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Old 09-13-2017, 11:55 AM   #76
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Doesn't the state of Washington actually require consumers to pay a fee when purchasing EV's instead of providing a tax incentive?
An extra registration fee? Yes. It's to recover lost fuel tax revenue. Demand here for EV's negates the need for a tax incentive. Enough people are incentivized by their own morals, not just their wallet.
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Actually the Post office is bringing in EV vehicles into the mix, especially in large metro areas. They have added 30 EV carriers in NY, and has plans to greatly increase EV and Alt Fuel vehicles into their mix.
Been hearing that since 2008. Govt gave Miami 25 Prius and they let them sit in a lot till the batteries bricked. ENRON guys still out there under other names. Everyone wants one but how many can show me photos of your car with your name on title ?
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Also remember that some of the bans are not full bans on all ice cars. England would still allow hybrids and phev sales.
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Old 09-13-2017, 02:42 PM   #79
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An extra registration fee? Yes. It's to recover lost fuel tax revenue. Demand here for EV's negates the need for a tax incentive. Enough people are incentivized by their own morals, not just their wallet.
Wow, just wow. That is the greatest amount of self righteous pompous back patting I have ever read on the internet. Do I have your permission to be amazed Lord and Commander of all things morally right?

also, make no mistake Washington gives many tax breaks for EV and hybrids as well. Quite a few actually.

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Come July, a wider range of fully electric and extended range plug-in hybrid cars will benefit from a sales tax break in Washington state. Gov. Jay Inslee signed legislation Monday to raise the cutoff for a tax incentive.

JJ McCoy of the Seattle Electric Vehicle Association says that means the upcoming Tesla Model 3, Chevy Bolt and next generation Nissan Leaf should qualify.

"I really think once those cars are hitting showrooms and are properly incentivized, we're really going to see electric vehicle adoption take off,” McCoy said. “This is a very exciting offering."

Beginning in July, the sales tax exemption applies to the first $32,000 of the selling price of a qualifying new electric car. That nets a tax savings between $2,600 to $3,100 for electric car buyers depending on where the dealer is located in Washington.

The sales tax varies slightly from county to county. The sales tax exemption also applies to monthly payments on newly-executed leases.

McCoy said the Washington Legislature trimmed the value of the EV sales tax break from the current $35,000 maximum exemption to offset the hit to the state treasury from expanding the number of qualifying vehicle models.

The sales tax break is currently limited to alternative fuel vehicles with a sales price up to $35,000. That threshold was intended to exclude luxury models such as Teslas and BMWs. This winter, EV enthusiasts and automakers convinced lawmakers to raise the threshold to include vehicles where the base model has a MSRP up to $42,500.

McCoy said that level captures the "mid-market" including the BMW i3 with a MSRP of $42,400 and the much heralded Tesla Model 3 whose price is expected to start around $35,000.

Governor Inslee also expressed optimism about achieving the intended boost to plug-in car adoption in brief remarks during a bill signing ceremony in Olympia.

"This should result in more vehicle models qualifying for the exemptions than do qualify under current law and help us meet my Results Washington goal of 50,000 electric vehicles on the road by 2020," Inslee said.

Washington's alternative fuel vehicle sales tax exemption is slated to expire midway through 2019. It could expire sooner if sales of electric vehicles accelerate. Legislators decided the tax break should end the month after 7,500 qualifying vehicles are sold in Washington state. The state Department of Licensing was directed to start a tally beginning with EV registrations since July 15, 2015.
OF note they want to have 50,000 EV in the state on the roads by 2020. So they do not have them yet, but lets say they get to 50k. That would mean that 0.6% of the people in Washington State are morally superior to us plebes. So when you say people are incentivized by morals, do you mean all the good people of washington or do you just mean the morally superior ones? Because it would see a far greater amount are just like the rest of the good ole USA and do not give a crap about EV.

Based on a population of 7.288 million. I would have that their were more of you.

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Wow, just wow. That is the greatest amount of self righteous pompous back patting I have ever read on the internet. Do I have your permission to be amazed Lord and Commander of all things morally right?


I think you're mistaken. I pat the back of no one. The people here vote for all sorts of things environmental that even I find ludicrous. Looks like you've done more research into EV purchasing in WA than I have...

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I think Tesla in for a big run for the money now that EU cities forcing people into battery electrics. Don't think he can get the numbers out to profit as an industry. VW has some winners if people will buy them. HEY whatever happened to DETROIT ELECTRIC car that got taxpayer funding ?

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Old 09-13-2017, 03:19 PM   #82
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I think you're mistaken. I pat the back of no one. The people here vote for all sorts of things environmental that even I find ludicrous. Looks like you've done more research into EV purchasing in WA than I have...
I know and I hate you for it
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Let's bring this back.

China limiting their energy sources for the sake of pollution in 30 years time is ludicrous. They are currently at 20% total renewable sources for energy. They'll have doubled renewable production in ~10 years, which is commendable, but it's still far short of what a 30 year window will afford them. Why do I assume this? For starters, we are only talking about today's demand. What will their demand be in 30 years with increases in population and consumption? Their enemy isn't keeping with and maintaining status quo, they have to factor in massive natural growth as well.

Coal plants sound to be their big investment. What will happen to the environment when more and more come on line to meet demand? Where is the coal coming from? Will America be a continuous train car full of coal to the ports?

Also, for those who assume divestment in oil from Europe and Asia will benefit the US and poverty nations with reductions in oil prices, think again. I predict the opposite will be true. Prices will increase to the point we will be forced to go along with Europe and Asia. It's one of those economic cases where price is driven by supply rather than demand. Like a utility. And investment in supplying oil will shrivel up because the vast majority of major markets have divested in its production.

I think getting hung up on not wanting an EV and tunnel vision arguing your preferences or ideals detracts from a reality our kids and grandkids are going to inherit.
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My kids are inheriting the exact same world I did. Unlike the hype, they will not inherit a world were the oceans cover the land. All the animals are dead, and people are starving everywhere. That is fear mongering and lies.
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My kids are inheriting the exact same world I did. Unlike the hype, they will not inherit a world were the oceans cover the land. All the animals are dead, and people are starving everywhere. That is fear mongering and lies.

Do you consider a price prohibitive increase in a gallon of gas and driving an EV akin to a meteor strike? I remember not too long ago gas was over $5 a gallon for a couple years. That was with 'normal' markets. Divestment is not normal.
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My kids are inheriting the exact same world I did. Unlike the hype, they will not inherit a world were the oceans cover the land. All the animals are dead, and people are starving everywhere. That is fear mongering and lies.
Well, to be truthful, it is quite a different world than what we inherited. Our parents didn't have access to almost all the worlds knowledge in the palm of their hands, Open access to almost anywhere to the world, etc.

Thanks to the accelerated rate of change, each generation will live in quite a different place.
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And here's one take... Used to be divide and conquer - now it's simply polarize the masses and they conquer themselves.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-0...beat-em-ban-em
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Well, to be truthful, it is quite a different world than what we inherited. Our parents didn't have access to almost all the worlds knowledge in the palm of their hands, Open access to almost anywhere to the world, etc.

Thanks to the accelerated rate of change, each generation will live in quite a different place.
I was just speaking climate wise.

The cost of information is rapidly approaching zero. That has and will continue to have consequences (for better or worse) far beyond what I can even imagine
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I was just speaking climate wise.

The cost of information is rapidly approaching zero. That has and will continue to have consequences (for better or worse) far beyond what I can even imagine


That post was made just to give you a bit of grief...just cause I like you.
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My kids are inheriting the exact same world I did. Unlike the hype, they will not inherit a world were the oceans cover the land. All the animals are dead, and people are starving everywhere. That is fear mongering and lies.
denying climate change is just as reckless as the examples you've provided.
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How many kittens will have to die if I deny climate change right now?
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I would be cautious about saying what percentage of energy you get from what. The grid is connected. Green energy companies use all the same infrastructure as coal. You really have no way of knowing what amount you get from who. It is great marketing. The only way to be sure is to make your own power.

I have no idea what percentage I am, nor do I care. Nor will I ever car. When I turn on the switch I want the light to go ON. LOL
Lol you are clueless...
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How many kittens will have to die if I deny climate change right now?
Their is nothing to deny
Climate always changes
It's the man made part that is donkeys dumb

But it is not polite to insult ones religious beliefs

Gore was wrong, let's move on
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How many kittens will have to die if I deny climate change right now?
I dare you
I say you won't deny it

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denying climate change is just as reckless as the examples you've provided.
I denied it for the past 20 years nothing has happened yet
And it won't
Bet that bugs you
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https://insideclimatenews.org/news/2...ge-authors-say

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They also examined a key point that has come up in recent years: whether the company faces a financial risk of stranded assets as policy makers shift world economies away from fossil fuels because their emissions cause global warming.
THIS is the point I'm making. Follow the $$$$. Whenever a Rockefeller foundation funds something, especially through Harvard, I put on my tinfoil hat and sooperskeptic goggles. It doesn't matter if Gore was right, or whether man is causing or not causing climate change. It's the inevitableness of whatever it is that is being pushed or that is being NOT being pushed that matters. Nick's comment about divide and conquer plays out in these threads as if scripted. Why? If you assume none of it matters and look at it objectively, both extreme side talking points have nothing to do with what's really going on. It's noise and distraction. Which is why I just assume some of y'all are paid to argue nonsense...fake news.
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My kids are inheriting the exact same world I did. Unlike the hype, they will not inherit a world were the oceans cover the land. All the animals are dead, and people are starving everywhere. That is fear mongering and lies.
Not true.
My father was a far more social person than I am, and my kid has way better electronics to distract him from the real world.
My grand kids will probably have a Star Trek like holo-deck; at that point I expect the human race to just fizzle out.
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