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Old 11-29-2007, 05:57 PM   #51
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yeah for bumping a insanely old thread ..

93-95 impreza obd-1
jdm 20g/20k/207(5&6)/207(7/8/9)
usdm ej205(02-05)
usdm ej255 (04(05?) fxt/baja)
ej255[immobilizer] (06-07 wrx, 05-06 lgt, 05-06 fxt)
usdm ej255[immobilizer+can bus] (07+fxt&lgt, 08 wrx)

usdm ej257 (04 sti)
usdm ej257[immobilizer] (05-07 sti)
usdm ez30 (leg 00-04?)
usdm ez30r [immobilizer+can bus] tribeca 06?+ will require aftermarket ECU


96-01 impreza obd-2
jdm 207(7/8/9) - with ecu reflash illegal naughty
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usdm ej255[immobilizer] (06-07 wrx, 05-06 lgt, 05-06 fxt)
usdm ej255[immobilizer+can bus] (07+fxt&lgt, 08 wrx)

usdm ej257 (04 sti)
usdm ej257[immobilizer] (05-07 sti)
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:10 PM   #52
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thank you sir. this is an old thread with an insane amount of good information.
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Old 11-30-2007, 09:25 PM   #53
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Wow...definetly oldschool haha.

I'm so glad I went with the usdm sti swap =D
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Old 12-01-2007, 06:01 AM   #54
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Wow...definetly oldschool haha.

I'm so glad I went with the usdm sti swap =D
why is that? i dont mean to challenge you, but i would like to hear why you say so, since im very much torn between jdm or usdm swap right now.


right now im leaning towards jdm since the swap is almost 2grand cheaper in parts and labor, since the jdm 2.0 more or less drops in and wiring isnt as bad as usdm. im not worried about smog, since i will be running catted and with a utec it can be made obdII compliant.

i couldnt care less about whether or not the engine itself is legal, just because the government says something doesnt mean its correct...but ill save that for the OT forum
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:20 AM   #55
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if you plan to drive it on the road it is very important . if its a track only or off road car ...sure

especially in CA.. any place that has visual inspections and a tech with half a brain ... unless you plan to swap back your stock engien every 2 years
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:36 AM   #56
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My decision was simple really, I wanted everything the usdm STI had (2.5L, 6spd, etc), so finding a complete usdm salvage car was easier than importing a trashed JDM car.
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:34 PM   #57
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if you plan to drive it on the road it is very important . if its a track only or off road car ...sure

especially in CA.. any place that has visual inspections and a tech with half a brain ... unless you plan to swap back your stock engien every 2 years

i see what your saying but my last smog check the guy asked my why the radiator was mounted on my engine. and from what i hear its not uncommon for them to not know anything about subarus. the last smog visual consisted of a walk around, a sniffer test, and db testing.

On the otherhand, Ive been thinking about a jdm sti 6 speed mated to a low mile 06 or 07 engine, i think this would be alot more cost effective in the long run, though the swap would cost a bit more.
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Old 12-28-2007, 04:26 AM   #58
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bump to keep it alive? I need some closure here, I'm stuck between the ej20k or the
ej205...anyone?
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:27 PM   #59
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Supa old thread. My how things have changed. I hadn't even completed my first swap when this went up. Now that I've done or helped on about half a dozen I definitely have some different opinions. While I still believe that swapping like generations is the easiest, it doesn't really matter. It's all wiring when it comes down to it and it can be mixed and matched any which way. I've seen early Ej20G's into OBD-II RS's, and I've seen OBD-II EJ205's into OBD-I Imprezas...

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Are you putting this into your '02 WRX? If so, I don't know who is telling you that there's less wiring to install the JDM Ej207 than an Ej255/7. It really should be the same. In fact, if you are willing to forgo the AVCS there's no wiring as you will use your own intake manifold harness and just tune it. I don't really consider those sorts of engine changes swaps as much as they are just engine replacements and retunes.

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Since your car is OBD-I, I would personally go with the Ej20K. It's way more power right out of the box. To get the EJ205 to the same power level you are going to need another $500-1000 worth of exhaust components and $500+/- for a tune.

Of course the upside of the Ej205 is the reliabilty and lower mileage. It's very likely that any Ej205 you find will be freshly removed from a car while many of these ej20k's have sat in Japanese junkyards for a year or two...
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:40 PM   #60
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one thing to add to matt's wisdom is that with a $90 tactrix cable and a laptop a ej205 ecu has 90% of the features as most standalones
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Old 12-28-2007, 12:57 PM   #61
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one thing to add to matt's wisdom is that with a $90 tactrix cable and a laptop a ej205 ecu has 90% of the features as most standalones
...if you know what you are doing.

I have seen 3 Colorado locals pop motors in the last six months because they thought they were mad tyte tuners and used open source ECU programming...
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:42 AM   #62
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...if you know what you are doing.

...mad tyte tuners and used open source ECU programming...
I cant even figure windows vista out...I'm not going to tune anything! So I'm better off with a 96/97 coupe/sedan sti engine, avoid the 240ps ej20g gf8 engines? Just making sure I know what exact one I should look for.

I still want the reliability, or at least insurance that a usdm engine will provide me though. I travel A LOT, mostly flying, but I can use my car if I want. I'd rather roll 2 states away with the usdm engine. To me, the higher initial hp level of the ej20k is all that appeals to me. Like 274 I think? Nice...I'll go 205 if someone can clearly explain what it would take to get the ej205 into a SAFE 300 hp range. I hear they go bad soon after the 300 mark?
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:51 PM   #63
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damn i should have subscribed to this one, i would have gotten in on the conversation.

yes i plan on dropping it into my 02 wrx wagon, and i would like to take full advantage of avcs and twinscroll and everything else IF i end up going 2.0 jdm. recently ive been seeing a few blown head gaskets and engines going bad because of oil starvation in piston #4. These were modded with usually an 18g or a green with supporting mods on a 2007 sti. Maybe i should swap to 06 instead? i dunno. if the jdm is more bulletproof, id rather just run that with a tim bailey tune or something.

on the otherhand, i could swap usdm, and have an readily available supply of parts, better performance over my dieing wrx, and would probably end up going fp green w/ supporting mods and call it a day. what do you think mr. monson?


edit: lol its may 1st, 4 days before my 21st b-day. ive decided to go the jdm 207 route, since we have a few reliable vendors on here that look like they will be around for a while, and ive learned so damn much in the last 3 months. in the end its just personal preference really, as both have their drawbacks and their pluses. after riding in a 257 sti and a 207 swapped wrx, 207 wins for me. 257 has more torque off the line, but i liked the overall powerband of the 207 much better, even with it being detuned for 91. i dont plan on going a big turbo, maybe a nice twinscroll setup and thats it.

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Old 08-23-2009, 03:58 AM   #64
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It's hard to find good JDM STi clips with low mileage.

I found a clip for about 3500 on passwordJDM

Anyone know good places?
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Is installing a front clip easier than an engine swap?
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Old 08-23-2009, 11:53 PM   #66
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its same amount of work to me unless ya converting to rhd and everything then you just firewall swap it and etc plug n play.
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:30 AM   #67
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Also I'm understanding swapping in a JDM drivetrain is pricy too??
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Old 12-10-2010, 04:06 PM   #68
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I'm bringing this back too

It wasn't covered in here but I figure this is a pretty good thread to ask;

Can the jdm gc swaps be maintained using usdm parts?
-timing belt
-tensioner
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-oil pump
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I recall some Nissan crap like sr20 parts being jdm and usdm specific. So if I have to special order a jdm alternator or ps pump or the like to keep my hypothetical v3 swapped 01Rs running, I might regret the conversion

However, assuming usdm ej205 peripherals/accy's interchange, then a jdm swap is for me. If its true: the wiring is 100% plug-n-play if doing the rhd conversion, that weighs heavily in favor of a jdm swap for me. Similarly, if retaining LHD for a jdm swap only involves LENGTHENING the jdm cabin harness with no other severe wire tracing, pinouts, connector depinning or color decoding, that's a very lucrative option... If I can find a now-16+ yr old LGT subframe to clear the up pipe. I hear The GD subframe will bolt into the GC with shims but ive also heard the lower control arm length is wrong/too long for the narrow body gc. Only the 02+ wagon subframes are appropriate in dimensions. Sourcing either of this will surely hinder swap progress and add extra cost if I opt out of the RHD conversion.

Also, I'm in Florida where emissions was repealed almost a decade ago. So visual, sniffer and refs are of no consequence to me.

Also, for the record, japanes fuels are rated in RON only so 98octane only translates into about 93octane. In the states, we use RON+MON/2 andthe average is the advertised pump octane number. "research octane number" can be as high as 100 for the anti-knock index but its speculative or an estimate. The refineries have single piston test engines which test every batch of fuel and yield the "motor octane number". They average the results out for a conservative aki/octane number.
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I'm bringing this back too

It wasn't covered in here but I figure this is a pretty good thread to ask;

Can the jdm gc swaps be maintained using usdm parts?
-timing belt
-tensioner
-seals
-water pump
-oil pump
-alternator
-ps pump
-etc

I recall some Nissan crap like sr20 parts being jdm and usdm specific. So if I have to special order a jdm alternator or ps pump or the like to keep my hypothetical v3 swapped 01Rs running, I might regret the conversion

However, assuming usdm ej205 peripherals/accy's interchange, then a jdm swap is for me. If its true: the wiring is 100% plug-n-play if doing the rhd conversion, that weighs heavily in favor of a jdm swap for me. Similarly, if retaining LHD for a jdm swap only involves LENGTHENING the jdm cabin harness with no other severe wire tracing, pinouts, connector depinning or color decoding, that's a very lucrative option... If I can find a now-16+ yr old LGT subframe to clear the up pipe. I hear The GD subframe will bolt into the GC with shims but ive also heard the lower control arm length is wrong/too long for the narrow body gc. Only the 02+ wagon subframes are appropriate in dimensions. Sourcing either of this will surely hinder swap progress and add extra cost if I opt out of the RHD conversion.

Also, I'm in Florida where emissions was repealed almost a decade ago. So visual, sniffer and refs are of no consequence to me.

Also, for the record, japanes fuels are rated in RON only so 98octane only translates into about 93octane. In the states, we use RON+MON/2 andthe average is the advertised pump octane number. "research octane number" can be as high as 100 for the anti-knock index but its speculative or an estimate. The refineries have single piston test engines which test every batch of fuel and yield the "motor octane number". They average the results out for a conservative aki/octane number.
I believe the majority of usdm parts can be used, will depend on the specifics of your drivetrain.

I'm also not sure doing a rhd conversion in order to save some wiring work is the right way to approach the project - the conversion in and of itself is a huge pain, to the point where it may make sense to ask for some wiring help and stick to lhd.
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I have a 2004 WRX and my engine blew due to water damage. I know much of nothing about cars and the mechanic who is doing the swap does very good work, I just don't think he's very fluent with Subarus. What I wanted to do was an 2.5 engine/tranny swap, but the more I read up on it the more I thought I was going to run into potential problems and would need to get it tuned.

I just ordered a JDM EJ20T and I'm hoping everything goes in with no snags. The guy on the phone that I ordered it from said everything should be simple. As far as wiring, he said the wiring harness may have to be swapped over from the old engine but should plug right in. Should the engine go right in without any problems or are there any expected issues? I'm hoping this process doesn't get screwed up by not going with a USDM.
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I just ordered a JDM EJ207 (I think). It was on eBay, which I can see is generally regarded as a bad decision, but it was too tempting. It has only (approximately) 40k miles, and comes with the engine and all its accessories (a/c compressor, alternator, power steering pump and such), the turbo, intercooler, up and down pipes and all the associated sensors and electronics. On top of that, it comes with the transmission and stock (JDM) ECU and the "complete" harness. It's out of a '00 JDM GC8 WRX. The seller, Sunrise Auto Parts in Montreal, imports and sells JDM engines all day long. They assure me the engine was tested and running before it was removed from the vehicle in Japan.

I'm taking the gamble because the price ($2400 plus shipping) fits really well into my budget (a complete clip does not), and I figure since this beast needs a new motor anyway, this whole engine/trans assembly costs less than a remanufactured long block for the stock motor.

Also, I'm doing the work myself, so the relative ease of installation of the same model year engine and trans has a big appeal. I can stretch the harness the extra 2 feet or whatever, no problem. And if everything else is plug-and-play, I figure I'll have this thing in and out in a couple days, maybe 3 or 4 if I hit a major snag. (I'm a mechanic and I have a shop to work in with lifts and the necessary tools, but I've never done this kind of swap before, so somebody, please, tell me if I'm crazy.)

Now, I know how to sneak my car around the OBD2 emissions test in Philadelphia, but I wonder if anyone here knows what I'd have to do if I wanted to make my car legitimately legal in PA. Specifically the OBD2 emissions counties.

To clarify, the PA OBD2 emissions test is way simpler than Cali's. You just hook the thing up to the machine through the DLC and it scans for codes and readiness monitors. If the ECM has run all its monitors and didn't set any codes, the car passes.

I seriously hope I didn't make a huge mistake, but I'm still super stoked for this thing to arrive. (THURSDAY WILL NOT COME SOON ENOUGH)

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I am looking to swap a v8 ej207 into my 04 sti, buI'm looking to really find out what needs to be done for this to work I already know about the electronic vs throttle by wire, and the cam sensors. I'm on here to hopefully find some clarification on what all is entailed for this engine swap before I throw out this option and stick with a built ej257.
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I just ordered a JDM EJ207 (I think). It was on eBay, which I can see is generally regarded as a bad decision, but it was too tempting. It has only (approximately) 40k miles, and comes with the engine and all its accessories (a/c compressor, alternator, power steering pump and such), the turbo, intercooler, up and down pipes and all the associated sensors and electronics. On top of that, it comes with the transmission and stock (JDM) ECU and the "complete" harness. It's out of a '00 JDM GC8 WRX. The seller, Sunrise Auto Parts in Montreal, imports and sells JDM engines all day long. They assure me the engine was tested and running before it was removed from the vehicle in Japan.

I'm taking the gamble because the price ($2400 plus shipping) fits really well into my budget (a complete clip does not), and I figure since this beast needs a new motor anyway, this whole engine/trans assembly costs less than a remanufactured long block for the stock motor.

Also, I'm doing the work myself, so the relative ease of installation of the same model year engine and trans has a big appeal. I can stretch the harness the extra 2 feet or whatever, no problem. And if everything else is plug-and-play, I figure I'll have this thing in and out in a couple days, maybe 3 or 4 if I hit a major snag. (I'm a mechanic and I have a shop to work in with lifts and the necessary tools, but I've never done this kind of swap before, so somebody, please, tell me if I'm crazy.)

Now, I know how to sneak my car around the OBD2 emissions test in Philadelphia, but I wonder if anyone here knows what I'd have to do if I wanted to make my car legitimately legal in PA. Specifically the OBD2 emissions counties.

To clarify, the PA OBD2 emissions test is way simpler than Cali's. You just hook the thing up to the machine through the DLC and it scans for codes and readiness monitors. If the ECM has run all its monitors and didn't set any codes, the car passes.

I seriously hope I didn't make a huge mistake, but I'm still super stoked for this thing to arrive. (THURSDAY WILL NOT COME SOON ENOUGH)
Correct me if I am wrong but once the JDM ECU is in, it will not talk to any unit, other than a tactrix cable. Which will cause problems for emissions testing using a handheld scanner, but they should be able to work with a laptop and tactrix.
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I own a 2006 impreza sportswagon with originally a 2.0 sohc engine and 5 speed manual. Sohc engine developed a bottom end knock so i purchased a jdm 1989 legacy gt donor car with a 2.0 dohc turbo engine in it running a vf10 turbo. I have started this in the donor car with an australian 03 wrx sti 6k computer. Now my big problem is wiring. The 06 has 2 small plugs in engine bay, one with 13 wires and one with 16 wires.
The 89 has similar 2 plugs but one has 12 wires n the other has 13 wires. Basically what im asking is will these two looms be compatible if i cut and shut them? And if so does anyone know how to do it the least painful way possible.
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Correct me if I am wrong but once the JDM ECU is in, it will not talk to any unit, other than a tactrix cable. Which will cause problems for emissions testing using a handheld scanner, but they should be able to work with a laptop and tactrix.
my $50 scan tool reads my JDM ecu just fine. it depends how old the equiptment is. if someone is using an old scan tool, then it might not read the JDM ecu.
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