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02-12-2013, 03:07 PM | #1 | |
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Next Volkswagen Golf R to get 286 horsepower?
For the new Golf R discussion, here's the redirect:
https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2833313 Autoblog: http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/12/n...86-horsepower/ Quote:
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02-12-2013, 03:14 PM | #2 |
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2016 before we see it in the States? Damn.
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02-12-2013, 03:49 PM | #7 |
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02-12-2013, 03:38 PM | #9 |
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Um, I am
RATHER EXCITED about this... as my current R is just stellar. |
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02-12-2013, 03:41 PM | #11 |
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the weight is not correct
the new Golf VII GTI weighs 1.351 kg, that´s 2,979 lbs the R will weigh more |
02-12-2013, 04:00 PM | #12 |
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Dyslexia's a mf...
268 hp not 286 |
02-12-2013, 05:29 PM | #13 |
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2650lbs? Impossible.
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02-12-2013, 09:10 PM | #15 |
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02-12-2013, 04:17 PM | #16 |
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It is the 280 ft lbs of torque that will make it move...
Truthfully, though, you can surpass those numbers today with just an OBDII flash of the current Golf R. So they are not pushing it at all. |
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That said, there is a smoothness to the R powerplant that I don't have. |
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02-13-2013, 12:14 PM | #20 |
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Come on, you're smarter than that. The HP will be the deciding factor in out-right acceleration potential.
The low-end power will make for just that, a punchy low-end around town. Which of course is a nice thing to have. |
02-13-2013, 03:10 PM | #21 |
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I don't know. If you had an ideal CVT, then I agree the peak power is all that matters, but since realistic transmission does not allow you to stay at a particular RPM, you end up covering some range in RPM and obviously that means you do care about the shape of the torque curve around the peak. Take for example the new turbo-4 that BMW is using to replace their NA I6. The peak powers are only ~10HP different, but the difference in acceleration is substantial thanks to the turbo midrange.
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that being said, I can't think of a car that falls out of its, say, top 2-3k RPMs when achieving max acceleration. In a car with a 7k RPM redline, when accelerating for maximum potential, you're not going to see less than 4-5k RPMs, after the takeoff. Even in small-turbo'd cars running out of steam at high RPMs. The peak torque you're making at 2k RPMs (or whatever, as stated by Scrappy, not even in the mid-range) means absolutely nothing then. Again, not saying it doesn't make for punchy around town driving, which is a great thing. And likely means a decent mid-range as well...also a great thing. But for outright 100% acceleration, what matters is the mid-upper and upper RPM range in todays cars with 5/6/7+ speed transmissions. Still have no idea why people like to describe low end power as torque, and high end power as power. It's all about 1. how much torque you're making at the crank, and 2. the rate at which you're applying that torque to the ground. They have a word for torque delivered over time (assuming logical gearing), it's called power. Quote:
They've seen dynos of 230 AT THE WHEELS on the N20. http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=593583 http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646824 Last edited by SoapBox; 02-13-2013 at 04:44 PM. |
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I should have said, its the torque and where in the RPM band it occurs So yeah, I am smarter than that. But I was lazy and did not clarify. Good catch. |
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I love the way it looks, the design, the AWD, and the power that they say it will have, but I'm always concerned whether it will be be a lemon or not. When I had my 2002 GTI, it was in the shop 9 times in the first 8 months and VW treated me like crap every time I brought it in. Like I had stole the car and was bringing it in for warranty work.
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I still can't get with that bodystyle even though I wanted a hatch.
I wound up getting a 2016 STI after wanting an WRX/STI hatch for years. Seeing 2016 Impreza hatchbacks I'm torn on whether it would look good as a WRX/STI. |
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