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Old 10-22-2020, 02:01 PM   #3001
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The difference between On-star/XM Radio and FSD is that FSD can be had as a purchasable package or as a subscription service (at least that's they way it was discussed & explained previously by ole' Musky).

IF an owner PURCHASES the FSD capability, it should stay with the car, if however, the owner decides to only subscribe to FSD, then of course the subscription ends when it is no longer being paid for.

The April 2020 "Electrek" article talking about FSD as a purchasable package and a subscription service:
https://electrek.co/2020/04/30/tesla...service-price/

Just read that Musk is proposing that the FSD follows the account, not the car. So as long as you have a Tesla, you will have FSD.
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Old 10-22-2020, 02:01 PM   #3002
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The difference between On-star/XM Radio and FSD is that FSD can be had as a purchasable package or as a subscription service (at least that's they way it was discussed & explained previously by ole' Musky).
Onstar and xm radio is also ACTUALLY a service. FSD is not. You could install FSD on your car and then tesla could evaporate into thin air entirely TOMORROW and you would still have FSD working in whatever capacity it currently does. It doesn't rely on some network connectivity to do the computing; it's all done on the machine itself (afaik).

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Just read that Musk is proposing that the FSD follows the account, not the car. So as long as you have a Tesla, you will have FSD.
Yeah, of course he is. It becomes an entrapment mechanism. "Well, if I keep staying with tesla, I get more and more value out of this 10k that I cannot otherwise liquidate!" Reminds me of a certain other tech company that has done everything in it's power to make it a "lifestyle" versus just another product you purchase.
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Old Yesterday, 09:29 AM   #3003
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Here is a FSD Beta preview... Not perfect but better than some 80 year olds and drunk drivers . The progress of this technology is mind blowing. Do you guys still think that we are 100 years away from Level 5 autonomy in the US?

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At least 500 years away. No doubt.
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Here is a FSD Beta preview... Not perfect but better than some 80 year olds and drunk drivers . The progress of this technology is mind blowing. Do you guys still think that we are 100 years away from Level 5 autonomy in the US?

https://youtu.be/6QSsKy0I9LE

https://youtu.be/3iRHYIwjFKw
Anyone else wonder what happens heavy rain or snow and fog ?
I think everything and all other vehicles will need be digitally marked (5G) and once popular only self drivers allowed many roads as people drivers unpredictable.
How we be in 100 year? I think within 30 a Neural internet brain connect will change everything and fast. Many will fight for the implant and who will be Neo ? Matrix time , Living Vicariously in a digital world.
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Here is a FSD Beta preview... Not perfect but better than some 80 year olds and drunk drivers . The progress of this technology is mind blowing. Do you guys still think that we are 100 years away from Level 5 autonomy in the US

https://youtu.be/3iRHYIwjFKw
Anyone else wonder what happens heavy rain or snow and fog ?
I think everything and all other vehicles will need be digitally marked (5G) and once popular only self drivers allowed many roads as people drivers unpredictable.
How we be in 100 year? I think within 30 a Neural internet brain connect will change everything and fast. Many will fight for the implant and who will be Neo ? Matrix time , Living Vicariously in a digital world.
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Anyone else wonder what happens heavy rain or snow and fog ?
I think everything and all other vehicles will need be digitally marked (5G) and once popular only self drivers allowed many roads as people drivers unpredictable.
How we be in 100 year? I think within 30 a Neural internet brain connect will change everything and fast. Many will fight for the implant and who will be Neo ? Matrix time , Living Vicariously in a digital world.
I have used autopilot on heavy rain and it does awesome. When is really bright that you cannot even see you cannot engage autopilot. If you can't see the cameras cannot see I think that's the the answer to your question but remember the car has a bunch of other sensors such a sonar, radar and tools like GPS and mapping and I imagine at some point it will have intuition like we do .


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Old Yesterday, 05:52 PM   #3008
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that reminds me of this but obviously is not big news because is not tesla.

https://carbuzz.com/news/ferrari-812...-will-fall-out

30,000 cars at $2,000-1,000 fix is chump change when you have 14.5B in the bank.

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Electrek obtained a letter that Elizabeth H. Mykytiuk, Tesla’s managing counsel for regulatory affairs, sent to NTHSA to tell them about the recall in China.

In the letter, Mykytiuk alleged that China forced Tesla to issue the recall.

“Due to the opinion of SAMR/DPAC that the topic required a recall in the China market, Tesla was left with the choice of either voluntarily recalling the subject vehicles or carrying a heavy burden through the Chinese administrative process. While Tesla disagrees with the opinion of SAMR/DPAC, the Company has decided not to dispute a recall for the China market only.”

Instead of a defect, Tesla puts the blame on drivers.

Mykytiuk wrote in the letter to NHTSA:

“Tesla has not determined that a defect exists in either the Front Suspension Aft Link or the Rear Suspension Upper Link and believes the root cause of the issue is driver abuse, including that driver usage and expectation for damageability is uniquely severe in the China market. If the customer inputs an abuse load (e.g., curb impact, severe pothole strike, etc.), then the parts may be damaged, leading either to immediate failure or delayed failure from the compounding effects of the initial abuse and subsequent load input.”

Tesla said that the failure in question happened in less than 0.05% of vehicles outside of China and in about 0.1% of vehicles in China.
https://electrek.co/2020/10/23/tesla...orcing-recall/

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