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04-01-2013, 07:42 PM | #26 |
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04-01-2013, 07:46 PM | #27 |
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04-01-2013, 08:41 PM | #28 |
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04-01-2013, 11:10 PM | #29 |
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04-01-2013, 11:42 PM | #30 |
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Almost bought a Jetta before I found the Impreza, as it was cheap, and widely available. Glad I didn't though.
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04-02-2013, 08:05 AM | #31 | |
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The Impreza earned a solid red reliability circle (excellent), the Hyundai earned a half-red reliability circle (very good), and the Mazda3 earned a white circle (average). The Jetta earned a half-black reliability circle (below average), and is therefore not recommended by CR. The 2012 Beetle isn't on the same chart because it's not a compact sedan (CR considers the Beetle to compete more against cars like the Hyundai Veloster), but it earned a solid black reliability circle (much below average). Specifically, it earned demerits in the Fuel System, Squeaks & Rattles, and Body Hardware categories. It's very unfortunate that the OP was unhappy with his Impreza due to reliability issues. But jumping from an Impreza to a Beetle (or just about any VW product) strikes me as a bit like jumping from the pan into the fire. |
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04-02-2013, 09:05 AM | #32 |
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While all this is true, just like most Impreza's don't have oil consumption or other issues like he experienced, most VW's won't have any issues whatsoever.
The odds his car will be a crapbox are not actually that high, even if a higher percent of them are affected. If you live your life googling every car looking for the flaws you will never buy another new car, because you can always find problems with every auto manufacturer if you look for it. Hoping his car gives him trouble free miles, and that those who dislike their Impreza get lucky with their next car. |
04-02-2013, 09:42 AM | #33 | |
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My family's had VW's. They've had, generally speaking, more mechanical issues than the various Japanese cars we've had, and fewer mechanical issues than the 80s and 90s Fords that we've had. However, squeaks and rattles are one issue that I've never seen. |
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04-02-2013, 11:25 AM | #34 | |
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The 2012 Beetle has full black circles for Body Hardware, and half-black circles for Fuel System and Squeaks/Rattles. For the 2012 Beetle as a whole, CR gives it a full black circle. Does this mean the OP's car will be a disaster on wheels? No, not necessarily. But his odds are higher that he'll be visiting the dealership than it was with the Impreza. As he knows, even a car that earned a solid red circle (like the Impreza) can have problems; no machine is perfect all of the time. But his odds of having issues are certainly higher with the Beetle. My 2010 VW Golf TDI was a turd on wheels. CR gives it a solid black dot for Fuel System and Squeaks & Rattles, and half-black dots for Paint/Trim and Audio System. I never had problems with squeaks/rattles, paint/trim, or the audio system. On the other hand, I did have problems with the Fuel System, and had other problems with the car that aren't indicated as being generally problematic according to CR's reliability charts. CR gives the 2010 TDI a half-black dot for overall reliability; I would have to agree with that. As someone who doesn't like to repeat his mistakes, I was looking for a reliable car from a reputable dealership. That's why I bought the Impreza, and is why I traveled farther to purchase from the reputable dealership that's 30 minutes from my house rather than from the unreputable Subie dealership that's less than 10 minutes from my house. So far, I've not been disappointed with the car or the dealership. But I'm sure you can understand why, when someone is having problems with an Impreza that are severe enough to make him get rid of it when it's so young, my gut reaction is to plant the palm of my hand against my forehead (in the "Oh, I could have had a V8!" style) when I hear that he chose to fix his problem by buying a VW (or any car with a poor reliability track record, according to CR's vast pool of data). |
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04-02-2013, 11:28 AM | #35 |
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Let's assume that Consumer Reports sample size is larger than that of your family. Or of my one VW TDI, which didn't have squeaks and rattles, but had numerous other problems (two of which left me stranded). I'll take a squeak over a massive fuel leak or a no-start situation any day.
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04-02-2013, 07:03 PM | #36 | |
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You take a gamble anytime you buy a machine. I have owned everything from Toyota Supra's to Jetta VR6's to GTI's to Buicks to Ram 1500's to several Mustangs to Audi A4's to Jeep cj7's to an Impreza, no particular order. Point is I had problems with the Supra's and the Buick more than the other cars combined. So based upon that, I would definately purchase the other brands. There are no guarantees. It just comes down to taste, experiences and needs. I actually really like the ride of my impreza - almost luxurious, smooth, roomy and so far reliable. Does have many annoying rattles, and it is definately not a super fun car to drive IMO, wheras most German Cars provide a more rewarding driver experience, again JMO from my experiences. But that is not what I purchased it for. Knew that going in. So, with that said, hope the OP truely has a better experience. Nothing worse than hating your new car. |
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04-02-2013, 08:47 PM | #37 | |
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I really wish they weren't like that. I would love to have a GTI. VW would absolutely clean house if they could shed their well deserved poor reliability reputation. They look nice and they drive nice, better than most of their competition. And while you may or may not be right about the chances of getting headache VW, some people, like myself, are worry warts. I just know if I had a VW, running great, with no issues, I'd still be thinking, "OK, when and what is going to break on this thing". Piece of mind is a big part of the ownership experience to me. |
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04-02-2013, 09:13 PM | #38 | |
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I would have loved a VW, always wanted one, but the Subaru is my new brand -- if only because I plan on driving this car into the ground, and at ~10,000 miles a year that is going to take a long, long, time. |
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04-02-2013, 10:00 PM | #39 | |
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Man, I couldnt agree more, and thanks for being so positive and supportive of the guys choice. Diplomacy! |
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04-02-2013, 10:05 PM | #40 | |
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Thats why I get so pissed off... I wanted a Subaru for so long!! |
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04-03-2013, 07:40 AM | #41 | |
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The last time I was seriously looking at the Jetta, which admittedly was about 10 years ago, but at the time people were saying it's different now, they're much better. Turns out they weren't. Windows fell into the doors because of cheap plastic clips and ignition coils were bad, and these parts were bad on ALL of the affected year Jettas, 100% of them, not 1%. To make it worse, in the beginning, VW fixed one at a time even though the cars had 4 power windows and 4 ignition coils, add it all up, 8 really good chances for really pain in the ass failures. People say the same thing now, they're much better now. Are they really? Consumer Reports doesn't think so. I guess we'll see. |
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04-03-2013, 08:02 AM | #42 | |
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I know that not every car that earns below-average reliability scores in Consumer Reports will be a turd, in the same way I know that not every car that earns above-average reliability scores in CR will be great. But I'm not a gambling man, and so I try to stack the deck in my favor as much as possible. Your Impreza has been a disappointment for you. But if a brand new VW Beetle and a brand new Impreza were sitting side by side, and you were asked to bet $1000 of your own money on which car would be the most reliable over the first 100,000 miles of its life (assuming both cars are driven and cared for in the same way), how would you place that bet? |
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04-03-2013, 08:12 AM | #43 |
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Subaru. withput hesitation.
Its long term duravility that worries me, though. In fairness- the old "new beetles" didnt hold up all that well. |
04-03-2013, 08:28 AM | #44 |
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Double post
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04-03-2013, 08:34 AM | #45 |
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I'm a very big fan of Japanese products.
My banjo is japanese (old alvarez), my machines at work are also (komatsu). Besides- VW's arent as "german" as they used to be when I bought them. My last one was made in Wolfsburg. |
04-03-2013, 08:35 AM | #46 |
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Subaru's are reliable due to their history, but something about this car just doesn't give me the sense of long term reliability. Am I the only one who feels this way?
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04-03-2013, 08:36 AM | #47 |
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Nope. I do. But thats pretty well known...
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04-03-2013, 08:51 AM | #48 |
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04-03-2013, 08:52 AM | #49 |
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I do not share this concern with you. I do not expect a car that gets outstanding reliability scores in Consumer Reports after its first year of collected data to suddenly disintegrate later in its life.
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04-03-2013, 08:59 AM | #50 | |
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After all, the car will be ~10 years old at that point, why not put a cool engine in and give it a new life... |
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