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Old 11-22-2018, 06:45 AM   #1
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Behold our best look yet at the upcoming 2020 Ford Explorer. Caught by our eagle-eyes spy shooter roaming the highways near Fordís Dearborn headquarters, this prototype is almost devoid of any camouflage, while wearing various production elements. Prior to this sighting, our best look yet at the 2020 Explorer was the 2020 Police Interceptor Utility Ė a version of the future Explorer for police duty.

In fact, this new prototype gives us our best look yet at the production grille and lighting elements.

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Out front, we can see the final grille design along with LED signatures. When compared to the Police Interceptor Utility, the 2020 Explorer features a less aggressive, friendlier face. In fact, we are probably looking at one of the lower-end models Ė either the base or the XLT.

Out back, a set of LED taillights with Fordís signature C-shaped lighting elements are present and accounted for. The unpainted, gray bumper cover and tucked-under dual exhaust tips further confirm our suspicions that weíre looking at the base model.



Overall, the shots show that the exterior design of the 2020 Explorer will be very much reminiscent of the current, fifth-generation model, while being more cleanly executed. The all-new model will also feature better proportions thanks to a switch to the Ford CD6 rear-drive platform shared with the 2020 Lincoln Aviator and 2021 Ford Mustang.
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A prototype for Fordís next-generation Explorer has been spotted again. The vehicle is expected on sale in 2019 as a 2020 model, and judging by the lack of camouflage gear the debut should take place very soon.

The last time the Explorer was redesigned was in 2011, when the popular SUV adopted car-like unibody construction and an inline-4 as the base powertrain. The 2020 model will follow a similar formula, though it looks to be growing in size.

The photos hint at evolutionary changes to the Explorerís shape but the face takes on a more prominent look with the redesign. Thereís still a big, blocky form for the body, plus space for three rows of seats.

Ford has much more radical changes for the parts we canít see, however. The 2020 Explorer will be one of the first models to ride on Fordís next-generation platform for larger models. Code-named D6, the highly flexible platform accommodates front-, rear- and all-wheel-drive configurations.

The Explorer will ride on a rear-wheel-drive configuration but offer all-wheel drive. This configuration is the same one Lincoln is using for its revived Aviator, which is also coming for 2020.

Ford's newfound love of aluminum should continue with the 2020 Explorer to help reduce weight and in turn improve economy.

2020 Ford Explorer spy shots - Image via S. Baldauf/SB-Medien
2020 Ford Explorer spy shots - Image via S. Baldauf/SB-Medien

And once again the base powertrain should be a turbocharged inline-4, specifically a version of the 2.3-liter mill in the Mustang Ecoboost. Above this is expected to sit a naturally aspirated 3.3-liter V-6. The 3.3-liter mill will also be available with a hybrid option.

For performance fans, a new Explorer ST has been confirmed. It will replace the current Explorer Sport, which comes with a 3.5-liter twin-turbocharged V-6 good for 365 horsepower. The Explorer ST's engine is expected to be a 3.0-liter twin-turbocharged V-6 with output hovering close to 400 hp.

Speeders beware, as the new Explorer will also do duty as a police vehicle. Michigan State Police recently tested the vehicle with the twin-turbo V-6 and found it to be quicker than any other police vehicle on the market.
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Hopefully they'll put their new 10'speed automatic in this and not recycle the old auto.
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In a turnabout, just five years after it shook the auto industry by dramatically switching the 2015 F-series pickup to an all-aluminum body, Ford adopted a ďmixed materialsĒ strategy to save weight on the 2020 Explorer SUV going on sale this summer.

ďWeight was a factor in every decision we made,Ē Explorer chief engineer Bill Gubing told me as he stood in front of a cutaway that exposed the SUVís structure ó including materials that include steel, aluminum, magnesium and plastic. ďWe looked at every part.Ē

The new approach reflects the decline in oil prices and an industry trend to use a carefully targeted selection of materials with characteristics and costs tailored to different types of vehicles.

The 2020 Ford Explorer's body is nearly all steel, but engineers used a variety of materials under the skin to save about 200 pounds versus the previous model.
The 2020 Ford Explorer's body is nearly all steel, but engineers used a variety of materials under the skin to save about 200 pounds versus the previous model.
Itís also payoff for the steel industryís ongoing work to come up with lighter, stronger versions of its product, which has dominated automaking since steel car bodies and frames replaced wood for most vehicles a century ago.

The new Explorer dropped about 200 pounds versus the old model, despite offering many new features. It's also 36% torsionally stiffer than the old Explorer. That means its body is less likely to twist and flex, a key to ride comfort and stability.

Thatís less than a third of the 700-pound plus reduction Ford claimed for the 2015 F-150ís all-aluminum body, but the preceding F-150 was notoriously heavy. Itís also such a popular vehicle that it could withstand the higher cost of a wholesale change as opposed to targeting individual parts and manufacturing processes. Buyers have rewarded Ford, which has sold more F-series trucks at higher prices since the change.

The 2020 Explorer benefits from low oil prices and offering a hybrid model that will boost fuel economy without the cost of switching the whole vehicleís body to aluminum.

ďThe Explorer is the most use of mixed materials ever by Ford,Ē Gubing said. ďWe considered all-aluminum.Ē

The 2020 Ford Explorer uses carefully targeted steel, aluminum, magnesium and other materials to save weight.

The 2020 Ford Explorer uses carefully targeted steel, aluminum, magnesium and other materials to save weight. (Photo: Ford)

You could call the í20 Explorerís engineering a more thoughtful approach than substituting one material for another wholesale. The level of detail hidden under the skin ó which is all steel, save for an aluminum hood ó would amaze most owners.

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The wall between the passenger compartment and engine is dimpled like a golf ball to reduce vibration and noise.

That dual-wall dashboard has an air gap between walls of steel and plastic to improve sound insulation without adding heavy padding.

Pieces of steel were strategically cut from a tube in the chassis to reduce weight by removing material where it wasnít needed.

A structural rear underbody rail is high-strength boron steel with ribs to reinforce high-stress areas and holes cut out where thereís less load.

A range of new steel grades and processes for different purposes, including stretch-bending, hydroforming, high-strength, martensitic and ultra high strength.

A similar variety of types and processes for aluminum, including castings, extrusion and heat treated.

The radiator is held in place by magnesium and plastic.

More lightweight magnesium is used for a beam that runs across the vehicle behind the dashboard.

Plastic in air conditioning ducts was made thinner, with reinforcing ribs.
A hybrid system will help the 2020 Ford Explorer save fuel.

A hybrid system will help the 2020 Ford Explorer save fuel. (Photo: Mark Phelan)
More: 2020 Ford Explorer: Here's' what's new

More: You may never have to change a tire with this SUV

The 2020 Explorer is the first of several vehicles that will use a new architecture Ford developed. Weight-saving decisions its engineers made will pay off in a range of upcoming models, including the 2020 Lincoln Aviator SUV that goes on sale later this year.

The 2020 Explorer is arriving at dealerships now.
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Explorers are so expensive and there’s so many more compelling alternatives when you get into the well equipped models that are well into $50k+. Good luck to Ford though as they need to sell lots since they no longer sell cars.

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That's probably the biggest shock is the price jump in the new Explorer outside of the base models. Its options quickly add up. I anticipate incentives by year's end to move these, especially since overall vehicle sales are slowing.
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That's probably the biggest shock is the price jump in the new Explorer outside of the base models. Its options quickly add up. I anticipate incentives by year's end to move these, especially since overall vehicle sales are slowing.
Yeah itís like building a German model for crying out loud. Starts at $36k and once you start clicking a few boxes and you are over $60k. I get that few people will spend MSRP but thatís uncomfortably close to the range of mid size German SUVís.
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Tahoe’s easily sell for $60k, or at least they did for a long time until
The designed got old. I could see ford selling a decent amount of higher trim optioned ones and we all know around end of q2 they start slashing 12% off plus dealer sales.
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You can get $10k off a BMW X5 as made in USA making it cheaper than the Ford Explorer highline models choose wisely at actual cost. Look on boards "how much did you pay " before you jump and resale values.
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That's probably the biggest shock is the price jump in the new Explorer outside of the base models. Its options quickly add up. I anticipate incentives by year's end to move these, especially since overall vehicle sales are slowing.

^^ This.

I see cars sitting on lots these days for a loooooong time. Hell, the Honda dealer near me is still trying to clear out brand new 2018 models! The car market is saturated and stuff is overpriced.........I present the Jeep Gladiator and the Ford Explorer as prime examples of the insanity that is car pricing these days.
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Want to know what would bring automobile prices down? Go back to 5 year max auto loans instead of this 7 year bull****. The amount of consumer debt is beyond ridiculous.
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Want to know what would bring automobile prices down? Go back to 5 year max auto loans instead of this 7 year bull****. The amount of consumer debt is beyond ridiculous.
I agree. Last 2 vehicles I financed I had options for 6 years or 72 months but they were an additional 1% APR and I declined, went for typical 60 months at 1.9%. No GAP either as I refuse to pay it and instead put very large down payments down. 6 and 7 years is crazy unless you know 100% you are keeping the vehicle until it won't drive anymore or repairs become more expensive than what the car is worth. I could see a financially responsible person doing a 72 or 84 month loan on something like a C8, with a 5 figure down payment to keep monthly down provided the person was going to keep it and not just turn around and trade the f'er in after 36 months. Like say a close to retirement person wanting to buy one and keep it for 10+ years and not wanting a massive monthly payment.

The automobile loan market is going to implode at some point. Analysts have been saying when not if for years now due to those 7 year loans. Last loan officer I talked to said 10 year loans are becoming more common now due to the pickup/suv costs where they are today. And the people doing those long loans are high interest. S is crazy.
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What is even more shocking is some people trade in cars and roll over that debt into the new car loan.
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6 and 7 years is crazy unless you know 100% you are keeping the vehicle until it won't drive anymore or repairs become more expensive than what the car is worth.
Depending on the repair, I'd even say repair it. Even a relatively "expensive" repair can be equivalent to only a few new car payments.

That rule of thumb came out when cars weren't skyrocketing in price relative to income.
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I agree. Last 2 vehicles I financed I had options for 6 years or 72 months but they were an additional 1% APR and I declined, went for typical 60 months at 1.9%. No GAP either as I refuse to pay it and instead put very large down payments down. 6 and 7 years is crazy unless you know 100% you are keeping the vehicle until it won't drive anymore or repairs become more expensive than what the car is worth. I could see a financially responsible person doing a 72 or 84 month loan on something like a C8, with a 5 figure down payment to keep monthly down provided the person was going to keep it and not just turn around and trade the f'er in after 36 months. Like say a close to retirement person wanting to buy one and keep it for 10+ years and not wanting a massive monthly payment.

The automobile loan market is going to implode at some point. Analysts have been saying when not if for years now due to those 7 year loans. Last loan officer I talked to said 10 year loans are becoming more common now due to the pickup/suv costs where they are today. And the people doing those long loans are high interest. S is crazy.
A lot of the loan term malarky has to do with primarily with two things:
1.) Uneducated buyers
2.) Predatory salespeople

There are a myriad of other contributing factors, but in general most people don't have a financial plan in place, and most salespeople are just trying to push tin for commission and/or a bonus in salary situations.
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I agree. Last 2 vehicles I financed I had options for 6 years or 72 months but they were an additional 1% APR and I declined, went for typical 60 months at 1.9%. No GAP either as I refuse to pay it and instead put very large down payments down. 6 and 7 years is crazy unless you know 100% you are keeping the vehicle until it won't drive anymore or repairs become more expensive than what the car is worth. I could see a financially responsible person doing a 72 or 84 month loan on something like a C8, with a 5 figure down payment to keep monthly down provided the person was going to keep it and not just turn around and trade the f'er in after 36 months. Like say a close to retirement person wanting to buy one and keep it for 10+ years and not wanting a massive monthly payment.

The automobile loan market is going to implode at some point. Analysts have been saying when not if for years now due to those 7 year loans. Last loan officer I talked to said 10 year loans are becoming more common now due to the pickup/suv costs where they are today. And the people doing those long loans are high interest. S is crazy.
Well, auto loan defaults are increasing at a very rapid rate. Upside down in your current car? Roll that negative equality into a new car and extend it out 84 months so youíre really hosed! For some, this might be a positive thing to roll negative equity into a new loan and actually keep the car long term. For most, itís just a snowball effect until repo and bankrupt.
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What is even more shocking is some people trade in cars and roll over that debt into the new car loan.
I think this is pretty normal as plenty of people simply double down and accept they will never pay off a vehicle.

Back on topic. As a consumer this vehicle makes no sense to me as there are so many better options at mid-range pricing. I get that North Americans have horrible taste wen it comes to vehicles but I donít like Fordís long term outlook if they are depending heavily on the success of this SUV to supplement the lack of car offerings.
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A lot of the loan term malarky has to do with primarily with two things:
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There are a myriad of other contributing factors, but in general most people don't have a financial plan in place, and most salespeople are just trying to push tin for commission and/or a bonus in salary situations.
Yep, every time I show any interest in a vehicle, they say, "What monthly payment are you looking for? We can make it work.". Of course you can make it work.
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I think this is pretty normal as plenty of people simply double down and accept they will never pay off a vehicle.

Back on topic. As a consumer this vehicle makes no sense to me as there are so many better options at mid-range pricing. I get that North Americans have horrible taste wen it comes to vehicles but I donít like Fordís long term outlook if they are depending heavily on the success of this SUV to supplement the lack of car offerings.
I think it's more of a "Ford can't make (enough) money selling cars in North America" more than "New Explorer will be the saving grace". Ford is still going to sell cars in other markets, they also have a full lineup of CUV's, SUV's and pickups for the NA market.

Brand loyalty is a thing of the past, most new car buyers don't care what badge is on the front (aside from luxury marques, and even that is questionable).

Explorer vs. Pilot vs. Ascent vs. Highlander vs. Telluride vs. Pallisade vs. CX-9 vs. Atlas. All start at 31k-32k, and go up from there; honestly the field of competitors doesn't look to good to me. I'd start by dumping everything that doesn't at least offer six cylinders and everything that uses a CVT.
I'd probably go Exploder knowing I can get a chunk of money knocked off and that parts & maintenance won't bleed me dry. Didn't bother mentioning everything, FCA and Chevy don't even get considered, honestly Atlas is out for me too.

Of all of the competitors, the new Explorer is the only longitudinal engine in the field; that's a tidbit that's worth something to me.
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Explorer vs. Pilot vs. Ascent vs. Highlander vs. Telluride vs. Pallisade vs. CX-9 vs. Atlas. All start at 31k-32k, and go up from there; honestly the field of competitors doesn't look to good to me. I'd start by dumping everything that doesn't at least offer six cylinders and everything that uses a CVT.
I'd probably go Exploder knowing I can get a chunk of money knocked off and that parts & maintenance won't bleed me dry. Didn't bother mentioning everything, FCA and Chevy don't even get considered, honestly Atlas is out for me too.

Of all of the competitors, the new Explorer is the only longitudinal engine in the field; that's a tidbit that's worth something to me.
I like the RWD platform. The cheapest V6 Explorer will be the $53k 3.3L V6 hybrid followed by the 3.0L EBV6 in the ST and Platinum trim at $55k and $58k, respectively. All lower trims come with the 2.3L EB I4.
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I don’t get the gripe in the pricing of the Explorer. Sure, it’s getting up their in price but you’re getting a 3 row SUV with arguably the best interior (domestic cars), smoothest ride (again, compared to domestics), performance, etc. Go build a Tahoe, Telluride, or any other 3 row SUV and tell me where you come in at on base, mid, and high (not including the garbage Ascent). The Explorer is priced correctly. Almost none of us here would even buy one if they were priced at $35k so we’re obviously not the target market but the market clearly exists.
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There are a myriad of other contributing factors, but in general most people don't have a financial plan in place, and most salespeople are just trying to push tin for commission and/or a bonus in salary situations.


When I purchased my 2012 Impreza (rip) it made sense to spread it out over 6 years since I put a good amount of money down. Interest rate was super low, and the diff in interest was minimal. It made sense to have a slightly less monthly payment
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I donít get the gripe in the pricing of the Explorer. Sure, itís getting up their in price but youíre getting a 3 row SUV with arguably the best interior (domestic cars), smoothest ride (again, compared to domestics), performance, etc. Go build a Tahoe, Telluride, or any other 3 row SUV and tell me where you come in at on base, mid, and high (not including the garbage Ascent). The Explorer is priced correctly. Almost none of us here would even buy one if they were priced at $35k so weíre obviously not the target market but the market clearly exists.
Base
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Telluride: $31,690

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Telluride SX with prestige package and AWD: $46,535
$5k difference in base isnít much at all especially when you consider base model features and quality. $8k on the high end, decent amount more but nothing horrible when again, factoring in quality. My point still stands. Itís on par with a Tahoe and other 3 row suvís.
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$5k difference in base isnít much at all especially when you consider base model features and quality. $8k on the high end, decent amount more but nothing horrible when again, factoring in quality. My point still stands. Itís on par with a Tahoe and other 3 row suvís.
A Tahoe isn't it's competition. Also, as a percentage of the vehicles overall cost 5K-8K$ is a huge difference in pricing. I'd also argue that the Telluride is actually nicer than the Explorer interior wise and fit and finish. If one's to believe J.D Powers ranking; Kia is rated much higher than Ford in quality...........
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