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Old 07-04-2019, 02:16 AM   #1
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Default 2015+ Summer w/ Track Duty Tire recommendations

So i've been googling like crazy and can't really come across some good discussions that are recent about good Summer tires that can handle a few track days each year. The thread tend to be "There's tons of threads on this", but for the life of me, i can't seem to find useful threads.

I have a 2016 STI and will be ordering 18x9.5 RPF1's. I need to pair these with some tires. I'm trying to balance the trade offs; Tread wear, DD use vs. track duty capabilities and want to hear what everyone thinks is a good middle ground which i know you can't get a "good" track tire that also is a "good" DD tire with long tread wear, wet traction, etc.

Tires i'm looking at that i would love to hear peoples opinions on (265/35/18):
  • Falken Azenis RT615+
  • Federal 595R
  • Hankook Evo2
  • Dunlop Z11's
  • Bridgestone POTENZA S-04 POLE POSITION

Also open to hearing other options, but please state your reasoning.

I've owned the Z11's on my old built wagon, but never got to experience them on the track. Amazing traction for DD and what i could do around town.

I'm currently leaning towards the Falkens, but have heard they don't do well under heat at the track and tread wear is god awful and the Hankook's which i feel is a good DD tire, but does so-so on the track and has soft side walls.

I've seen the Hankooks on my model STI w/ RPF1's in my size (265/35/18) and the tire sizing looks perfect for "fitment" sake. The 595's are the best on the wallet, but i feel they're over sized and may cause me headaches squeezing them in. I've also heard they're loud AF.

EDIT: Also, comfort and noise really aren't that big of a deal to me. But i'd like to find that middle ground between track performance and the "quality of life" DD tires give (West, noise, tread wear)
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Old 07-05-2019, 10:36 AM   #2
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The Hankook RS4 is a good track tire that wears like iron.
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Old 07-08-2019, 08:19 PM   #3
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The Hankook RS4 is a good track tire that wears like iron.


Iíve narrowed it down (I feel) due to budget and at my skill level being so new to the track; ether rs4, evo2ís, 615+.

Anyone have direct experience with these?
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Old 07-08-2019, 08:22 PM   #4
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Also, ordered my enkei RPF1ís in 18x9.5 +38. So if anyone has any experience on tire sizing per brand, that would be helpful. I remember my ZIIís being way oversized.

Iíd like to get 265 or 255 in a 35. Might do 255 to minimiZe rubbing. Will be rolling flat and running camber suited for the track.
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Old 07-09-2019, 01:06 PM   #5
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I would go to the moto cross section and sub section autocross. A lot of good information there.

Almost everyone I've talked to that do AutoX frequently, they say run a dedicated tire/wheel set up specific for autox. Then for daily, run whatever you want.

Everyone praises the Re71r, however really not great for daily driving. I've read that if you want to be competitive, this is the tire you want. If you don't have the funds to run dedicated wheel/tire set up, you can run the Pilot Sports 4S. Good DD and great for Auto X.

The RPF's are light enough that you can run them for Auto x, but keep in mind class specs. Class specs have to be met by specific requirements for Tire and wheel size/width. Unless you don't care and you go into Street modified, but then you're going against completely built cars that are probably 2x faster than your car.

I for one run Indy hawk 500's, and they are great DD, not loud at all, and are more than capable autocross tire. They're pretty cheap on tire rack also.

Edit: Just checked 19 handbook, and you should be good with both tire size and wheel width.

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Old 07-11-2019, 06:38 PM   #6
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Track or autocross?

If track, how many track days per year and whatís your skill level? And do you swap in track pads yet?

For a beginner that doesnít swap pads your tires donít matter for the track. I started tracking on all season tires. It was hilarious. I had a lot of fun and learned car control at low speeds.

For intermediate driver that swaps in track pads for the track and uses high temp fluid you can get away with max performance summer tires. As you get faster youíll want to move up to extreme performance summer (200 treadwear) to avoid tire damage.

Max performance I like Michelin PS4S, also great for daily use.
The Hankooks are hugely popular in the 200 treadwear category. This category is too loud and uncomfortable for daily use in my opinion. I prefer to swap in tires for track, Nitto NT01. Last a long time and consistent.
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Old 07-11-2019, 10:35 PM   #7
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Track or autocross?

If track, how many track days per year and what’s your skill level? And do you swap in track pads yet?

For a beginner that doesn’t swap pads your tires don’t matter for the track. I started tracking on all season tires. It was hilarious. I had a lot of fun and learned car control at low speeds.

For intermediate driver that swaps in track pads for the track and uses high temp fluid you can get away with max performance summer tires. As you get faster you’ll want to move up to extreme performance summer (200 treadwear) to avoid tire damage.

Max performance I like Michelin PS4S, also great for daily use.
The Hankooks are hugely popular in the 200 treadwear category. This category is too loud and uncomfortable for daily use in my opinion. I prefer to swap in tires for track, Nitto NT01. Last a long time and consistent.
Track 3-4 times a year maybe.

Beginner.

No but i did get track oriented pads; "light duty" pads which held up GREAT, we were pushing it hard (Instructor actually told us, right before he boiled his brake fluid, that we were the fastest group he has had all year). In other words, we did good for the noob level class.

Currently tracking on Continental DWS's, which you're right, is a blast, and i certainly keep traction control on with 380 wtq as i'd rather not have a date with a wall at Sonoma cause the tires lost it. To be honest, they held up very well, i was impressed.

I will be swapping pads in the future once i get a more track oriented tire. I use high temp fluid already and swap fluids every track event; oil, trans, diff, brake fluid every 2 times.

I don't have the budget for 3 sets of tires; Track, summer, winter. But i do have it for Summer/Winter set.

I don't want to look back and wish i got a more aggressive tire. I'm not too worried about looking back and thinking the opposite.

At this point i'm looking at ZIII's, RE71's, 615+'s.

OR

More daily oriented like; Hankook evo2, Firehawk indy 500's (which would be fine most likely at my skill set)

At PS4S $$$ i might as well get something like RE71's?

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Old 07-11-2019, 11:25 PM   #8
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As a beginner track person I would recommend you get a set of Falken 615+ tires. I have/had a set last year and personally ran the same time this year with a set of RE71's at the same track. Granted last year on the Falkens they were 255 on a 8.5" wide wheel and this year the RE71's were 245 on a 9" wheel but the fact that my lap time was damn near exactly the same says quite a bit. With the rebate offered last year on the Falkens they cost me half the cost of the RE71's and lasted more track days.

Letting a friend drive he did run 5 seconds faster than me on the RE71's I might add.
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Keep in mind 200 treadwear tires will wear out quicker than 300, a consideration for budget conscious tire shoppers.

Does it snow in Sacramento? Could you get away with UHPAS when itís time to to replace the winter tires?
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RE71R's will probably last you two or three track days at Thunderhill, especially Thill west where turn 2 eats you front right tire.

There is a new tire to consider that is getting rave reviews, the Yokohama A052. 200tw like the Re71R but supposedly does better with heat and wear. These tires are more Autox focused though... Autox tires are different from track tires because they warm up faster and are sticky right away which usually means they wear more. Track focused tires take longer to warm up and get sticky but won't wear as fast on the track.

RE71R's/etc. Are just fine for daily driving around here, really fun on backroads too
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:29 AM   #11
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Thank you all for the input!

Sac doesn't get snow really, but it gets into the 30's over night and in the morning when i go to work (5:30am).

I have my DWS's, which are ultra high performance all seasons, that will take over winter duty.

My buddy with a GT3, voted for the 615+'s as well. They certainly are more in my ballpark for cost too. As he used to have them, but on his application.

From doing all the googling of keywords for all these tires, i heard the 615+'s don't do well with the heat at the track and are not meant for our super heavy and under steer prone cars. and the only tires have not heard bashed are the ZIII's and the RE71, except for their quality of life attributes (Daily drivability)


The tires will be 265/35/18 going onto my 18x9.5 +38 Enkei RPF1's.
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Old 07-12-2019, 09:33 AM   #12
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Also, any downside to not purchasing TPMS sensors for my aftermarket wheels? Could help save some dollars there then have more to spend on tires.

I have my stockers with the DWS's, which i could keep on their? or more beneficial to move to the track set? thoughts?
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Put TPMS on whatever wheels will spend the most time on the car. You should start incorporating checking tire pressures at the track anyway, so youíll be monitoring that yourself manually.

If you have UHPAS on there already I would run those year round and save the new tires for the track. That means you can go wild. :P
Nitto NT01s. Just do eet. Itís not just about the grip and lap times. They will hold up to the abuse well.
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Put TPMS on whatever wheels will spend the most time on the car. You should start incorporating checking tire pressures at the track anyway, so youíll be monitoring that yourself manually.

If you have UHPAS on there already I would run those year round and save the new tires for the track. That means you can go wild. :P
Nitto NT01s. Just do eet. Itís not just about the grip and lap times. They will hold up to the abuse well.
while tempting it is! If i were to have gone this route, i would have went with 17x9's and ran the 245/40 Nitto's. Unfortunately there's no way i can fit 275/35 or 265/40 in this tire.
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Old 07-13-2019, 01:16 AM   #15
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Coming over from a modded Evo 9 I am a plethora of Tire info...had to buy them every year for 14 years...anyway..Loved the Bridgestone RE10Rs and the Star spec IIIs too...the Firestone fh indy 500 is a good compromise to not have to buy tires yearly..you can get 2 years out of those. Digging the subie BUT have to change my 17 WRX limted suspension out for a 17 STI suspension and new sway bar yesterday...if anyone has a set in excellent shape hit me up.
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The EVO2 I had was not that good of summer tires. They are not very grippy and get greasy quickly on the track.
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Been happiest with RE71R on the track, I run different for rallyx (gravel spec) and SR4 have been great as well. On wet the RE71R is prob better than all weather's as well! Just keep them over 50 degree weather or they become hard as rocks and useless. Wear might be an issue, I buy new tires every season so I don't not pick cost. I also run dedicated winter when it snows or is under 40. Good luck
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Whelp. Had our second track day yesterday at Sonoma. Most guys running re71's and i think i'm gonna go with those as well.

Completely smoked my DWS's, looks like a torch was ran all over my fronts. Def need to rotate them. The car was pushing around everything so bad, def a lot less traction than our first day.... like A LOT. I'd hit boost coming out of the apex as i was unwinding the wheel and just massive pushing/under steer. Also couldn't get the car to point and go like day 1. I'm sure this will be fixed with having proper tires on given the amount of wtq i put down.

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FYI the TPMS system can be disabled through software so you don't have to use a second set of sensors. The guys at M45/Snail Performance can help you with that.
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FYI the TPMS system can be disabled through software so you don't have to use a second set of sensors. The guys at M45/Snail Performance can help you with that.
Perfect, cause i'm going up their for alignment once I get the tires.
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figured i'd update you guys.

Came home to these in the garage



The lady got me an early birthday gift.

Should be able to put down some good times at the track with these.
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What should put on my RPF1's to help protect them from brake dust pitting and make them easier to clean? There has to be some sort of "at home" ceramic coating or something i can coat them with
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