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Old 11-13-2017, 02:22 PM   #10976
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Initial observations suggest good support for the field
study hypotheses. We saw some differences between the
impacts of eMTBs and mountain bikes, particularly at turns
and grade changes. However, for the most part, the soil
impacts observed in this study were not greatly different
from those of mountain bikes, and were much less than those
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Old 11-13-2017, 02:31 PM   #10977
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Yea, let's see how that works out now that the big boys are headed into the market. I give in 2 years before you can rip around shredding a 27.5"plus DH tire for 4 hours without pedaling once. They didn't even look at Class 2 in the short worthless little fact sheet, which is where I see the issue coming from.
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Old 11-13-2017, 02:36 PM   #10978
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I, too hope that they fine a way to restrict ebikes from singletracks (at least most of them). I admit that it is just a knee-jerk reaction from me, not based on any "science" or even any personal experience. If you are physically sound enough to motor an ebike around, you are sound enough to pedal a damn regular bike.

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Old 11-13-2017, 02:45 PM   #10979
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I’ve yet to come across an e-bike on the trails. My LBS pestered me to ride one around the block as I was waiting for an employee to free up to do my fitting. It was super weird. Being in turbo mode or whatever just launched the bike forward with very moderate pedal input. I can’t really envision any scenario where I’d want an e-bike. As my strength and/or health fades, I would be more likely to change my riding type to something that fit my ability.
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:09 PM   #10980
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Yep, it's basically a dirtbike without a gas motor. They need to be restricted ASAP, esp. in places with significant climbs.
This.

I've seen these douches roosting thru steep loose switchbacks, creating worse trail damage than motos or DH brake-draggers do. Perhaps it's more of a concern in the dry and loose southwest. It's dry and loose here, plus steeeeeeeep.

E bike riders are all sloppers with no bike handling skills or trail etiquette. They can stick to the moto/multi use trails, or slit their wrists.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:41 PM   #10981
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had a run-in with a e bike douche on saturday. these ****ers need to die in a fire. we were climbing on a trail which was ending in about 300', and me and my buddy get stuck behind a slower rider, but we just held back to not crowd or rush him; besides the trail would be done shortly so no rush, etc... then here comes this e-bike hero flying up our ass trying to force a pass on the outside of a skinny exposed single track climb, with ZERO verbal communication and zero space to actually get by. "are you trying to pass? hold your horses man, the trail is almost done up ahead." "oh, didn't know..."

we get to the top and realize, no he's not a ultra fast pro or a strava bro dick face, he's a little bitch on a e-bike. we told him he shouldn't be on that trail on an e bike to begin with and secondly he has no business forcing a pass or expecting us to yield to him. of course he's ultra defensive and in our face explaining to us how "it's not motorized, it's pedal assist" blah blah blah pedaling turns on the motor, so it's motorized, thus should only be on the appropriate multi-use trails.

next e-douche I find on a non motorized mountain trail is getting shoved off the mountain or getting a free neck punch. those things are damaging the trails and the ****s riding them need to learn trail ettiquette... or just need move back to CA and DIAF.

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Those ****heads don't care, and neither do the shops that sell them. E-bikes aren't allowed on singletrack in federal lands, which means you pretty much can't ride them in the mountain West.

I'm all for people who actually need them to ride e-bikes, because they would be the type that wouldn't cause issues...but we're already seeing that jackasses will pay a $2,000 tariff to be...jackasses.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:55 PM   #10982
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I***65039; was pretty upset when a local specialized shop owner posted an Instagram of his new e bike on the singletrack. People need to be better trail stewards.

That is the exact behavior I***65039; expect of an e biker by the way. If somebody is just chilling along and blends in no biggie and I***65039; think it would even be hard to really notice.
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Old 11-20-2017, 02:56 PM   #10983
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Finally done built up.

Still need to do some random fiddling, but for the most part, it's good to go.

34x15, tall enough to move at a decent rate, but short enough to make it up the "hills" we have in Houston.



oh, and Kona sells a rear dropout that will accommodate a derailleur, so I got that so I can swap with relative ease, should I decided I want gears.

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Old 11-21-2017, 12:57 AM   #10984
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Old 11-21-2017, 07:29 AM   #10985
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Finally done built up.

Still need to do some random fiddling, but for the most part, it's good to go.

34x15, tall enough to move at a decent rate, but short enough to make it up the "hills" we have in Houston.



oh, and Kona sells a rear dropout that will accommodate a derailleur, so I got that so I can swap with relative ease, should I decided I want gears.
Are you sure that stem and seatpost are long enough?
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:37 AM   #10986
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seatpost is about right, stem is one of the things I still need to fiddle.
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Old 11-21-2017, 09:08 AM   #10987
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seatpost is about right, stem is one of the things I still need to fiddle.
that frame looks too small for you.
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Old 11-21-2017, 09:15 AM   #10988
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Looks fun.

My ride yesterday was a bit different. The snow melted, except where it is packed down to ice on the shaded parts of the trail. The ground was still frozen, except for the top inch or less, which is wet, extremely slick mud. Going downhill through what is only slightly technical terrain (when it is dry), I hit an icy downhill stretch with a small drop and tight turn at the bottom. I tried to use the base of a tree for a berm, and scraped my leg pretty good in the process. But I stayed upright and was able to ride it out. Took me an hour to clean the bike.
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Old 11-21-2017, 10:54 AM   #10989
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seatpost is about right, stem is one of the things I still need to fiddle.
If you ran the saddle more level it would take pressure off your hands and allow the bars to be lower, which would aid stability.
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Old 11-21-2017, 12:54 PM   #10990
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If you ran the saddle more level it would take pressure off your hands and allow the bars to be lower, which would aid stability.
Thanks for the recommendation.

I really only finished assembly this week.

It's still not adjusted. I took that picture after riding around the block to make sure brakes felt ok and make sure things felt tight.

That's not even the seat I'm going to use on it, it's an old specialized toupe, definitely a road bike saddle, but it's what I had sitting in my pile of bike parts.

The stem is a starting point. I'll be going shorter and less rise. It helps to be friendly with a lbs that lets you pull from their bag of take offs to get things dialed in.

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Old 11-21-2017, 01:28 PM   #10991
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Finally done built up.

Still need to do some random fiddling, but for the most part, it's good to go.

34x15, tall enough to move at a decent rate, but short enough to make it up the "hills" we have in Houston.



oh, and Kona sells a rear dropout that will accommodate a derailleur, so I got that so I can swap with relative ease, should I decided I want gears.
You sure you should have bought that frame size?
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Old 11-21-2017, 02:00 PM   #10992
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Knock knock.

Who's there?

Olive.

Olive who?

DRUNKEN OLIVE!

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Old 11-21-2017, 08:05 PM   #10993
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Oh you nasty...
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:42 PM   #10994
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Smells like carbon fiber around here....like it should!
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:45 PM   #10995
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that frame looks too small for you.
This

I was just being a dick when I asked if the seatpost and stem were long enough. A larger frame should give you the same seat/bar height without a super long seatpost and steep angle stem and you can fiddle with reach/effective TT length by adjusting saddle position and stem length.
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:47 PM   #10996
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Knock knock.

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Olive.

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DRUNKEN OLIVE!

that crutch in the background... I hope that is not some foreshadowing.
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Old 11-21-2017, 09:44 PM   #10997
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Finally done built up.

Still need to do some random fiddling, but for the most part, it's good to go.

34x15, tall enough to move at a decent rate, but short enough to make it up the "hills" we have in Houston.



oh, and Kona sells a rear dropout that will accommodate a derailleur, so I got that so I can swap with relative ease, should I decided I want gears.

34x15? You are either a beast or silly. 2-1 is the best I can do personally. Let me know when you want to ride.
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Old 11-21-2017, 10:28 PM   #10998
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34x15? You are either a beast or silly. 2-1 is the best I can do personally. Let me know when you want to ride.
2:1 is essentially the starting point for a non-29er trail-oriented fun-hater, imo. But never ridden in TX.

Man, I mostly ran 32:21 on my SS 29er 'round these parts but would also do 32:20 too. sometimes even 32:19 in flat areas, like Pueblo reservoir.

Before moving to 29, my single 26 trail bike was 32:18.

Burt that's just me. All singles are actually three speeds: stand up, sit down, or get off and walk. It's up to you how much walking you want to do.
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34x15? You are either a beast or silly. 2-1 is the best I can do personally. Let me know when you want to ride.
I usually ride 74 gear inches on my single speed road bike, which is my only real point of reference. As I ride I'm sure I'll hone in on something shorter.
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My road fixie is 75.62 gear inches. Pushing that up a 20% grade is a blast.
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