Second-generation Toyota GT86 greenlighted by Bosses

[Doobie Scoo]

Originally Posted by SubaDuba420

No idea if / how true, but from the DRIVE article:

By comparison, warranty engine replacements for the Subaru BRZ are relatively easy, according to owners. This does not appear to be the case with Toyota.

To be fair Subaru probably has a fair amount of engine failure replacements built into their business model by now, Replacing engines under warranty has kinda been their thing for around 16 years now...

Toyota not so much.

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[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by dwf137

I'm also curious why Toyota is getting all the press, when it's a Subaru engine... Is Subaru not declining warranties?

Probably because of the way Toyota is handling the issue instead of performing warranty work.

[heavyD]

Originally Posted by Doobie Scoo

To be fair Subaru probably has a fair amount of engine failure replacements built into their business model by now, Replacing engines under warranty has kinda been their thing for around 16 years now...

Toyota not so much.

Yeah Toyota isn't likely accustomed to having several vehicles in the shop waiting on new engines like Subaru dealerships in the day where multiple STI's would be waiting on new engines.

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by heavyD

Yeah Toyota isn't likely accustomed to having several vehicles in the shop waiting on new engines like Subaru dealerships in the day where multiple STI's would be waiting on new engines.

Not to defend the Subaru engine that’s in there but it’s not like it’s the first year of the BRZ/86 vehicle. Seems like prior generations have been fairly reliable.

That said, I still think Toyota should have just slapped the BMW 4 cylinder turbo with 6 speed in there and kept the I6 turbo in the Supra.

[SubaDuba420]

Originally Posted by heavyD

Yeah Toyota isn't likely accustomed to having several vehicles in the shop waiting on new engines like Subaru dealerships in the day where multiple STI's would be waiting on new engines.

Nope, Toyota is accustomed to having several vehicles waiting on new frames though, my local dealer was getting 10 frames dropped off every month....for many, many months

[White out]

Originally Posted by dwf137

I'm also curious why Toyota is getting all the press, when it's a Subaru engine... Is Subaru not declining warranties?

Because it is a Toyota dealer and Subaru people know the hell they are getting themselves into.

[thill]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

Not to defend the Subaru engine that’s in there but it’s not like it’s the first year of the BRZ/86 vehicle. Seems like prior generations have been fairly reliable.

That said, I still think Toyota should have just slapped the BMW 4 cylinder turbo with 6 speed in there and kept the I6 turbo in the Supra.

That would have been one heck of a car. I would buy that for sure.

[Ultimateone]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/commen...h_toyota_will/

internet wins

[Ultimateone]

https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/commen...h_toyota_will/

internet wins

[Pre]

I detest social media as much as Disney but for stuff like this, and the negative attention it brings, worth it even though I will never participate. I guess if I ever get strong armed by Gulf States Toyota, I will have to create accounts.

[godfather2112]

I wonder how that will work for the dude that bought a used engine and had it put in by a Subaru dealer. Will they reimburse him for the total cost?

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by Pre

I detest social media as much as Disney but for stuff like this, and the negative attention it brings, worth it even though I will never participate. I guess if I ever get strong armed by Gulf States Toyota, I will have to create accounts.

This social media stuff is a double edge sword. Social media got Toyota to act right and cover the cost of the repair, but it also got the owner of the car in trouble because Toyota dug out that picture showing the car cornering "hard" on an AX course...

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

[...]Seems like prior generations have been fairly reliable. [...]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/37435/...bacle-drags-on

Except for the now infamous valve springs recall of 2019...
So, people were going in to get valve springs replaced as they could potentially break.
Soon after the recall was performed, quite a few engines experienced rod knock... Maybe another case of too much RTV? Who knows.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

This social media stuff is a double edge sword. Social media got Toyota to act right and cover the cost of the repair, but it also got the owner of the car in trouble because Toyota dug out that picture showing the car cornering "hard" on an AX course...

Very true. But the last thing I’d do is post photos online, of anything. So it would just be for a stealer or mfr refusing to honor warranty for some bs reasoning they supply.

But to your point, yes, it’s why I don’t f with any of that garbage sans watching stuff on you boob. Utter waste of time and a plague on society it is.

[Calamity Jesus]

Originally Posted by thill

That would have been one heck of a car. I would buy that for sure.

Yep. An inline 4 would be far more tunable than any NA Subaru engine.

[Kostamojen]

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[KC]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

http://youtu.be/tmwchs1TFfE

Recall in 5...4...3...2...1...

[Pre]

Subaru continue to kill it with their engines.

[KillerBMotorsport]

Not as bad as some have made it out to be. I've seen way worse.

[Sid03SVT]

Originally Posted by Pre

Subaru continue to kill it with their engines.

If ItS gOoD eNoUgH fOr ToYoTa It MuSt MeAn SuBaRuS aRe As ReLiAbLe As ToYoTaS

[4S-TURBO]

Originally Posted by KillerBMotorsport

Not as bad as some have made it out to be. I've seen way worse.

I think the main concern is lack of QC in assembly.

[b4wantab]

If you properly design a robust assembly process around a robust mechanical design you only need QA. When you go to QC you are in damage control mode. Sometimes it is easier said then done......

Peace,

Greg

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

https://www.thedrive.com/news/37435/...bacle-drags-on

Except for the now infamous valve springs recall of 2019...
So, people were going in to get valve springs replaced as they could potentially break.
Soon after the recall was performed, quite a few engines experienced rod knock... Maybe another case of too much RTV? Who knows.

Doesn’t Toyota advertise the vehicle as track capable and include a 1 year SCCA membership? If they do, you’re blatantly advertising a product as designed for and capable of doing something. Pretty sure a solid lawyer could class action that as “false advertising” and have a nice paycheck coming their way.

[DougNuts]

Originally Posted by b4wantab

If you properly design a robust assembly process around a robust mechanical design you only need QA. When you go to QC you are in damage control mode. Sometimes it is easier said then done......

Peace,

Greg

<Raises a glass in Greg's direction>

Here's a guy who gets it.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

Doesn't Toyota advertise the vehicle as track capable and include a 1 year SCCA membership? If they do, you're blatantly advertising a product as designed for and capable of doing something. Pretty sure a solid lawyer could class action that as "false advertising" and have a nice paycheck coming their way.

meanwhile, all the owners would receive a second year of SCCA membership.