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Old 11-08-2017, 02:47 PM   #9651
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My ST came with a Freek Tune shift plate. I'm not sure I like it. Shifts are a bit stubborn and require more effort than stock, even if the throw is shorter. Anyone experience this?

I think I'd rather do trans side shifter bushings, a less rubbery feel would impress me more than super short throws.
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Old 11-08-2017, 03:20 PM   #9652
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I thought the stock shifter felt good enough not to bother with. I never touched mine.

Freak makes a good tune I hear...
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Old 11-08-2017, 04:16 PM   #9653
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I agree, stock was pretty great. I dislike the reluctance the shorter throw/shift plate brings.
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Old 11-08-2017, 05:51 PM   #9654
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My ST came with a Freek Tune shift plate. I'm not sure I like it. Shifts are a bit stubborn and require more effort than stock, even if the throw is shorter. Anyone experience this?

I think I'd rather do trans side shifter bushings, a less rubbery feel would impress me more than super short throws.
Most shift plates are adjustable, perhaps this one you have is at max setting (usually around 40% reduction) and you can lower it to it's least value, offering lower effort.

Or just remove it. Since it's a plate, you can undo that mod pretty easily.
The transmission side metal bushes are awesome and cheap. You can also install an RS shifter for $80 in parts from Ford. It's a shorter shift and height. Big install though.
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Old 11-08-2017, 05:57 PM   #9655
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I didn't like the the way shifter plates/arms felt so I ended up with the Ford Performance short shift lever. It feels great but it was extremely expensive for what it is. If I had to do it again I'd look very hard at the Boomba short throw lever which has, as far as I can tell, identical geometry to the FP unit.
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Old 11-08-2017, 06:51 PM   #9656
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Most shift plates are adjustable, perhaps this one you have is at max setting (usually around 40% reduction) and you can lower it to it's least value, offering lower effort.

Or just remove it. Since it's a plate, you can undo that mod pretty easily.
The transmission side metal bushes are awesome and cheap. You can also install an RS shifter for $80 in parts from Ford. It's a shorter shift and height. Big install though.
I think he said it has 3 settings, and it's in the middle. I'll try the minimum setting, if it'll feel better. I figured they'd all feel the same.

I did see where the Ford ST short shifter was $450, but the RS shifter is $79. Easy decision, if one goes that way. Sounds like a LOT of monkeying with the center console parts though. I break those.

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I didn't like the the way shifter plates/arms felt so I ended up with the Ford Performance short shift lever. It feels great but it was extremely expensive for what it is. If I had to do it again I'd look very hard at the Boomba short throw lever which has, as far as I can tell, identical geometry to the FP unit.
Glad it's not just me.
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Old 11-08-2017, 08:14 PM   #9657
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I can't get those O.Z. Rally Wheels out of my head. I want the gray version of them so bad.
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:24 AM   #9658
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Take your stock RS, pull the e-brake on corner entry, and see what happens. Then spend $999 on this drift stick, pull the lever, notice the reaction is exactly the same, and hate yourself for a few weeks.
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Old 11-09-2017, 10:50 AM   #9659
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Take your stock RS, pull the e-brake on corner entry, and see what happens. Then spend $999 on this drift stick, pull the lever, notice the reaction is exactly the same, and hate yourself for a few weeks.
But it's got the Ford Performance logo on it!
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Old 11-09-2017, 02:41 PM   #9660
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For those who are talking about short shifters/shift plates, did you reset your shifter after you were done using the service manual procedure?
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Old 11-09-2017, 04:44 PM   #9661
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Old 11-09-2017, 05:11 PM   #9662
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Take your stock RS, pull the e-brake on corner entry, and see what happens. Then spend $999 on this drift stick, pull the lever, notice the reaction is exactly the same, and hate yourself for a few weeks.
The drift stick has an OBDII connector to change brake bias, diff control, and a few other things.
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Old 11-09-2017, 05:14 PM   #9663
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And here people were choosing the RS over the STI because of **** like this.

That does suck, though.
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Old 11-09-2017, 09:25 PM   #9664
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Ouch. At least it's happening at such early mileage that repairs are being handled under warranty.

I'd be pissed too if I was making payments on a car the dealer has sitting on the lot awaiting parts.

I'm sure Ford thought that between the parts for the Mustang version of the engine and the regular Focus parts pool, there wasn't likely to be much they couldn't cover from those pools.

Makes me just impressed as hell that my first model year USDM STi is turning 14 in a couple of months and been rock solid.
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Old 11-11-2017, 05:30 PM   #9665
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The drift stick has an OBDII connector to change brake bias, diff control, and a few other things.
I guarantee it does nothing to diff control. It wasn't discussed as a product during program development and there isn't a new software release to support it. Whether or not it does anything to the brake controls can be debated, but knowing how much the government cares about safety I'm pretty sure it doesn't suddenly allow changes to brake bias.

At best there is a position sensor connected to the drift handle. When this switch is tripped the tiny microcontroller and CAN transceiver are outputting a "park brake engaged" signal on the CAN bus which drives the reactions from the brakes and AWD system. This is no different from the normal e-brake, other than not needing to pull up on the handle to do it. The the drift handle is more convenient, but no more functional.
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Old 11-11-2017, 10:17 PM   #9666
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The Drift Stick is an aluminum lever between the driver's seat and manual transmission, which uses the innovative Ford Performance all-wheel-drive system in conjunction with the antilock braking system, opening up the rear-drive unit clutches and applying hydraulic pressure to lock the rear wheels to induce drift with the simple pull of a lever. The results are clutch-free drift turns very similar to the experience of a real rally car.
Straight from Ford.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...handbrake.html
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:04 PM   #9667
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So is that saying it disengages the rear diff and locks the rear wheels?

That would be different than just yanking the e-brake, as the rear diff would still be engaged then.
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Old 11-12-2017, 01:16 AM   #9668
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Was pleasantly surprised to read this part:
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Like the RS's exclusive drift mode, the Ford Performance Drift Stick is intended for track use only. It is available for customers in the United States and Canada, and priced at $999. The kit includes the Drift Stick lever, mounts and circuit board with professional calibration functionality. The car's warranty is unaffected by its installation.
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:08 PM   #9669
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So is that saying it disengages the rear diff and locks the rear wheels?
Yes.

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That would be different than just yanking the e-brake, as the rear diff would still be engaged then.
No, it's not.

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Old 11-20-2017, 09:08 AM   #9670
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I messed around with the shift plate over the weekend. I had shifter bushings on hand, but didn't have to to rip everything out to that extent, so I tried the shifter without the plate, and on the 20% reduction spot (it was on the 40% from the other owner). The stock setup, no plate, did feel long now, I guess I'm used to the uber short throw already, but the 20% reduction felt about right, so I left the plate on. How the hell does a half in make so much difference in effort and throw?

Anyway. it's awesome now. The previous owner had loctited the plate. No instructions I've ever seen have recommended loctite. Should I redo it?
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:18 AM   #9671
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Never seen loctite recommended.

Also what tune did you go with?
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Old 11-20-2017, 09:53 AM   #9672
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Shaddup.

Must.

Resist.
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Old 11-26-2017, 03:03 PM   #9673
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My car is on the original sync 2014 version. There's an update for it. There's no way to brick my car or anything, if I do this, right?

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Old 11-26-2017, 05:37 PM   #9674
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My car is on the original sync 2014 version. There's an update for it. There's no way to brick my car or anything, if I do this, right?





For most no issue.
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Old 11-26-2017, 05:41 PM   #9675
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I messed around with the shift plate over the weekend. I had shifter bushings on hand, but didn't have to to rip everything out to that extent, so I tried the shifter without the plate, and on the 20% reduction spot (it was on the 40% from the other owner). The stock setup, no plate, did feel long now, I guess I'm used to the uber short throw already, but the 20% reduction felt about right, so I left the plate on. How the hell does a half in make so much difference in effort and throw?

Anyway. it's awesome now. The previous owner had loctited the plate. No instructions I've ever seen have recommended loctite. Should I redo it?


I'd strongly recommend some loctite blue on there. Those machined small pitch threads are screws with no appreciable torque applied to them, it's a good idea to do it on those parts alone. Not needed on the bolts where the bushes go though
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