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Old 03-26-2001, 04:19 PM   #1
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Post Best Coil-Over suspension for $1500-$2000

I want a CO suspension that will be used 95% on street and 5% in off-road.

I don't care about noise or comfort really.

Adjustability and durability are a plus, Coiling over is a necessity.

Anyone want to take a stab?
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Old 03-26-2001, 04:46 PM   #2
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I'd say Tein RA's or Zeal B6. Both should be around $2K. RA is alluminum with pillow ball mounts, Zeal is chrome-moly with alluminum mounts (pillow ball mounts in front).
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Old 03-26-2001, 04:47 PM   #3
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DMS Gold's, and that is all.
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Old 03-26-2001, 05:04 PM   #4
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Rode on some DMS golds this weekend... AWESOME suspenion.
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Old 03-26-2001, 06:35 PM   #5
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Cusco's, best ride and zero body roll...Come to seattle, i'll make you a Cusco customer
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Old 03-26-2001, 06:53 PM   #6
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DMS Gold. The end. Double-progressive springs, 30-way adjustable (one click makes a difference) 40mm shafts, inverted design, reassuring build quality and strength, the ability to take speed bumps at 40 mph.

They're perfect for your needs, as they were mine. Mind you, I haven't tried all the coilovers out there, but I vastly prefer them to Tein HAs, and someone just got rid of LEDAs for some DMS.

It's too bad you can't fly before you buy, though.

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Old 03-26-2001, 10:42 PM   #7
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If you post in the Bay Area forum, I'm sure that there are people who will let you ride in and possibly drive their cars who have the setups you are considering. From everything I have seen, I personally would only consider the DMS and Cusco setups.

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Old 03-26-2001, 11:01 PM   #8
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Whats the deal with these DMS anyways?

I hear so much about them yet know nothing of them.

Are they like a godsend or something, my impression was that they are better for off road use.

I was planning on going with TEIN HA's with pillows for the rough northern california roads/freeways, unless someone can convince me to get the DMS setup.

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Old 03-26-2001, 11:50 PM   #9
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Yes DMS makes shocks for rallying and that is what they are best known for. They built their reputation by winning rallies all over the world with shocks that last a long time and don't fail. So think about it, you want that kind of engineering to go into your street suspension, right?

The DMS Gold is not a rally suspension. It is designed specifically for fast road use and occaisional competition. It offers a comfortable ride quality and impressive cornering. And, unlike a Tein suspension, if you go through a bumpy corner your wheels will stay in contact with the road! They are also fully rebuildable.

But don't take my word for it, talk to a DMS owner, or better yet arrange for a ride.

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Old 03-27-2001, 12:02 AM   #10
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So the consensus says DMS Gold with some saying tiens. What about the LEDA system?

hmmm...

Looks like I'll be saving up for the DMS then.

Now I just need to find people who have them so I can test them out.

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Old 03-27-2001, 12:14 AM   #11
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Dave - Could you e-mail or post a price list for what you guys have available? You website doesn't have the Golds on it. I'm mainly interested in a brief description of the construction of the Golds, and I'd also like to know how much those 60mm units cost just for giggles. Or if you could update the website, that would probably be the best but most time-consuming option. Thanks!
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Old 03-27-2001, 12:21 AM   #12
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dont quote me... (i know u will anyway...) but i think the 60mm are like 6k??? something like that... they are just ridiculous!!! and i love em.. hehehee
i know 1 person who has them...
1... only one....

hehehe anyway...
the golds are a great option for the street car... and they are tough enough for the occasional off road jaunt...

i chose the rally set up 50mm... because i am off road so often.... and ... eventually this car will have a cage in it... i said ... EVENTUALLY... lol but for now... at least i got the rally suspension outta the way...

dave??? need to host some 40mm Gold pics somewhere... let me know and i'll see what i can put up on my site...

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Old 03-27-2001, 06:55 AM   #13
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WRXwannabe, one or two people have sold their LEDAs for DMS setups, I think one a Gold, and Kelley Nelson went for a 50mm Giant set.

I think that the double progressive springs work the mojo. I had Tein HAs with pillows, and here's the best way that I can describe the difference between the two.

The turnoff to my office is a 90-degree, second gear corner with abysmal road conditions. You get expansion cracks, bad pothole patches, the works.

With the Tein HAs, at speed through that corner, the car would quite literally leave the ground. With the DMS Golds, it just tracks. I can even grab some more throttle if I want. It isn't as ultimately flat as it was with the Teins, but quite close.

EJ20, if you have rough roads in NoCal, take it from a guy who had rough roads in the Chicago area with his Teins w/pillows. Don't. Unless you have a very tolerant other half, and yourself are tolerant.

The car will be flat, but the ride quality will be poor, and the pillow balls will be noisy. I don't mean to make it sound like Teins are bad, because they aren't. I might still have mine if my other half hadn't said "But whatever you want, just get those things outta here."

But now that I know the difference, the Golds are worth the very minor price uptick. And not that anyone cares, but the Golds are lighter than the Teins, too.

Also know that with Teins, the high spring rates means that much of the strut's adjustability isn't all that usable. Lower settings don't work all that well. I was at something like 11f/13r of 20 possible clicks.

The lower spring rate from DMS means that more the of adjustability is available. Just for yuks, I dialed up a ride that was as soft as a Legacy L for a co-worker (8f/8r), but it handled light years better. Admittedly, the 17" P1s and Dunlop 9000s helped.

Everyone will say that their particular coilover preference is the best. Basshead's a Cusco fan, and Subie Gal dug the ride when she rode in them. They don't have the vast range of adjustability of the Golds, and AFAIK, they aren't rebuildable. Teins are nice too.

But you did ask about the best

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Old 03-27-2001, 09:28 AM   #14
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how often do you need to rebuild Coil-Over's? when you do, how involved is it? can just any mechanic do it?
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Old 03-27-2001, 09:30 AM   #15
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so pillow balls are bad for street use? (in terms of ride comfort.)
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Old 03-27-2001, 09:40 AM   #16
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Dave mentioned that some '02 WRX owners have already purchased DMS Golds. If anyone has them installed on a WRX already, I would greatly appreciate to hear what you have to say. Especially if they have been installed on a WRX wagon.

Dave,
It would be really nice if you had a DMS-USA website. You list all the info that is asked for over and over again.

Jamie,
So, you had no problem swapping your DMS 50mm Gaint struts over from the Legacy to your RS? Did you have to replace any of the struts? From the pictures of your crash, I would have thought at least one of the front struts would have been damaged.
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Old 03-27-2001, 09:56 AM   #17
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I paid $2000 for my G|A|B Rev coilovers and they are ok.
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Old 03-27-2001, 10:15 AM   #18
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Hey Scottie, go over to the WRX forum. There are a couple of guys there who have put Golds on their new Rexes. My friend has his Golds, but not the car yet.

over_rev, pillow balls are fine in terms of comfort, but they'll be noisy on bumpy roads. I think that it was a combo of the high spring rates and pillow ball noise that became the pea under the mattress to my princess.

TR, rebuild intervals for a street-driven coilover are usually a long-ass time, if you'll pardon the untechnical lingo. There isn't even a rebuild interval specified for the Golds, according to Dave Clark, but he guessed something like 4-5 years.

I won't speculate as to what's involved in a rebuild process, however.

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Old 03-27-2001, 10:49 AM   #19
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Old 03-27-2001, 11:11 AM   #20
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twofold--

dynamic camber control... under high cornering loads, the stock soft rubber mounts will allow camber changes.

suspension oscillation... with higher rate springs, the mount itself moves instead than the suspension, leading to undesirable bounce / chop.
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Old 03-27-2001, 11:36 AM   #21
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So how much are the Golds? I thought they were around $3000. I'm saving for these my self, but haven't really got a solid price on them.
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Old 03-27-2001, 01:17 PM   #22
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IIRC, the DMS Gold setup is ~$1800 plus shipping from Australia. If that is incorrect, I am certain that someone will enlighten me!
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Old 03-27-2001, 03:25 PM   #23
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I've come across a nearly impossible deal on some DMS Golds, so hopefully i'll be the first one i know of on Golds and a BF Legacy.

Needless to say, i can't wait, even though i must.
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Old 03-27-2001, 05:24 PM   #24
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i feel sorry for those that have pillowballs that make noise...mine don't..CUSCO!
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Old 03-27-2001, 07:13 PM   #25
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Hmmm. Well I think that that the DMS offers more adjustiblity than the CUSCO's of comparable price.

Now as far as the teins are concerned. The HA's with pillows are $1585 shipped.

I am not worried about the noisy pillows, but about that traction deal on bumpy corners, and how the DMS will stick as opposed to the Tein not sticking to the road.

Any other information that will convince me to spend a extra $300 for the DMS Gold?

thanks guys, i might change my mind and want to get DMS golds, as im saving up for anything right now.

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