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Old 02-05-2020, 05:30 AM   #1
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The next product life cycle of America’s longest running and arguably most iconic muscle car nameplate is set to begin in 2022, per a LinkedIn job listing from Ford Motor Company found by Mustang6G. We’re talking of course of the S650 Ford Mustang, and like before, it will still be built in Flat Rock, Michigan.

Per the job listing, Ford is seeking a “wind/road noise and air leakage plant vehicle team (PVT) engineer” that will work out of the Flat Rock plant. It goes on to say that this person will have the “final sign off on the Ford 2023 Mustang S650 vehicle program before it goes to the customers.”

Originally, the S650 Ford Mustang was slated to launch as soon as this year, but it appears to have been pushed back to the 2023 model year. Besides, what’s the rush, anyway? As Dodge has shown, these products simply need to age gracefully on a long timeline for the formula to work.

Before the curtain calls for the current-generation S550 Ford Mustang, expect a few more surprises. Previous reports eluded to the resurrection of the Mustang Mach 1 coming back for the 2021 model year, while the Bullitt special edition package is set to retire. It could be a hybrid, but that info remains a closely guarded secret for now.

2019 saw Ford Mustang sales down 4.4 percent compared to the previous year, but still on top of the Dodge Challenger and Chevrolet Camaro in total volume. It was enough to earn the title for America’s best-selling sports car for a fifth straight year.

Aside from the launch of the 2020 Shelby GT500, the Mustang lineup has seen a steady freshening of performance updates from top to bottom. This includes the punchy Mustang EcoBoost High Performance Pack, as well as enhancements to the Mustang Shelby GT350.

Meanwhile, we can’t seem to find any job listing hinting at a 2023 Chevrolet Camaro.

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Hopefully they LinkedIn an engine team that can figure out the 2k rattles and typewriter tick.
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For some reason, I give mine a pass because it's an American car.

Also, anyone placing bets that the next gen Mustang will be bigger and heavier than the S550?
Put $100,000 down to win $1.00.


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For some reason, I give mine a pass because it's an American car.

Also, anyone placing bets that the next gen Mustang will be bigger and heavier than the S550?
Put $100,000 down to win $1.00.


My first car was a foxbody mustang gt, so they’re really dear to me. The new ones seem great so I looked into them. They’re almost 190 inches long now! A modern STI is 181 inches.

It’s insane.
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It needs to be smaller and lighter - but that's never going to happen. If that was a part of the reason for the S650's delay, it would give hope to those who detest the size and weight gain trend in modern pony cars but, it's doubtful.
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It’s not often that we give a damn about who or what Ford is hiring, but this time around, a new job posting for an engineer at the Wind/Road Noise and Air Leakage Plant has exposed when the next-generation Mustang will actually arrive. So, if you’re itching to see what the next-gen Mustang will look like, the wait isn’t going to be long at all.

The Next-Gen Mustang Debuts in 2022

The Next-Generation Ford Mustang Will Arrive in 2022 as a 2023 model!
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It seems hard to believe that Ford would put this kind of information out there for everyone to find, but perhaps the incentive of signing off on the S650 Mustang is more than enough to inspire people to actually apply. The new job listing is for an engineer at Ford’s Wind/Road Noise Air Leakage Plant in Flat Rock, Mi. But what is more interesting is the opening line of the job posting:

“Be part of the proud team to deliver Ford and Lincoln quality on the current model Mustang (S550) and be the final sign off on the Ford 2023 Mustang S650 vehicle program before it goes to the customers.”

The Next-Generation Ford Mustang Will Arrive in 2022 as a 2023 model! Exterior
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The original listing was found on LinkedIn by the folks over at Mustang6G forums nad, if you click on the link, you’ll be directed to one of Ford’s websites with an extended version of the job ad.

This comes after a previous report by Automotive News claimed that the next-gen Mustang would come sometime in 2020 and after Ford’s CEO, Jim Hackett, pushed the release back by a year. Now, without any official announcement, it looks like the seventh-gen Mustang is being pushed back even further. It will debut in 2022 as a 2023 model.

The Next-Generation Ford Mustang Will Arrive in 2022 as a 2023 model! Exterior
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Of course, this isn’t as big a deal as it sounds. The current Mustang has only been on the market for five years (it launched back in 2015) and was mildly revised in 2018 while the 2019 Shleby GT350 saw some fairly significant updates in 2019. So, it’s not like the current generation is that old. Plus, there’s also the rumor that a new Ford Mustang Mach 1 is set to arrive sometime in 2020 for the 2021 model year and should actually be revealed sometime in the coming months – possibly at the 2020 Detroit Auto Show. If the Mach 1 Mustang slated for debut this year isn’t a hybrid model, you can also expect a hybrid V-8 mustang to arrive sometime this year as well.

For now, we know absolutely nothing about the next-gen Mustang outside of the fact that it’s, obviously, already in development. As we learn more, we’ll be sure to bring it to you, so stay tuned!

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Putting the mustang on a diet would be nice, but the cars are built to a price point, so unless the the platform is lighter than the old platform and/or they shorten the wheelbase I'm not holding my breath. Maybe it gets an aluminum or high strength steel roof, aluminum fenders & hood (not sure if the current one is already using aluminum in any of those spots or not).
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For some reason, I give mine a pass because it's an American car.

Also, anyone placing bets that the next gen Mustang will be bigger and heavier than the S550?
Put $100,000 down to win $1.00.


I do as well. I figure a small V8 revving beyond 7k RPM's and still giving 20+MPG is going to make some noise. But it does leave a lot to be desired if you spec one out in the mid 40's-to low 50's.
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I'm sure I'd love the extra hp the latest version provides, but man I still love my '16 GT. Too big, too fat? For a (435hp, 6spd, NA-V8) GT weekend car, I find those complaints childish.
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Going from S197 into S550, focus groups didn't want a smaller Mustang. People, in general, didn't want a smaller Mustang, in fact, they wanted more room inside.
GM didn't listen to people, shrank Camaro, and look at them now...
The best we can hope for is a S650 that is not gaining any weight.
Another one is Challenger, its bones are heavy and it needs a new platform bad.
But, the moment FCA makes it smaller inside is the moment they start loosing customers.
Same with Charger. Some people like 'em big and roomy.
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Smaller outside doesn't mean smaller inside. It's not like there's zero room for more efficient use of space.
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Smaller outside doesn't mean smaller inside. It's not like there's zero room for more efficient use of space.
Yes, I agree. And, Ford made improvements to S550 to make things roomier inside compared to S197.
They cut into the dashboard to improve room around the knees for instance.
All I'm saying is that there's an existing customer base for these cars; some manus may exercise caution before making drastic dimension/size changes; some other manus may not.
A smaller/lighter Mustang with a good amount of room inside is a very good thing but it's up to Ford to find out what people really want.
Or maybe it's worth exploring the introduction a newer/lighter model altogether, maybe an affordable Ford GT of sorts.
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For sure. I think a BRZ sized Mustang would go over like a wet fart with most Mustang buyers.

However, at 188 inches that's a really big car for it's interior space. A new Outback is 191 inches for reference. A modern Civic Sedan is under 183 inches. The Mustang is BIG and it's not like it's huge inside.
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Another one is Challenger, its bones are heavy and it needs a new platform bad.
But, the moment FCA makes it smaller inside is the moment they start loosing customers.
Same with Charger. Some people like 'em big and roomy.
Both cars are big but not roomy. I've rented a challenger twice now, and as long and wide as the car is, it's really not that roomy on the inside. The dash is too long and cuts into the usable interior space. The back seats are barely usable.
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Latest intel reinforces dealer claims of new-generation S650 muscle car coming next year.

A new report out of the US has seemingly confirmed the next-generation ‘S650’ Ford Mustang will enter production in March 2023 – news that dovetails nicely with our previous coverage of local Mustang supply forecasts.

The ‘confirmation’ was made by the Autoline Network YouTube channel, which cited AutoForecast Solutions – a US-based automotive database – and echoed previous speculation surrounding electrification, specifically hybridisation.

According to several reports by Ford Authority, all-wheel drive is anticipated to feature somewhere within the next-gen Mustang range, while the first electrified variant could launch as soon as 2025.

In contrast, other reports suggest that hybrid tech will be applied to both the turbocharged 2.3-litre four-cylinder engine and the booming 5.0-litre Coyote V8, and that the new Mustang’s underpinnings will be an evolution of the current S550 rather than an all-new architecture.



If these timeline predictions prove true, the Blue Oval’s all-new pony car could be on Aussie soil by the end of next year – broadly in line with what local dealers told carsales back in November as Mustang wait times blew out beyond six months and possibly into the next generation.

More weight is added that argument when examining the local 2021 and 2022 Ford Mustang line-ups and some of the other prospective variants that could find their way Down Under.

Last year the Blue Oval launched the limited-run Ford Mustang Mach 1 before then replacing it in the 2022 model year with the cosmetically-enhanced GT California Special; a variant fast-tracked from the US within two months of its Stateside reveal.

The track-only ‘Line Lock’ burnout function has also been added to the MY22 range as standard.

Combine the arrival of the new flagship and inclusion of the Line Lock function and it becomes clear Ford is trying to maintain interest in the aging S550 Mustang, which arrived in Australia in 2015, not only to drive sales and revenue but also to help exhaust the remaining production run.

Releasing special-edition, limited-run and up-specced variants late in a model’s lifecycle is hardly a new practise within the industry, where some of the more recent examples include the 2021 Subaru WRX STI EJ25 Final Edition, 2021 Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition and 2021 Toyota LandCruiser Sahara Horizon.
As we’ve previously reported, expect a few other jazzed up Mustangs to emerge before the end of the year, including the Stealth Edition Appearance Package for the 2.3-litre High Performance variants.

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My first car was a foxbody mustang gt, so they’re really dear to me. The new ones seem great so I looked into them. They’re almost 190 inches long now! A modern STI is 181 inches.

It’s insane.
New Civic sedan is 184". Time to make the Mustang bigger.
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190" inches is average these days. The current Accord is over 196" long.
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Hybrid setup? That's going to be one heavy pony.
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190" inches is average these days. The current Accord is over 196" long.
Accord is a mid-size, mustang is classified as a compact.

compact sedans with longitudinal layout:
IS350 is 185.4
Q50 is 189.6
CT4-V is 187.2-187.6

Compact coupes with longitudinal layout:
Mustang is 188.3
Camaro is 188.3-190.2 (longer length might be for the aero pack cars?)

Compacts with transverse layout (WRX is longitudinal, but a Flat 4 so shorter than a V6/V8)
WRX is 180.9
civic is 179-184 (hatch vs. sedan)
mazda3 is 175.6-183.5 (hatch vs sedan)

All Mustangs:
1st gen
64-66 181.6
67-68 183.6
69-70 187.5
71-73 189.5
2nd/M-II - 175.0
3rd/Fox - 179.6
4th/SN95 - 181.5
5th/s197 - 188.0
6th/S550 - 188.3

7th gen/S650 will get bigger still, maybe Ford will hit the reset button again so we can have a truly compact mustang.
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There is nothing compact about a Mustang.
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Hybrid setup? That's going to be one heavy pony.
Bertha is the in thing right now. GR Yaris? Nope, too small for Murica! You get the large combo meal sized deal instead. Mustang, bigger, heavier. Pretty soon the current “it’s light at 2800 pounds” is gonna be “wow it’s light at 3800 pounds.”

I mean geez the M3P weighs as much as my truck.
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This article includes independent illustrations made by CarScoops’ artist Josh Byrnes based on 2024 Mustang prototypes caught by our spies as well as our own intel. The renders are neither related to nor endorsed by Ford.
Ford’s sixth-generation Mustang has been a stellar success for the Dearborn automaker, with its global outreach winning new fans from America to Australia. A nip-tuck here and there has kept it fresh, yet time is nigh for a new, wholly reworked pony car to tackle the world.

See: We Digitally Uncover The 2023 Dodge Hornet Compact SUV

Our photographic sleuths have snapped the next, seventh-generation Mustang, codenamed S650, wearing heavy camouflage. So armed with that aesthetic intel and a couple of internal leaks, we’ve dived into everything we know about the S550’s successor.
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Our artist’s impression of the production version of the 2024 Ford Mustang GT. Illustrations Josh Byrnes


You may notice that the proportions, hardpoints and roofline are almost the same as the current car. Why? Well, it’s not quite the ground-up redesign you’d expect. Rumor has it that the S650 was to be based on the newer rear-drive Lincoln Aviator/Explorer platform, but it appears that plan fell through.
It’s still a damn thorough redesign; the styling is sharper, tense and almost retro. The GT variant sports a bold Mach 1-inspired lower bumper with gaping intakes and a Focus RS-like grille. That grille will be a talking point for many – it’s smaller than it looks (which is a good thing in this context) due to its solid, contrasting trapezoidal frame.

The slim matrix headlamps incorporate three U-shaped DRL elements, whilst the hood rocks a flatter profile with a central crease. Changes to the side profile consist of taut sheet metal surfacing, crisp C-channel sculpting and harder haunches. The LED tri-bar taillamps sit at a more aggressive angle, whilst quad exhausts and squared-off rear bumper help cement the GT’s go-fast look.
New Tech, Retro Throwback Inside



Ford has cashed in on the popularity of the Fox Body Mustangs of the 80s with cabin styling influenced by the square-edged drag racer favorite. Overlaying spy imagery of the new car over the third-gen interior shows just how much Ford designers have had fun using it as an influence.


So, what are the main changes? Well, it loses its dual-cowl dashboard for a conventional, more driver-oriented setup and key physical buttons angled towards the driver. Other noteworthy items include a flat-bottomed steering wheel, squared-off air vents and a traditional gear shifter, and we expect higher-quality materials too.

Tech goodies include a one-piece digital instrument cluster and infotainment screen running Ford’s latest Sync 4 operating system that supports wireless Apple CarPlay, Android Auto and over-the-air updates (OTA). USB-C and USB outlets, wireless charging and a suite of driver safety and convenience assists will also feature.


Long Live the V8 – For Now

Our artist’s impression of the production 2024 Ford Mustang GT. Illustrations Josh Byrnes / Carscoops


Unlike other automakers, the Blue Oval is not sacrificing the Mustang GT’s key draw-card – the venerable 5.0-litre Coyote V8. It’s also the one piece of the puzzle they’re keeping close to their chest. Some reports suggest that the five-oh will receive calibration tweaks here and there, while others indicate that hybrid electrification will be employed.

The most likely candidate for partial electrification is the 2.3-litre EcoBoost inline-four powering lower specification grades. If so, the battery-assisted powertrain will deliver V8 performance with a fraction of the fuel burn. Power will continue to be fed to the rear wheels, although you can bet Ford’s development team is keeping a close eye on the folks over at GM and their upcoming hybridized, all-wheel-drive Corvette.
Rivals And Reveal

A camouflaged prototype of the S650-codenamed 2024 Mustang above, and an allegedly leaked brochure shot below that was shared by Steeda


The Mustang’s closest rivals are the Dodge Challenger and Chevrolet Camaro. Yet, both are going away to be reincarnated – the Dodge as electrified muscle, and Chevrolet possibly as an EV performance sedan (or so the conjecture mill tells us). This leaves the Mustang in a unique space largely to itself. Sure, there are the likes of Toyota’s Supra and Nissan’s rejuvenated Z, but neither offers a thundering, naturally aspirated V8.
A report from Car & Driver suggests a world premiere may take place as early as next April as a 2024 model year offering, with production set to continue at Ford’s Flat Rock facility.

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It’s insane.
I know, the Mustang is as long as a Civic sedan. Ridiculous.
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So says a report citing Ford insiders. The S650-generation will remain rear-drive, and entirely gas-powered.

Perhaps the rumors were too good to be true? We had been intrigued, maybe even excited, about the various reports, leaks, and hints that the upcoming 2024 Ford Mustang (known internally as the S650-generation) would diversify its powertrain offerings. While we expected the 5.0-liter V-8 to return, it wasn't clear if it might sport a hybrid system—according to one LinkedIn profile, that was a possibility. Same goes for the 2.3-liter EcoBoost turbocharged I-4. And we haven't even gotten to the all-wheel-drive rumors yet. Now, it seems, these unconventional (for a Mustang) configurations may be dead on arrival.

The latest twist comes to us from Automotive News, which cites sources familiar with the company's plans. According to the report, these powertrain and driveline variants were indeed in the works, but they've been scrapped as Ford seeks, it seems, to maximize its return on the profitable vehicle.

As AN points out, the S650 is fairly conventional anyways, building heavily off the Mustang of today—the S550. Keeping it rear-drive and conventionally powered reduces cost and complexity, and also simplifies marketing messaging. AN also notes that Ford wants to stretch the S650's lifecycle to a full eight years, up from the normal six.


Keeping the Mustang conventional, and on sale for longer, gives Ford some breathing room to determine how to take the original pony car version of what is now a Mustang sub-brand (that includes the Mustang Mach-E electric crossover) into the next era. After all, an eight-year product cycle would put the next-next-generation Mustang well into the timeframe where most automakers will be transforming their lineups to fully embrace electrification.

It's not clear at this point if an internal combustion engine will survive in the post-S650 world, but it seems unlikely. That could make the S650 the last gas-powered Ford Mustang. At least it'll be very familiar to shoppers.
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All Ford has to do is adopt something like the Emission-less Hydrogen 5 liter, 8 cyl, 455bhp new engine block designed by Toyota and Yamaha and the Muscle car will remain alive. Will they do so? Nawh, theyre going to cash out of Lithium fad until the public proves that the strain on the powergrid is too much, thus forcing companies to go back to a combustion set up.
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