 7 more months.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by VarmintCong

Do dealers give GRC test drives? I'd go ask myself but still in Taiwan for 7 more months.

test drive is going to depend on the dealer, and obviously whether they even have one sitting on the lot not sold.

[quentinberg007]

Should be able to get one now. My local dealership had 2 ('24 and '25) when I stopped by on Friday.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

Should be able to get one now. My local dealership had 2 ('24 and '25) when I stopped by on Friday.

I need to call and see if any local dealer has any. I have STILL yet to see one in person.

[VarmintCong]

Originally Posted by samagon

test drive is going to depend on the dealer, and obviously whether they even have one sitting on the lot not sold.

My local dealer had one in the showroom last June, by next June I'm hoping I can get a test drive.

I'm planning to get a Type R, but will give the GRC a shot if I can test drive.

[quentinberg007]

Originally Posted by VarmintCong

My local dealer had one in the showroom last June, by next June I'm hoping I can get a test drive.

I'm planning to get a Type R, but will give the GRC a shot if I can test drive.

IMO, the Celica may be a more direct fighter against the CTR as far as dimensions and body style. My WAG is that it will be a 4 door coupe with the wheelbase of the Corolla sedan (longer than the hatch), 2.0T, AWD.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

IMO, the Celica may be a more direct fighter against the CTR as far as dimensions and body style. My WAG is that it will be a 4 door coupe with the wheelbase of the Corolla sedan (longer than the hatch), 2.0T, AWD.

I'm very curious about the Celica. I'd love it to be an actual 2-door coupe with AWD and a manual, but it will most certainly be a 4-door coupe.

[quentinberg007]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

I'm very curious about the Celica. I'd love it to be an actual 2-door coupe with AWD and a manual, but it will most certainly be a 4-door coupe.

The G16 swapped GR 86 was cool as hell, but I think the marketing department will effectively demand that it is a 4 door. 2 door just doesn't have much demand anymore in the larger market especially considering that the 86 and Supra are there to fill that 2 door need. Notably absent, from a body style perspective, in Toyota's lineup is a performance 4 door that is a little more family friendly.

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Originally Posted by quentinberg007

Notably absent, from a body style perspective, in Toyota's lineup is a performance 4 door that is a little more family friendly.

The GRC is the more family friendly GR product. GR Supra/GR86, 2 doors. Proposed Celica is supposed to be 2 doors. GRC, 4 doors. Outside of America, they refer to it as the more stable platform, compared to the GRY, and more family friendly.

https://youtu.be/aVcwEQYDrWQ?si=tiaiTb_dqlQnJ7hS

[quentinberg007]

Originally Posted by Pre

The GRC is the more family friendly GR product. GR Supra/GR86, 2 doors. Proposed Celica is supposed to be 2 doors. GRC, 4 doors. Outside of America, they refer to it as the more stable platform, compared to the GRY, and more family friendly.

https://youtu.be/aVcwEQYDrWQ?si=tiaiTb_dqlQnJ7hS

It is more family friendly than the 86 and Supra, but the crowded rear legroom, small rear doors, and high floor / sloped glass trunk are regular demerits in reviews versus the CTR. The corolla sedan is only something like 9" longer, but the longer wheelbase does add 3" of rear legroom space straight up. That's often the difference maker between a car seat fitting and not. The talk of a new 2.0T also nullifies that worry that the car is getting too bloated for the powertrain. That was definitely a concern I had when it was first rumored that the GRC was getting the G16 from the Yaris.

Maybe the marketing team at Toyota sees it differently, but just based on their reluctance to bring the GR Yaris here, I don't see them going more niche regarding segment when the Celica hits. The Integra also moved to 4 door when it was reintroduced. I expect that the Celica will keep the traditional lift back but add 2 more doors.

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Originally Posted by quentinberg007

It is more family friendly than the 86 and Supra, but the crowded rear legroom, small rear doors, and high floor / sloped glass trunk are regular demerits in reviews versus the CTR.

Not for performance driving. Demerits by who? People who want to drive it to the store? People that want to use it in the elementary school drop off line? There are better vehicles for that. It was never built for that purpose. The CTR is Accord sized. Imagine what it could be if it was smaller, and had the same SH-AWD system that I own in another vehicle, or better yet, a more performance variant of their SH-AWD. Fun times, where performance cars, the priority is for the family portion of it instead of actually driving the thing around corners, for which is was built. Apparently, the GRC is selling for what Yota had planned. It takes so much more time to manufacture compared to their other products. It must be hitting their metrics or it would have been cancelled already. Honestly they’d sell more, and make more $ if it was a GR-CUV thing. Well it isn’t so Yota actually still cares about making a drivers car. And so far they view Performance > Family Truckster, which is the way it should be.

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

The corolla sedan is only something like 9" longer, but the longer wheelbase does add 3" of rear legroom space straight up. That's often the difference maker between a car seat fitting and not. The talk of a new 2.0T also nullifies that worry that the car is getting too bloated for the powertrain. That was definitely a concern I had when it was first rumored that the GRC was getting the G16 from the Yaris.

It would decrease handling dynamics making it bigger and longer. And that would probably make it heavier as well. It’s a performance car first, not 2nd, or 3rd. They used, or started with a chassis that remained, imported, into the USDM. Bespoke, it would have added a lot of cost. No Yaris, no GRY, actually pretty simple. They give us a bigger version, and people here still complain.
This is why manus end up saying “nothing”. Look at Subaru, and Mitsubishi as examples.

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

Maybe the marketing team at Toyota sees it differently, but just based on their reluctance to bring the GR Yaris here, I don't see them going more niche regarding segment when the Celica hits. The Integra also moved to 4 door when it was reintroduced. I expect that the Celica will keep the traditional lift back but add 2 more doors.

I hope not. Celica is supposed to be 2 doors, not 4. It was not their reluctance to bring the GRY here whatsoever. It was the fact that they had to pull the regular Yaris from the USDM. Why did that occur? Because Murica. Everything has to be larger, heavier, etc. The Honda Fit went the way of the dodo also. And it had 4 doors, so the # of doors wasn’t the issue, it was the size. Y’all are already complaining about the GRC, which is the same interior size, more or less, as my Focus RS, or STi hatch. It’s supposed to be a rally inspired vehicle, not a family truckster. It’s funny to read. You won’t find the same comments about the GR86 or Supra, that either needs to be a family truckster. You don’t read comments like that about the Mustang, or a Cayman. I guess that’s because 2 doors. 4 doors, here comes the whining. Honestly I wish it was the GRY we got instead, it’d be parked in my garage, and I’d enjoy reading the complaining even more “It’s too small! Why did they do this?”

[quentinberg007]

Let's be clear; the GRC size is obviously fine with me. I purchased one. I like the small size and wider track/fenders/etc slapped onto a compact body. I'm not asking for a bigger vehicle. I'm not saying it is a failure in the market. I'm simply pointing out that the "it's smaller than the CTR/Golf R/WRX" has been a common comment in reviews.

Despite what makes for a better performance car, there is a market for a larger performance car from Toyota. M3 exists along side the M2 and M4. M5 exists above the M3. People with 2 kids want to have fun, too, and I expect that the number of people in that segment outnumber of the number of people that absolutely demand a 2 door, AWD, compact. I think the Celica will be brought back to fill that market.

TBH, I could definitely see the GR 86 picking up AWD option when they ditch the boxer engine with next generation to fill that AWD, 2 door, compact need. Getting that flat engine out of the space between the front hubs will open up space for a differential or motor driven front wheels.

[samagon]

the Celica cannot be a 4 door. I mean, obviously, it can, but it shouldn't be.

[VarmintCong]

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

IMO, the Celica may be a more direct fighter against the CTR as far as dimensions and body style. My WAG is that it will be a 4 door coupe with the wheelbase of the Corolla sedan (longer than the hatch), 2.0T, AWD.

I’ve been hoping for a next gen GRC that ditches the silly Fiat Abarth-like crimped body style, I want a more traditional hatch shape.

I’m ok with a Civic hatch style as well, it’s practical, but I just prefer the hatch look.

I need a car next summer so a Celica would be too late for me.

[VarmintCong]

Originally Posted by Pre

Not for performance driving. Demerits by who? People who want to drive it to the store? People that want to use it in the elementary school drop off line? There are better vehicles for that. It was never built for that purpose. The CTR is Accord sized. Imagine what it could be if it was smaller, and had the same SH-AWD system that I own in another vehicle, or better yet, a more performance variant of their SH-AWD. Fun times, where performance cars, the priority is for the family portion of it instead of actually driving the thing around corners, for which is was built. Apparently, the GRC is selling for what Yota had planned. It takes so much more time to manufacture compared to their other products. It must be hitting their metrics or it would have been cancelled already. Honestly they'd sell more, and make more $ if it was a GR-CUV thing. Well it isn't so Yota actually still cares about making a drivers car. And so far they view Performance > Family Truckster, which is the way it should be.



It would decrease handling dynamics making it bigger and longer. And that would probably make it heavier as well. It's a performance car first, not 2nd, or 3rd. They used, or started with a chassis that remained, imported, into the USDM. Bespoke, it would have added a lot of cost. No Yaris, no GRY, actually pretty simple. They give us a bigger version, and people here still complain.
This is why manus end up saying "nothing". Look at Subaru, and Mitsubishi as examples.



I hope not. Celica is supposed to be 2 doors, not 4. It was not their reluctance to bring the GRY here whatsoever. It was the fact that they had to pull the regular Yaris from the USDM. Why did that occur? Because Murica. Everything has to be larger, heavier, etc. The Honda Fit went the way of the dodo also. And it had 4 doors, so the # of doors wasn't the issue, it was the size. Y'all are already complaining about the GRC, which is the same interior size, more or less, as my Focus RS, or STi hatch. It's supposed to be a rally inspired vehicle, not a family truckster. It's funny to read. You won't find the same comments about the GR86 or Supra, that either needs to be a family truckster. You don't read comments like that about the Mustang, or a Cayman. I guess that's because 2 doors. 4 doors, here comes the whining. Honestly I wish it was the GRY we got instead, it'd be parked in my garage, and I'd enjoy reading the complaining even more "It's too small! Why did they do this?"

You're acting as if carmakers give people what they want. They don't. I'm not convinced the GRC sells better than a GRY would have, because as we said, it's barely more practical than a GRY, not enough that anyone is going to buy it for the back seat.

The GRC back seat is too small for car seats and too small for bigger kids. So it's useful for people with kids aged like 7-9.

If Toyota were smart they'd make next gen be a GRC sedan (just don't make it bigger than the current gen sedan), and a Celica coupe (again, don't make it huge). A GRC sedan would look better and be more practical, and probably perform just as well. America hates hatchbacks, don't know what Toyota was thinking there.

[VarmintCong]

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

Let's be clear; the GRC size is obviously fine with me. I purchased one. I like the small size and wider track/fenders/etc slapped onto a compact body. I'm not asking for a bigger vehicle. I'm not saying it is a failure in the market. I'm simply pointing out that the "it's smaller than the CTR/Golf R/WRX" has been a common comment in reviews.

Despite what makes for a better performance car, there is a market for a larger performance car from Toyota. M3 exists along side the M2 and M4. M5 exists above the M3. People with 2 kids want to have fun, too, and I expect that the number of people in that segment outnumber of the number of people that absolutely demand a 2 door, AWD, compact. I think the Celica will be brought back to fill that market.

TBH, I could definitely see the GR 86 picking up AWD option when they ditch the boxer engine with next generation to fill that AWD, 2 door, compact need. Getting that flat engine out of the space between the front hubs will open up space for a differential or motor driven front wheels.

Toyota should make a Lexus GRC model that's bigger and fancier inside. That would probably sell better than a bigger Toyota model with the usual Toyota crap interior.

[quentinberg007]

Originally Posted by VarmintCong

You're acting as if carmakers give people what they want. They don't. I'm not convinced the GRC sells better than a GRY would have, because as we said, it's barely more practical than a GRY, not enough that anyone is going to buy it for the back seat.

The GRC back seat is too small for car seats and too small for bigger kids. So it's useful for people with kids aged like 7-9.

If Toyota were smart they'd make next gen be a GRC sedan (just don't make it bigger than the current gen sedan), and a Celica coupe (again, don't make it huge). A GRC sedan would look better and be more practical, and probably perform just as well. America hates hatchbacks, don't know what Toyota was thinking there.

Have you been in a GRY? I have. It's freaking tiny in the back seats and the trunk. The GRC is significantly more practical.

Comfort in the GRC depends how big the driver is. At 5'8", my 5' tall 12 year old fits fine in the back. It isn't our road trip vehicle, but it isn't like this is a GR 86 or something.

I'd be significantly less interested in a Corolla sedan than the hatch.

[VarmintCong]

Originally Posted by quentinberg007

Have you been in a GRY? I have. It's freaking tiny in the back seats and the trunk. The GRC is significantly more practical.

Comfort in the GRC depends how big the driver is. At 5'8", my 5' tall 12 year old fits fine in the back. It isn't our road trip vehicle, but it isn't like this is a GR 86 or something.

I'd be significantly less interested in a Corolla sedan than the hatch.

Yeah, I'm 6'2" so my perspective is a bit skewed. But there's no excuse for Toyota, our Focus hatch is 1" shorter than the Corolla hatch and has 3-4" more rear legroom and a much bigger hatch. It's just a bad design.

[Benhart21]

Originally Posted by VarmintCong

Toyota should make a Lexus GRC model that's bigger and fancier inside. That would probably sell better than a bigger Toyota model with the usual Toyota crap interior.

They already do outside the US; The Lexus LBX Morizo RR. https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/lexus/41233559.html

[samagon]

Originally Posted by VarmintCong

The GRC back seat is too small for car seats and too small for bigger kids. So it's useful for people with kids aged like 7-9.

this is absolutely false.

I have 2 car seats in the back on my GRC. one of them for my older kid is forward facing, the other is still rear. both I and my wife fit comfortably in the front.

while my wife isn't tall, I am just under 6' and with the front seat adjusted for me to comfortably drive, I can comfortably sit behind myself.

I don't have some randomly long torso and short legs, but I'll grant that I do sit in my seat so that my butt is all the way back (not slouched), and my left knee is ever so slightly bent when I have the clutch pressed to the floor and I am not wearing shoes (I wear flip flops 90% of the time, so I drive barefoot).

so I do acknowledge that a lot of people slouch, I do acknowledge that a lot of people have about an extra inch from their platform shoes, I do acknowledge that a lot of people fully extend their knee when pressing the clutch fully the floor, again another inch. so yeah, I probably have my seat about 4" or more closer to the steering wheel than most people.

anyway, baby seats fit fine.

in fact, I can even get 2 strollers in the back, plus all the day equipment we need for 2 kids under 3.

if it was my only family car, aka, my wife couldn't drive for instance, I'd get something else, but as a backup family car, it's more than adequately doable.

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Originally Posted by VarmintCong

You're acting as if carmakers give people what they want. They don't. I'm not convinced the GRC sells better than a GRY would have, because as we said, it's barely more practical than a GRY, not enough that anyone is going to buy it for the back seat.

The GRC back seat is too small for car seats and too small for bigger kids. So it's useful for people with kids aged like 7-9.

If Toyota were smart they'd make next gen be a GRC sedan (just don't make it bigger than the current gen sedan), and a Celica coupe (again, don't make it huge). A GRC sedan would look better and be more practical, and probably perform just as well. America hates hatchbacks, don't know what Toyota was thinking there.

You aren't convinced? You should take a look at markets where the GRY and GRC are sold. Lots of folks chose the latter. They state they bought the GRC because it is the more practical choice out of them and have no problem family truckstering it.

Car seats and "bigger kids" and performance car shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence really. Samagon has just stated, he makes it work. You take the hit and make it work, or you straight up buy something else. This is a performance car not something you buy to drive cross country to Wally World. It's stiff, and built for tackling corners. There are 100 vehicles better for child seats, and ferrying children about. You can buy small, medium, large versions. Versions with pretty quick motors and stats. But you want to choose a rally inspired hatchback that is small compared to fat American usual choices for vehicles and turn it into another fat American vehicle choice? They don't use big sedans in WRC. They use small hatchbacks.

Toyota is smart, and have had no problem selling small 3 door GRY's for years. Europe had over a year waiting list last time I checked and every market where the GRC sells, they are moving them. Apparently America does NOT hate hatchbacks. Golf R, CTR, GRC, all sell, all are hatchbacks and all come at a price premium, and yet they sell. The yelling for a sedan isn't loud by any means. You sound like a disgruntled Subaru customer? So they should make it a sedan and put a big ironing board on the back too?

[Sid03SVT]

I was going to quote a bunch of you, then I decided not to.

I am one of those people that wants the lightest & smallest possible vehicle that can meet my bare minimum requirements (2+2). I would take a GRY over a GRC, but would be swayed by a wagon variant of either due to the added practicality.

Admittedly, my requirements are fluid; when I was looking for a "one vehicle to rule them all" I wanted a lightweight, manual trans, RWD wagon with roof racks & a tow rating; I only let my 06 WRX wagon go in 2019 because I was sick of working on it every weekend, wasting precious time that I could have been spending with my children, while waiting for a replacement model to hit the market.

That didn't happen, so I gave up; I bought a RWD Lexus IS350 F-sport sedan. saddled with an 8-spd auto, however, super low maintenance, cheap & easy maintenance (especially compared to a Subaru); I can turn the nannies off completely and bang the rev limiter as much as I want in "manual sport+" mode. Worth noting, out of the box, it outperformed my heavily modified WRX IN EVERY METRIC, except the intangible "driving experience"; it's a very cushioned/muted experience.

I started looking for a modern replacement early this year, as I bought the IS as an "in between" car; there was nothing on the market that checked a reasonable amount of my boxes while being at a price point I was comfortable with.
-IS500: V8 noises & Lexus reliability, but still an 8spd auto, 4,000lbs & well over 60k MSRP
-CT4VBW: 6mt, but a V6TT that I hate, GM reliability, 4,000lbs & well over 60k MSRP
-BMW M3: S58 & 6mt, but, at a minimum, 80k MSRP, BMW maintenance costs, and north of 4,000lbs.
-Toyota GRC: I didn't want AWD, especially not FWD based AWD, coupled with its limited availability, made it a non-starter

Then I looked at a two-vehicle situation:
-GR86/BRZ: ****ty engine, honestly that's it, really ****ty engine; I hate the FA-series, I didn't care for the USDM EJ either, but, somehow, the FA is worse.
-Mustang: 4,000lbs; lets be honest, the only good part is the Coyote engine.
-Camaro: Serious investment/R&D in the chassis, suspension & driving dynamics, buuut 4,000lbs, every blind spot & GM reliability (outside of the LS).

I finally said "screw it". I picked up a recently restored 1963 Sunbeam Alpine; it weighs ~2100lbs, has a removable hard top & is 2+2 (I have to install seatbelts in the back so the kids can ride with us). It only has 99BHP (which is like ~65USDMHP), but that means I get to run it out to redline in every gear without speeding, and let me tell you, this car is invigorating & engaging at any speed (driving a slow car fast).
When I feel inclined, and it's going to happen, the car will accept a SBF without major surgery (The Tiger was a thing). It only has ~2,300 miles on it post-restoration; however, if I do an engine swap, it's likely going to be a K-series; I prefer a winder over high horsepower, and ~200-250whp in a 2,100lb car will be amazingly fun, especially at ~9,000RPM.

I hate newer tech-laden cars and will continue to do so until they are significantly lighter & are enjoyable to drive again.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not some luddite who hates technology, I just prefer lightweight vehicles that require the driver to be engaged in the driving experience, rather than being forced to rely on (and contend with) all of the "driver assist" items that fight me over lane position, but flake out in major metros or rural areas where lane markings are ambiguous, auto-brake when someone in front of me is turning off of the road, as well as the incessant beeping, for, everything and anything; not to mention the touchscreens/lack of physical controls.

So the Lexus will be my winter beater until I replace it.