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Old 07-19-2019, 01:34 PM   #226
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:34 PM   #227
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I am just going say it. Without even knowing how it drives or the fact that it is sans manual transmission. GM just built the NSX honda should have built. I have to go throw up now but a simple affordable supercar that is RWD with no BS hybrid crap in it anywhere.

Just a powerful engine in an affordable car that should be hoot to drive.

Get on a waiting list soon folks.
I do agree this should have been the market Acura was shooting for with the NSX. I don't think Acura could ever hit the $60k entry price but if they could have been around the $70k mark the car would have been much more successful than the afterthought it's become. Good on GM for being able to do this and keep the price reasonable but this is a car I think a lot of people would be better off not being the early adopters. Anyone that pays more than MSRP for one of these needs to have their heads examined as there's never been a shortage of Corvettes for sale and paying more to be the first is just silly as they will pay more for the worst version of the car. The HVAC controls being on that long strip is one of the strangest interior concepts I've seen ever and will GM ever make a really nice steering wheel?
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:41 PM   #228
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I think what may be the waning decades of driver cars, GM just threw a hail mary and damn if it didn't make it into the end zone.
When I read "Mid-engine corvette will sticker under 60k" I immediately thought about the GT350, which stickers just under 60k...
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:52 PM   #229
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The sticker price is truly mind blowing.. Seriously I thought this would be over 100k. Now having said that, can you still fit 2 sets of golf clubs in it
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Old 07-19-2019, 01:58 PM   #230
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Original NSX was 70K. It was also 3000 lbs and not a carbon 1Xrooster (who speaks my language, Pre or Scrap probably).

I have to believe for twice the price Honda could've kept the weight the same and put a small displacement V8 in there, effectively becoming a poor-man's 458 - same spirit as the original. Probably been said 100X in the NSX thread.

This vette gets close for lots less money - with a few hundred extra lbs and a DCT. Kudos to them, but I'll be keeping my current mid-engine targa
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:00 PM   #231
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DCT transmission, eh?

Lots of complaints from manual converts on the R forum about how with stock programming, the computer often queues up the wrong gear, leaving you a sitting duck when you mash the pedal and the trans has to catch up. Honestly, a modern TC automatic might have been a better choice.

Wonder if a Manual might be offered at a later date... seems crazy to not offer this thing with a manual.

I get the arguments about keeping hands on the wheel, but once a computer is left in charge of picking gears for you, you've lost a lot of control...
That seems to be a VW issue with the DCT. My M2 with DCT is god damn flawless.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:03 PM   #232
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That seems to be a VW issue with the DCT. My M2 with DCT is god damn flawless.
aftermarket programming, and using "Sport mode" seems to fix it too. But as we all know, that will affect MPG ratings, so another example of a mfr engineering MPG ratings with shift points and gearing assumptions, making manual transmissions look worse than they actually are.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:19 PM   #233
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The sticker price is truly mind blowing.. Seriously I thought this would be over 100k. Now having said that, can you still fit 2 sets of golf clubs in it
Yep, and 5 pieces of luggage.
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:21 PM   #234
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aftermarket programming, and using "Sport mode" seems to fix it too. But as we all know, that will affect MPG ratings, so another example of a mfr engineering MPG ratings with shift points and gearing assumptions, making manual transmissions look worse than they actually are.
Yep.

I did hear the dct tuning helps for the R but it's still not perfect. I just don't understand the logic of tuning it that way from the factory especially when its in sports mode. The only time my dct will shift for me if i'm in manual mode is if i'm slowing down and forget to downshift into lower gears. Besides that, its been amazing,
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Old 07-19-2019, 02:23 PM   #235
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My experience with recent BMW DCT's has been pretty good. GM will probably get this one right.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:53 PM   #236
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Fork the supra and the next gen twins; Toyota take notes. Subaru take notes. THIS is how you deliver a new sports car that exceeds expectations.
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Old 07-19-2019, 03:54 PM   #237
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not gonna pick any nits given the absurd low price, this seems like a triumph for 'murican badassery

if a z51 can do an hpde without heat mgmt issues and the DCT functions well, then holy crap they have done well with this car.
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:11 PM   #238
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Yeah Acura should be in this market and could still with some sort of stripped out (not down) NSX without all the hybrid stuff, and go with a high rev screaming V6 and RWD. It wouldn't be as quick as the C8, heck it'll probably be slower than the Supra, or a V6 Camaro 1LE. I can't imagine what a GS trim on the C8 would look like.
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:16 PM   #239
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Doesn't look like the Corvette Museum has updated their site to reflect the new car, but this is how I would get mine.

OPTION “R8C”

https://www.corvettemuseum.org/visit/delivery-programs/
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:18 PM   #240
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Maybe not a grand slam, but this Vette is a monster homerun

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obligatory "no manual no care" now that I've gotten that out of the way; holy mother of god that is a lot of performance for not much cash, I might have to get over my three pedal requirement for it....
+1, I've never owned a GM product but this combo of $$$/looks/performance



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and will GM ever make a really nice steering wheel?
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Looking like it was ripped off a customized 1977 Dodge Tradesman van with the image of a Nordic goddess emerging from a lake airbrushed on the side, the steering wheel is a weird hexagonal shape. It may turn out that round steering wheels have been the wrong solution all these years, but there's still something disconcerting about this one.
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:25 PM   #241
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Curious to see how much ADM the first ones on lots will see...
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:25 PM   #242
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I'd take that steering wheel over my evo's 3 spoke any day. Can't tell you how often I wish I could just lazily grab the steering wheel by the middle along the bottom part of the circle during long road trips.

Also


I'd say the circle is overrated and probably HAS been the wrong shape all these years, considering the pinnacle uses a non-circular wheel (I know I know... they have like.. half a turn to lock so they don't need a full circle, I'm just being facetious).
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Old 07-19-2019, 04:48 PM   #243
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If Honda were responsive to the market, they would watch the success of this and release an NSX without all the hybrid stuff, under the Honda name as a C8 competitor. Make it a halo Honda Type R car instead of an Acura.

And yeah, I'd be in line with E.Nick trying to get a C7 ZR1 now, and hanging on to it until the higher performance versions (or when the bugs are all worked out) of the C8 are released. Then in 5 years or so, sell the C7 for a profit to make up the cost difference to whatever the C8 Z06 ends up costing.

But meh, I'm not going to buy a Corvette. Hopefully, the success of this can act as a wakeup call to manufacturers that there IS an appetite for an affordable sports car. Anything to shakeup the mass migration to crossovers and SUV's.
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Old 07-19-2019, 05:42 PM   #244
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Despite being the performance bargain of the century, I wonder if the MR layout will kill the “normal” sales that really propped up the sales. Rear viability will be bad, it won’t be as familiar to previous C5, C6, and C7 drivers, and the looks will really draw a ton of attention. I wonder if it will be “too exotic” for the Sunday driver crew.
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:39 PM   #245
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That rear quarter panel / wheel ratio looks awful in pictures. Hope it looks better in person . . . or the Z model rectifies that look.
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Old 07-19-2019, 08:43 PM   #246
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That rear quarter panel / wheel ratio looks awful in pictures. Hope it looks better in person . . . or the Z model rectifies that look.

I agree, the rear quarter shots make the car look terrible. It’s like a Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde car for me. From some angles it looks great and others it’s bad.
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Old 07-19-2019, 11:22 PM   #247
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Pros
Bonkers starting price for the package, if really under $60k
Love the front of the car

Cons
Bonkers starting price for the package, dealers will surely mark up and it is unlikely that dealers will order basic/stripper unpackaged cars.
Don’t like the side profile
Don’t like the rear design

Neutral
Interior looks to have gone upscale, not sure about the climate control buttons not the steering wheel. Will hold out till I see this in person

Got me very curious to see how this car is gonna hit the competition.
They're adding another shift at Bowling Green for this car. ADM will not last long and there should be plenty of allocations for special orders if you really want the base model.
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Old 07-19-2019, 11:47 PM   #248
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Hands down the best sports car deal ever. The price is half of what one would pay for the same performance and tech from any other manufacturer. I’ll be lurking at the Chevy dealership for the first time ever. Probably wait on the performance models before I sell off and pull the trigger. I will own one of these.
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Old 07-20-2019, 02:47 PM   #249
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Checked out some C7's. I couldn't do it. They're much better than the C6's, but they're still real POS's. They also lack immensely in feel, even compared to the Viper, which is quite the blunt tool, even in ACR guise. Same thing happened when I went to check out the C6 ZR1 many moons ago. Hence, still have never owned a Vette.

Might go see the more upscale version of the C7, the F12 - depreciation has hit them hard with the 812 being out.
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Old 07-20-2019, 03:46 PM   #250
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