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Old 06-13-2020, 11:33 AM   #26
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Now we think Mirage when someone says Mitsubishi.
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Old 06-13-2020, 03:21 PM   #27
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These 3000GT VR4's were faster than LS1 TransAms in 2000, they could launch incredibly well. I remember popular mechanics did a shootout of one with a TransAm I believe a Camaro SS and cant remember the other few they had in that test drive...but the VR4 was in the top 2 at the end.
They could, but in my forum research back at the time, I found that the transmission could apparently not take much abuse. You had to feather the clutch out on a launch (which y'know, is prudent anyway). I remember the forum mentioned a "3 strikes and you're out" phrase as in three hard clutch dumps and the transmission will grenade...
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Old 06-13-2020, 04:48 PM   #28
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Yeah, I remember the VR4 was very fast for its time. It was hitting 60mph sub-5seconds and 13.5 sec quarter mile.. that was in early-mid 1990's from a Japanese car manufacturer. Mitsu was a great alternative back then, even in Japan Galants (sp?) were one of the hot sedans hashiriya's tuned and drove.
and it was as fast and faster than the lighter SS Camaro's and Trans AM's that were under rated H.P from the factory. At 4000 Lbs the VR4 was probably under rated as well...the trans ams and Camaro's were actually close to 350 horsepower and could dip into the low 13's high 12's with sticky tires...a lighter VR4 would have been very impressive. It was a really nice car...the GM's were fast but the design was basic and interior cheap...the VR4 was a step up.
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Old 06-14-2020, 01:18 PM   #29
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I doubt is and Nissan 400z either. Toyota can't sell the Supra that is a BMW at $10k discount. Toyota/Subaru cant sell T86/BRZ in any numbers at bargain $25k sport car. wWhat do they think they can sell 2 seat sports car for what cost and how many numbers in most likely cooled economy ?
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Old 06-14-2020, 08:16 PM   #30
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One strategy that might be interesting would be if they went super expensive with it. Yes, the economy has cooled a but for most, but at the same time, Ferrari stock is at an all time high, at least it was very recently. So they're saying that for the super well off, the recession hasn't impacted them much if at all. So, what if they targeted this car at the very wealthy and priced it at $150K+?
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Old 06-14-2020, 11:42 PM   #31
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One strategy that might be interesting would be if they went super expensive with it. Yes, the economy has cooled a but for most, but at the same time, Ferrari stock is at an all time high, at least it was very recently. So they're saying that for the super well off, the recession hasn't impacted them much if at all. So, what if they targeted this car at the very wealthy and priced it at $150K+?
It would be like the nsx, only nobody ever cared about the 3000gt and Mitsubishi sucks so it would be even more of a failure.
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Old 06-15-2020, 07:09 AM   #32
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It would be like the nsx, only nobody ever cared about the 3000gt and Mitsubishi sucks so it would be even more of a failure.
i cared about it back in the day, but it was really expensive and unattainable for me at the time.

my Evo X MR was actually the most reliable trouble-free cars i've owned - even with the TC-SST transmission, nothing broke or needed repair in the 6 years i owned it. 5 years on my wife's Outlander Sport with no issues, either. i wouldn't say Mitsubishi sucks, but they are pretty boring these days. they did suck hard for reliability a while back, but they stepped up their game in the past 10 years.
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Old 06-15-2020, 01:00 PM   #33
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Mitsubishi? Sports car? I will believe it when I see it...
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Old 06-15-2020, 02:38 PM   #34
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It would be like the nsx, only nobody ever cared about the 3000gt and Mitsubishi sucks so it would be even more of a failure.
Head to head (not counting Stealth sales) it outsold the 300ZX and destroyed the A80 Supra in sales so if nobody cared about the 3000GT then I'm not sure what it says about those cars. That said I'm not sure there's an appetite out there today for a premium priced Mitsubishi.
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Old 06-15-2020, 02:44 PM   #35
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"Nobody" cares about sports cars from Japan then or now. No significant sales numbers from halo models yet somehow they still exist.
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Old 06-15-2020, 05:40 PM   #36
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"Nobody" cares about sports cars from Japan then or now. No significant sales numbers from halo models yet somehow they still exist.
The double edged sword with Japanese sports cars, especially the 90's ones, is that they only got popular as they became affordable. They were overbuilt and great value, but only once the prices dropped. These companies trying to recreate that are conveniently forgetting that, thinking they can ride a name to sales. Nissan is the only one to have pulled this off with the GTR as they managed to translate the same spirit of the 90's JDM sportscar into the modern times, but now even it's luster has faded.

IMO all of them need to go back to basics. Mitsubishi would have more luck if instead of trying to gain market share in an already crowded sportscar market, they brought back a genuinely simple and straightforward pickup. And then even a Miata/BRZ class sportscar with largely the same drivetrain. Or hell, get wild and make a RWD economy car instead. Something that isn't hard to work on, and makes fuel economy without needing anything out of this world. I'm just dreaming out loud, but nothing would bring more positive attention to your dying brand than something people want and like one manufacturer kinda sorta still makes.
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Old 06-16-2020, 06:08 PM   #37
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"Nobody" cares about sports cars from Japan then or now. No significant sales numbers from halo models yet somehow they still exist.
That's just you and your generation. I care about JDM sports cars as I am from that era when sports cars were something young folks wanted. If Nissan, Mitsu, and others have something to offer, I'm interested to at least take a look at it. Even if it's the new slow 86/BRZ, I'll still test drive one to understand what it is.
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Old 06-16-2020, 06:14 PM   #38
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I hope I didn't sound hurtful..
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Old 06-16-2020, 06:19 PM   #39
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Lol wut.
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Old 06-22-2020, 04:28 AM   #40
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That's just you and your generation. I care about JDM sports cars as I am from that era when sports cars were something young folks wanted. If Nissan, Mitsu, and others have something to offer, I'm interested to at least take a look at it. Even if it's the new slow 86/BRZ, I'll still test drive one to understand what it is.
Current generation care more about iPhone/PS4 than a car but things aside, JDM is fading because of Japan economy is slowing down the last 2 decades and they start to focus more in eco cars as this what the majority of people want!
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Old 06-22-2020, 11:32 AM   #41
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According to this site, average gas price (for 95 octane) in Japan is about $2 more. If gas there becomes cheaper, I believe manufacturers would make more enthusiast-focused cars.
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/USA/gasoline_prices/
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/J...soline_prices/
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

I wonder if their price is higher due to gov't pushing eco-cars or due to the higher cost of importing oil. Also, I'm sure many people have had it with the loud exhaust drive-by's in their small residential areas.
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Old 06-22-2020, 11:52 AM   #42
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this what the majority of people want!
A majority of people need to be forcefully strapped into a race car and given a proper driving experience.
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Old 06-22-2020, 12:36 PM   #43
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According to this site, average gas price (for 95 octane) in Japan is about $2 more. If gas there becomes cheaper, I believe manufacturers would make more enthusiast-focused cars.
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/USA/gasoline_prices/
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/J...soline_prices/
https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

I wonder if their price is higher due to gov't pushing eco-cars or due to the higher cost of importing oil. Also, I'm sure many people have had it with the loud exhaust drive-by's in their small residential areas.
Unfortunately I believe it's too late for Japan market. That boat has already sailed. Most Japanese young folks from the 'youtori generation' aka snow flake pansies up to their mid/late-30's of today, have basically no interest in cars and even if fuel got cheap they probably won't have much interest in buying a sports car.

I think Toyota did it right with the Supra by borrowing technologies from vetted OEM's like BMW to make a world market sports car. I also think Honda has the right concept of making the NSX in the USA.. just too pricy for a Honda. Can't rely on just Japanese young folks to make a sports car.. it's not in their DNA. They don't seem to know what a sports car is.
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Current generation care more about iPhone/PS4 than a car but things aside, JDM is fading because of Japan economy is slowing down the last 2 decades and they start to focus more in eco cars as this what the majority of people want!
Maybe this will spur the return of their roots. I miss EK civic size cars with decent motors. I wish hOnda would cram a bigger motor in their FIT...
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Old 06-23-2020, 06:37 PM   #45
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Did anyone actually care about the original 3000GT? I always remember it (and the Stealth) as the DSM that nobody wanted.
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Did anyone actually care about the original 3000GT?
Nope. Because the T/E/L were out at the same time, were smaller, lighter, faster, more agile, and could make same/more power.

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A majority of people need to be forcefully strapped into a race car and given a proper driving experience.
It wouldn’t work. They’d actually have to do something and they don’t want to do that. They want to focus on that small screen and their stupid social media applications. They don’t understand how stupid they are. You get one life, and that’s it. Nobody makes it out of this alive. And you spend all your time, hours and hours a day looking at a little screen at fake social media. Clowns.
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Old 06-24-2020, 09:36 AM   #48
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mitsubishi peaked at the Starion/first gen Eclipse
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the real crying shame here is Mitsu makes some of the most bad ass utes in exhistance when we are at a time when people are CUV crazy... I mean they conquered Dakar how many years. Give us a desert runner SUV. a high speed 4 runner and people would lap it up... well I would!!!
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mitsubishi peaked at the Starion/first gen Eclipse
That & EVO 8/9.
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