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Old 06-23-2019, 04:41 PM   #101
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The GT500 just seems like a numbers car to go after the Hellcat. As a perspective, the Hellcat is nearly 4500 lbs. The ZL1 at least sits under 4000 lbs (barely, depending on trim).
For sure it's going to be more drag race oriented than the GT350 (which really doesn't shine in a straight line) but it's got serious brakes and magneride so it's probably going to handle considerably better than a Hellcat and maybe more of a ZR1 competitor.
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Old 06-28-2019, 05:40 PM   #102
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Pricing for the 2020 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 is officially out. Hurrah! We learned it would produce 760 horsepower the other day, and now we know it'll cost $73,995 after the $1,095 destination charge and $2,600 gas-guzzler tax. With all the option boxes checked, you can get the price beyond $90,000. Most of that is thanks to an $18,500(!) available Carbon Fiber Track package.
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Old 06-28-2019, 07:20 PM   #103
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I rather love the new front end, especially the way the hood recesses between the front haunches and the power dome. That said, they can keep this car. The GT350 is so much more special.
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Old 07-10-2019, 11:39 PM   #104
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:37 AM   #105
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I rather love the new front end, especially the way the hood recesses between the front haunches and the power dome. That said, they can keep this car. The GT350 is so much more special.
Agree. While the black out bumper section is very EVO-esque it looks better than the other Mustang variants. I’m a Mustang fan but man this car is so expensive for a car that comes off the Flat Rock assembly line. I work with a guy that owns a GT350 and can attest (we park next to each other in the safe zone of the parking lot) has identical build quality to the cheapest entry level Mustang that rolls off the assembly line. Hopefully one day Ford is able to design front and rear bumper covers that properly attach to the body without poor alignment and gaps but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

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Old 07-11-2019, 10:45 AM   #106
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A friend just put down a deposit for his. He's paying 5k adm to get one.
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Old 07-11-2019, 01:42 PM   #107
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Nothing kills my desire for something faster than feeling like I'm being taken advantage of by someone somewhere along the way. I want the feeling to be the opposite, especially for big ticket items like house/car/etc.

Hope your friend likes it, but man... that's getting reamed IMO.
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Old 07-12-2019, 04:09 AM   #108
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$5,000 markup was the average overcharge for just the GT350 the first two years.
R model was $20,000+, IIRC.

And so many of them hit the used market within months of ownership.
I picked my Ď17 up with just 1,100 miles on it. The original owner had it less than nine months.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:22 AM   #109
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$5,000 markup was the average overcharge for just the GT350 the first two years.
R model was $20,000+, IIRC.

And so many of them hit the used market within months of ownership.
I picked my Ď17 up with just 1,100 miles on it. The original owner had it less than nine months.
Yeah, a little patience never hurts. I picked up my GT3RS with only ~1300 miles on it for well under MSRP. The previous owner had added quite a few things that I didn't have to pay for, such as full xpel, ceramic coating, tinted windows, prewired for radar/laser detectors and laser jammers, etc.

There are a lot of people out there that just have to have the latest thing to come out as soon as it comes out, and jump from car to car and barely drive them.
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Nothing kills my desire for something faster than feeling like I'm being taken advantage of by someone somewhere along the way. I want the feeling to be the opposite, especially for big ticket items like house/car/etc.

Hope your friend likes it, but man... that's getting reamed IMO.
According to him, the average ADM on the car goes from 10k to 50k right now.
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Old 07-12-2019, 01:35 PM   #111
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I've never paid an ADM, but I have overpaid handsomely for a used car!

GT500 cool and all, but would be much cooler if it was a smaller, lighter package. Can't see buying one (even at MSRP) over a beautifully discounted Z06.
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Old 07-12-2019, 01:39 PM   #112
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Nothing kills my desire for something faster than feeling like I'm being taken advantage of by someone somewhere along the way. I want the feeling to be the opposite, especially for big ticket items like house/car/etc.

Hope your friend likes it, but man... that's getting reamed IMO.
Simple demand economics. If something is limited supply and the demand exceeds it, you know damn well people will pay more to take it from someone who is willing to pay less or advertised market price. This happens with homes all the time. If its a sellers market, numerous bids go in with people often paying well and above asking price. Guess who wins.

If you don't like the price, think the price is fair, etc. then don't buy it. You're only being taken advantage of if you cave and pay the price knowing thats not what you want.

To some people, that car, house etc. is worth paying a premium over MSRP / list. Let them do it.


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I don't see why people get so upset about a dealer charging ADM. Its a business, their goal is to maximize profit. Buying a car is a privilege, not a right. If someone is willing to pay more than you to obtain something materialistic, they should have the privilege of obtaining that item over you. If a dealer has a car sitting on a lot for a long period of time with ADM and its clearly not moving, that dealer is a total putz and needs to realign the pricing with what people are willing to pay.

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There were 5-10k adm's on my car. I just waited it out and ended up buying well below invoice. Want to be first, then you'll pay for the privilege on a low production performance car. Have some g damn patience and you'll pay much less.
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I have zero problem with ADM. If there wasn't a demand for the car folks wouldn't pay it. It hasn't kept the used GT350 prices up any. Rather one paid 5k ADM for a R or 15k for an R on the used market it is still another R.

If you need a back seat this seems like a formidable offering. But at 100K I'd have to think someone lost their mind for a Mustang. Even at 45k I'm debating the worth of my 19 GT and I like the car. There aren't a ton of 460 HP cars with a back seat in the segment though.

I'm sure these will sell well both in the new and used market. I wouldn't touch a year one car and I wouldn't pay ADM either.
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There were 5-10k adm's on my car. I just waited it out and ended up buying well below invoice. Want to be first, then you'll pay for the privilege on a low production performance car. Have some g damn patience and you'll pay much less.
Exactly this! Why people canít grasp this concept and cry about it is beyond me.


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I have zero problem with ADM. If there wasn't a demand for the car folks wouldn't pay it. It hasn't kept the used GT350 prices up any. Rather one paid 5k ADM for a R or 15k for an R on the used market it is still another R.

If you need a back seat this seems like a formidable offering. But at 100K I'd have to think someone lost their mind for a Mustang. Even at 45k I'm debating the worth of my 19 GT and I like the car. There aren't a ton of 460 HP cars with a back seat in the segment though.

I'm sure these will sell well both in the new and used market. I wouldn't touch a year one car and I wouldn't pay ADM either.
$100k is pretty damn steep and I donít see the value in it. I guess if your shopping brand new, there isnít anything that matches up in terms of performance and cost until your dropping $200k+. The GT is also in that sweet spot where $40-$45k is still costly but if you factor in that itís brand new and the performance, nothing compares until youíre spending $65k+. Ford did a really good job positioning the mustang in the price and performance category.

I debated a used gt350 or a new mustang gt loaded against the M2 and both cars are amazing. They were just too big for me but still damn fun. That sound though.
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Old 07-13-2019, 07:15 PM   #116
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Exactly this! Why people canít grasp this concept and cry about it is beyond me.
Because itís the internet and all people do is complain on the internet. Whatís funny is even with no adm most complaining were never going to buy the widget anyways. I said it was lame as S on my car and that I didnít like it. I just know how this works and itís the customers at the end of the day that are the problem. If they wouldnít start jerking their diks......if people would just refuse to pay ADM then nobody would have to pay it.


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I debated a used gt350 or a new mustang gt loaded against the M2 and both cars are amazing. They were just too big for me but still damn fun. That sound though.
Same. I was on the fence hard after driving multiple GT350ís. Dealer I was buying from was dealing extremely hard on both. Same as you, doesnít matter if itís a Camaro or Mustang, they are just too large, too heavy. I know the aural visceral experience of the Voodoo would have worn off after a year. I just donít like the Pony cars enough to purchase one myself. I just drove a SS 1LE and left very unimpressed. Felt large, heavy, and it isnít much faster than my car. I looked up tires for it and itís something like $1800 for all 4 on TR. F that. I heart that Voodoo motor but even with my car and a Magnetic Grey 350 side by side and after driving both I bought the other car. In your comparo I would have bought the M2 also. I think another worthy car will be the Supra if Toyo makes a manual trans version.
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