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Old 02-12-2013, 03:07 PM   #1
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Default Next Volkswagen Golf R to get 286 horsepower?

For the new Golf R discussion, here's the redirect:

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Autoblog: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/12/n...86-horsepower/



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The seventh-generation Volkswagen Golf hasn't launched in the United States just yet, but we're already setting our sights on the range-topping R model. According to Autocar, the next Golf R will be more powerful than the current version, producing 268 horsepower and 280 pound-feet of torque, making it the most powerful production Golf ever.

Powering the new Golf R will be a further evolution of Volkswagen's well-liked 2.0-liter turbocharged inline-four, and when mated to a six-speed dual-clutch transmission, the hotter hatch will reportedly be able to sprint to 62 miles per hour in five seconds flat. That's over half a second quicker than the current US-spec model.

Other updates for the new Golf R include the addition of VW's Haldex 5 all-wheel-drive system found in the latest iteration of 4Motion. Furthermore, thanks to the use of lightweight materials, the new R is expected to weigh in around 2,650 pounds - that's a massive 675 pounds less than the current US-spec car. The exhaust has reportedly been reworked to provide more aural delight, as well.

Herein lies the rub, though: It's unclear whether or not Volkswagen will offer this same power upgrade in the States. After all, the current US-spec Golf R is rated at 256 hp and 243 lb-ft while its Euro counterpart produces 270 hp and 258 lb-ft. What's more, European versions can be had with the delicious six-speed DSG, whereas US models are only available with the six-speed manual 'box. Volkswagen's US arm tells Autoblog that since the car is still so far off, "there is no final decision" on whether our car will be identical to the Euro model.

Autocar reports that the Euro-spec Golf R will make its debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show this September, with the first cars hitting the streets of Europe in early 2014.

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Old 02-12-2013, 03:14 PM   #2
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2016 before we see it in the States? Damn.
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:15 PM   #3
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the new R is expected to weigh in around 2,650 pounds – that's a massive 675 pounds less than the current US-spec car.
Wow!!
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:22 PM   #4
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Wow!!
Damn, I missed that part. I'll believe it when it actually happens.
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:39 PM   #5
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Damn, I missed that part. I'll believe it when it actually happens.
Yeah it is almost too difficult to believe.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:40 AM   #6
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Yeah it is almost too difficult to believe.
This.

With a AWD?

My mini weighs 26** lbs!
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:49 PM   #7
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Wow!!
Thank you MQB platform
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:02 AM   #8
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Thank you MQB platform
I'm pretty sure that's a misprint - I don't see a standardized platform to get that kind of weight loss. :P
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:38 PM   #9
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Um, I am

RATHER EXCITED about this... as my current R is just stellar.
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Old 04-22-2013, 11:23 AM   #10
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Um, I am

RATHER EXCITED about this... as my current R is just stellar.
Would you buy another one so soon?

<-- asks the guy with a nine year old Subaru.
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Old 02-12-2013, 03:41 PM   #11
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the weight is not correct

the new Golf VII GTI weighs 1.351 kg, that´s 2,979 lbs

the R will weigh more
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Old 02-12-2013, 04:00 PM   #12
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Dyslexia's a mf...

268 hp not 286
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:29 PM   #13
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the weight is not correct

the new Golf VII GTI weighs 1.351 kg, that´s 2,979 lbs

the R will weigh more
Yup, no way in hell this thing's going to come under 3000 lbs.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:53 PM   #14
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2650lbs? Impossible.
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:10 PM   #15
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2650lbs? Impossible.
"Speed holes" in every component!
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Old 02-12-2013, 04:17 PM   #16
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It is the 280 ft lbs of torque that will make it move...

Truthfully, though, you can surpass those numbers today with just an OBDII flash of the current Golf R. So they are not pushing it at all.
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Old 02-12-2013, 04:36 PM   #17
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It is the 280 ft lbs of torque that will make it move...

Truthfully, though, you can surpass those numbers today with just an OBDII flash of the current Golf R. So they are not pushing it at all.
Hell, I have that solidly beat with my stage 2 2007 GTI.

That said, there is a smoothness to the R powerplant that I don't have.
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It is the 280 ft lbs of torque that will make it move...

Truthfully, though, you can surpass those numbers today with just an OBDII flash of the current Golf R. So they are not pushing it at all.
Are VW dealerships prone to deny warranty claims from flashes?
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:14 AM   #19
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Are VW dealerships prone to deny warranty claims from flashes?
From browsing the VW and gti forums, it seems most dealers are mod friendly up to the typical stage II point. After that, not so much. I'm debating on getting the apr tune on my mkvi.
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Old 02-13-2013, 12:14 PM   #20
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It is the 280 ft lbs of torque that will make it move...
Come on, you're smarter than that. The HP will be the deciding factor in out-right acceleration potential.

The low-end power will make for just that, a punchy low-end around town. Which of course is a nice thing to have.
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Come on, you're smarter than that. The HP will be the deciding factor in out-right acceleration potential.

The low-end power will make for just that, a punchy low-end around town. Which of course is a nice thing to have.
I don't know. If you had an ideal CVT, then I agree the peak power is all that matters, but since realistic transmission does not allow you to stay at a particular RPM, you end up covering some range in RPM and obviously that means you do care about the shape of the torque curve around the peak. Take for example the new turbo-4 that BMW is using to replace their NA I6. The peak powers are only ~10HP different, but the difference in acceleration is substantial thanks to the turbo midrange.
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I don't know. If you had an ideal CVT, then I agree the peak power is all that matters, but since realistic transmission does not allow you to stay at a particular RPM, you end up covering some range in RPM and obviously that means you do care about the shape of the torque curve around the peak. Take for example the new turbo-4 that BMW is using to replace their NA I6. The peak powers are only ~10HP different, but the difference in acceleration is substantial thanks to the turbo midrange.
Of course, we're assuming proper gearing. As you said, what matters is the POWER you're making in the RPM range you're using. 100% correct.

that being said, I can't think of a car that falls out of its, say, top 2-3k RPMs when achieving max acceleration. In a car with a 7k RPM redline, when accelerating for maximum potential, you're not going to see less than 4-5k RPMs, after the takeoff. Even in small-turbo'd cars running out of steam at high RPMs.

The peak torque you're making at 2k RPMs (or whatever, as stated by Scrappy, not even in the mid-range) means absolutely nothing then. Again, not saying it doesn't make for punchy around town driving, which is a great thing. And likely means a decent mid-range as well...also a great thing. But for outright 100% acceleration, what matters is the mid-upper and upper RPM range in todays cars with 5/6/7+ speed transmissions.



Still have no idea why people like to describe low end power as torque, and high end power as power.

It's all about 1. how much torque you're making at the crank, and 2. the rate at which you're applying that torque to the ground. They have a word for torque delivered over time (assuming logical gearing), it's called power.



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Take for example the new turbo-4 that BMW is using to replace their NA I6. The peak powers are only ~10HP different, but the difference in acceleration is substantial thanks to the turbo midrange.
Oh, regarding the new BMW engine...the dynos are showing its VERY underrated. Certainly putting out more power then their base 230 HP I6's were at the end of their run. Some even say 40 HP more. 260-270 is the thought regarding its actual output.

They've seen dynos of 230 AT THE WHEELS on the N20.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593583

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646824

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Old 02-15-2013, 06:52 PM   #23
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Come on, you're smarter than that. The HP will be the deciding factor in out-right acceleration potential.

The low-end power will make for just that, a punchy low-end around town. Which of course is a nice thing to have.
Again, I should have clarified.

I should have said, its the torque and where in the RPM band it occurs
So yeah, I am smarter than that. But I was lazy and did not clarify.

Good catch.
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Old 06-17-2013, 10:06 PM   #24
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I love the way it looks, the design, the AWD, and the power that they say it will have, but I'm always concerned whether it will be be a lemon or not. When I had my 2002 GTI, it was in the shop 9 times in the first 8 months and VW treated me like crap every time I brought it in. Like I had stole the car and was bringing it in for warranty work.

I love their designed, just concerned that they don't stand behind the product once you own it.
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I still can't get with that bodystyle even though I wanted a hatch.
I wound up getting a 2016 STI after wanting an WRX/STI hatch for years.
Seeing 2016 Impreza hatchbacks I'm torn on whether it would look good as a WRX/STI.
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