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Old 01-27-2013, 02:27 PM   #1
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Default 2012 WRX backup camera Fujitsu nav install details

Here is some info and details of my install of a Rydeen MINy camera using SVXdc's 16 pin harness with the stock 6 volt wire out of the Fujitsu FW602US nav unit in my '12 WRX hatch.

I confirmed with tech support at Rydeen that the camera has an operating range from 3.5 to 15 volts. I suspect other cameras both from Rydeen or other MFGs will work the same way, but I recommend checking with their tech support first.

The nice thing about this setup is, the camera doesn't need to be constant powered and there is no splicing into other wires necessary. It also seems that the head unit turns the camera on correctly at boot up. The MINy has switchable guide lines.


The camera I got is the MINy, 1st one, top left of the page
http://www.rydeenmobile.com/Backup%2...upCameras.html

I ordered from one of their authorized distributors for warranty etc., they were within $1US of the cheapest shipped price on eBay when I checked.

The harness and plug came from here.
http://ae64.com/Rear-camera-16-pin.htm

Make sure you tell Dave, you want the stock power out option if you are going to try this.

I was working alone and so I didn't document the cable routing, particularly because it is done many times elsewhere in this forum. I can tell you a few things and I do have a couple of pictures of things I did differently.

I needed to extend the camera power lead so it was long enough to run to the head unit, since I'm powering off the factory 6 volt out using SVXdc's harness with the extra factory power pin out. I made all of my connections with solder and shrink wrap.

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I have not tested this but apparently it's not necessary to extend the power cable to the back of the HU, there's a little pigtail that says something like "backing power supply anode output" that comes out of the side of the video RCA which can be used to power the camera.
Please test before you attempt to use this for power.

I chose not to drill any holes so I popped off the hatch panels, removed the Driver side license plate light housing and ran the cable through there.



Here's what it looks like put together. It's held on with earthquake putty until I can get someone over to help me aim it and then attach it.




I ran the wires along the Driver's side of the car.

I used this tool made out of a piece of wire hanger



to get the wires through here


Note camera ground location

I pulled off this entire panel



once it was off I was able to route the cable through here following the existing run, after that I just pulled the sill panels off and tucked it in there. To get past the B pillar I used an electrician's fish tape and then gently coaxed it through.

I ran the cables up through the rocker panel and tie wrapped to cables under the dash. then found a path through to the back to the radio.

With the radio pulled out I soldered SVXdc's power wire to the extended camera's power wire. Plugged in the new connector and then tested.

Go into reverse, camera goes on, go out of reverse, camera goes off and the radio, nav etc. works like normal.

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Old 01-27-2013, 03:33 PM   #2
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Here's the final mounting location. Is it necessary to blank out the plate#?


This is what it looks like on screen



Anyone know how to adjust the lines and the red "+" ?
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Old 01-28-2013, 12:50 AM   #3
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I think one set of the lines are inserted by the camera and the other by the head unit.
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Old 01-28-2013, 01:41 AM   #4
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I think one set of the lines are inserted by the camera and the other by the head unit.
Hi thanks, I'm pretty sure those lines are all from the head unit, I have the lines tured off on the camera, or at least I did before I installed it

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Old 01-28-2013, 06:30 AM   #5
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Hi thanks, I'm pretty sure those lines are all from the head unit, I have the lines tured off on the camera, or at least I did before I installed it
One set of line are inserted by a camera. You had to connect 2 green wires on the camera to delete the lines. Check instructions. http://www.rydeenmobile.com/downloads/MINy_Manualv1.pdf

There is two different menus , first when you press audio button first then press voice & map together, second menu press map button first then audio & voice together.
Once you in that menu you suppose to adjust the lines with + , on my car I cant, don't know why yet.

this is what you should see, you can't remove the line from subaru navigation

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Old 01-28-2013, 10:29 AM   #6
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I'm guessing that my solder joint broke on the green wires when I pulled them through that rubber boot. I'm also guessing that the connector I unplugged to attach SVXdc's contained the pins for the USB & AUX, crap guess I'll be rearranging some things.
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Old 12-29-2013, 01:54 PM   #7
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One set of line are inserted by a camera. You had to connect 2 green wires on the camera to delete the lines. Check instructions. http://www.rydeenmobile.com/downloads/MINy_Manualv1.pdf

There is two different menus , first when you press audio button first then press voice & map together, second menu press map button first then audio & voice together.
Once you in that menu you suppose to adjust the lines with + , on my car I cant, don't know why yet.

this is what you should see, you can't remove the line from subaru navigation


Great info, thanks. Just adjusted the lines on my rydeen camera.
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Old 04-11-2014, 10:02 PM   #8
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Default Rydeen Duo rear cam

Just finished my rear cam install. I took bits and pieces from a few threads. Thanks guys. Here are some pics. I purchased a Rydeen Duo cam, and the Beat-Sonic BCUS3 cam interface. Took about 2 hours to install.





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Old 01-28-2013, 03:40 AM   #9
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You lost your aux and usb in arm rest? Its pretty common for aftermarket HU's on these cars.

ETA: i wish there was a more stealthy approach to these. Maybe from inside the car or the Logo. Your install looks pretty clean, but that camera would drive me nuts!
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:50 PM   #10
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You lost your aux and usb in arm rest? Its pretty common for aftermarket HU's on these cars.
You had me pretty panicked there Chester.

AUX and USB aren't on that connector.

The AUX & USB show NG when nothing is plugged into them



Mine isn't an aftermarket BTW.

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Old 01-28-2013, 03:40 PM   #11
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You had me pretty panicked there Chester.

AUX and USB aren't on that connector.

The AUX & USB show NG when nothing is plugged into them



Mine isn't an aftermarket BTW.
nice! i didn't realize the HU was OEM. i read this half iPad mini / half computer GOOD STUFF.
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With the bypass configuration, what benefit does it have?

The vehicle has multiple signal checks and I'd assume they disable some usability of the nav unit.
For instance, stopped at a traffic light you may input all fields on the nav. It's not based on parking brake signal.
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With the bypass configuration, what benefit does it have?

The vehicle has multiple signal checks and I'd assume they disable some usability of the nav unit.
For instance, stopped at a traffic light you may input all fields on the nav. It's not based on parking brake signal.
Mainly lower price. See my '16-pin camera operation guide' for more info.

As several people above have said, you can power Rydeen cameras directly from the 6V lead on my harness. So no need to tap into anywhere else for power. Many other cameras do work from 6V. Test it and see.

I haven't played with all of the Subaru FT navigation models and years, but my understanding is that certain menus/functions are locked out by VSS and GPS (and HU models with the earliest firmware did not use GPS). Movie playback from USB (and on the aux A/V input, on Toyota models whose aux includes video capability) uses VSS, GPS, and parking brake.

On the models with the newer firmware, the HU uses GPS to lock any time it detects motion via GPS when VSS is zero. That hosed a guy who wanted to use the HU while parked on a moving ferry boat.

To disable the lockouts, you would need to not only cut the VSS lead going into the HU, but also feed the HU a "false" signal simulating 1-4 MPH. Use a switch to select between that and the car's normal VSS, to use during times you don't need the bypass (so the HU can use VSS to improve position tracking, as it wants to do).
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Mainly lower price. See my '16-pin camera operation guide' for more info.



As several people above have said, you can power Rydeen cameras directly from the 6V lead on my harness. So no need to tap into anywhere else for power. Many other cameras do work from 6V. Test it and see.



I haven't played with all of the Subaru FT navigation models and years, but my understanding is that certain menus/functions are locked out by VSS and GPS (and HU models with the earliest firmware did not use GPS). Movie playback from USB (and on the aux A/V input, on Toyota models whose aux includes video capability) uses VSS, GPS, and parking brake.



On the models with the newer firmware, the HU uses GPS to lock any time it detects motion via GPS when VSS is zero. That hosed a guy who wanted to use the HU while parked on a moving ferry boat.



To disable the lockouts, you would need to not only cut the VSS lead going into the HU, but also feed the HU a "false" signal simulating 1-4 MPH. Use a switch to select between that and the car's normal VSS, to use during times you don't need the bypass (so the HU can use VSS to improve position tracking, as it wants to do).

Hey SVXDC I sent you an email some time ago to the email on your website. Not sure if you never got it or what. Please let me know.


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Old 02-21-2013, 11:44 AM   #15
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nice info zra! I have an off topic question for you. Did you get your car with the HU or did you purchase the HU after and install it? I have a 2013 WRX Hatch Premium w/ standard HU and just purchased the same Fujitsu Ten Nav HU for it. I was wondering if it's plug and play or will have to to make/purchase some special harness.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:58 AM   #16
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nice info zra! I have an off topic question for you. Did you get your car with the HU or did you purchase the HU after and install it? I have a 2013 WRX Hatch Premium w/ standard HU and just purchased the same Fujitsu Ten Nav HU for it. I was wondering if it's plug and play or will have to to make/purchase some special harness.
Luan, I got my car with the Nav, which except for the camera function isn't worth it in my opinion. It has a terrible UI. It seems like it was designed from a checklist and no real humans ever sat down with the thing to try and see how it was going to be used. They could make it so much better with a handful of refinements.

That said, I'm not the one to ask, I assume it is plug and play but really Dave, Svxdc is the guy who knows about all of the swap and harness stuff. Obviously for the back up cam you will need his harness and a camera.

I'm guessing your car has a mic for the phone, but no GPS antenna? Again I'm not the expert on this stuff. I just did a lot of reading on forums and a little experimenting.
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Luan, I got my car with the Nav, which except for the camera function isn't worth it in my opinion. It has a terrible UI. It seems like it was designed from a checklist and no real humans ever sat down with the thing to try and see how it was going to be used. They could make it so much better with a handful of refinements.

That said, I'm not the one to ask, I assume it is plug and play but really Dave, Svxdc is the guy who knows about all of the swap and harness stuff. Obviously for the back up cam you will need his harness and a camera.

I'm guessing your car has a mic for the phone, but no GPS antenna? Again I'm not the expert on this stuff. I just did a lot of reading on forums and a little experimenting.
I got a good deal on it so I thought WTH and went ahead with it lol. I like OEM stuff anyway. I'm pretty sure it'll be good enough for what I paid for it. Having the Navigation & back up camera is nice. My car has the option for Navigation when I order it but I opted out of it and went with the SPT exhaust instead so I'm hoping it already has the harness. Been googling a lot but no real info about this. I've already emailed David so hopefully I'll hear something soon.

My car does have a BT mic but I'm not sure about the GPS antenna. Because of my lazyness I don't want to disassemble the dash to find out until I receive the HU. I'll do all at once lol. I think I'll need an antenna since from all the posts I read about NAV install said they don't include the antenna if you didn't get the car with it.
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There are a bunch of different camera options on the camera set up page.
anyone know what they mean? Or which one we should be using? I just left it on the default.
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wrong question answered
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NOTE:
I have not tested this but apparently it's not necessary to extend the power cable to the back of the HU, there's a little pigtail that says something like "backing power supply anode output" that comes out of the side of the video RCA which can be used to power the camera.
Please test before you attempt to use this for power.
zra, many thanks for posting this thread as well as the cross reference from here.

SVXdc, many thanks for the great customer service in purchasing your harness for this job.

I just checked the Rydeen wiring harness with my VOM for continuity between the red pigtail at the head unit end and the red power lead end closer to the camera. They are indeed electrically connected with only 1 ohm resistance in the line. Good thing I ordered the harness with 6V output from Dave; this will save me some time.

Thanks again, and I'll post up any items of note after going through the installation.
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Old 09-02-2013, 05:40 PM   #21
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Anyone know if there is a Subaru emblem with the camera built into it kind of like the ford emblems?
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Old 09-02-2013, 05:48 PM   #22
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this is something im going to order and do. but this should definitely be in the car from subaru.
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Old 04-20-2014, 09:24 PM   #23
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I think I'd be quite happy with the look of that Rydeen Duo. It looks integrated enough to be acceptable, even on my white sti.

Where did you order it?
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I think I'd be quite happy with the look of that Rydeen Duo. It looks integrated enough to be acceptable, even on my white sti. Where did you order it?
Got mine on amazon
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Cool I'll look there. What's the difference between the Beat-Sonic harness and the one SVXdc makes? From the pictures it seems like there's more wires in the beat-sonic harness, possibly for the e-brake pass through and power? Was this harness literally plug & play or did you have to make any modifications?
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