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Old 06-16-2020, 04:50 PM   #26
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Its AMAZING no one has been killed by one of these cars leaving a car show or jumping the wall at a track.


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Your opinion has been noted, NightHawk.


I like the stripe along the bottom.
Sheís a long car, and itís a nice offset.
Iíd like something like that on my GT350.

Fordís traction control unit is pretty intrusive in normal and sport modes.
Which is fine with me. Unintentional tire slippage whilst making a right hand turn at 5mph isnít something Iím down with.
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Old 06-17-2020, 08:29 AM   #28
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I like it a lot. I'd imagine the 525hp version would be saved for the Boss, and likely be 5.2L with a crossplane crankshaft.
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Old 06-17-2020, 12:53 PM   #29
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I like nearly everything about it. Looks great. The only thing I don't like is the Mach 1 graphic decal on the front fender. I know it's paying homage to the original font and model but it just looks so out of place on a modern car. I'm shocked they're putting the Tremec in it from the 350 actually. I still think the SS 1LE is going to be a better buy though.
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Old 06-17-2020, 01:03 PM   #30
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Reminds me of this:

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^^^ That's a good looking GTR.
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Old 06-17-2020, 02:46 PM   #32
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The A10 is the car to get IMHO. They are great in a straight line and with the handling upgrades I imagine they will be a blast to drive. The Tremec is a great upgrade as the MT-82 is rather garbage.

I never understood that 525 number floated. The motor is stretched as it is.

It's a parts bin car. Parts bin cars are largely the best buys if costs are held down.
The biggest issue with the regular GT is the MT-82 (I will never buy another car again with this transmission) so the inclusion of the Tremec is a huge upgrade providing this car isn't considerably more than a GT with the PP2.
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Old 06-17-2020, 02:55 PM   #33
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Given how expensive the current GT can be, there's really no excuse not to fit the better tremec box. The V8 Camaro has it.
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Old 06-18-2020, 10:26 AM   #34
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Out of my price range but there's something about that package that looks awesome to me. Can't wait to see on in person to see if it changes perspective.
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Given how expensive the current GT can be, there's really no excuse not to fit the better tremec box. The V8 Camaro has it.
Totally agree. I don't know how Ford was let off the hook for so long offering that crappy MT-82 all the while the Camaro has been offering the superior Tremec....which has a couple of flaws still of it's own.
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Totally agree. I don't know how Ford was let off the hook for so long offering that crappy MT-82 all the while the Camaro has been offering the superior Tremec....which has a couple of flaws still of it's own.
Have you met the average car buyer?

Iím surprised we still sell cars that you have to drive.
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Have you met the average car buyer?

Iím surprised we still sell cars that you have to drive.




yes, the phone is way more important. I honestly think if one of these automobile manufacturers offered the top tier ultimate phone with purchase of said vehicle, people would buy the car to get the phone that you couldn't purchase otherwise.
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Have you met the average car buyer?

Iím surprised we still sell cars that you have to drive.
Can you imagine the wider public trying to operate these flying drone cars so many companies are working on? People can't even handle 2 dimensions of movement, now they'd need to master three??
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Totally agree. I don't know how Ford was let off the hook for so long offering that crappy MT-82 all the while the Camaro has been offering the superior Tremec....which has a couple of flaws still of it's own.
MT82 isnt a bad transmission, its the clutch and shifter thats the issue.
Come drive mine with a twin disc and fixed mount shifter. Its a night and day difference.
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October 14 marks the 73rd anniversary of the first known supersonic flight achieved by mankind. Mach 1. Chuck Yaeger achieved this milestone in 1947 with the X-1 rocket plane over Rogers Dry Lake in southern California, and since then that record has been surpassed several times over. In fact, on October 3, 1967, the X-15 set and continues to hold the record for fastest manned aircraft, at Mach 6.72 (4,520) Ė nearly seven times faster than the initial milestone. Anyway, with today being the fourteenth of October, thereís more news about the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1, one weíve been patiently waiting for.



The 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 price starts at $51,720, plus $1,195 destination and delivery charge. This effectively splits the difference between the outgoing Mustang Bullitt that stickered at $46,705 and the beloved Mustang Shelby GT350, which carried an MSRP of $59,140. Order books open today, and the Mach 1 will arrive in Canadian and USA dealerships by spring of 2021.


That said, if horsepower, loud noises, and pissing excellence is all youíre looking for, The 2021 Dodge Challenger R/T Scat Pack with 485 horsepower from its 392 Hemi V8 engine is currently marked at $39,995. Will it dance around the road course like the Mustang will? No. But, itís definitely a benchmark in Power-per-Dollar. Just as well, the 2021 Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE Ė arguably the most direct competitor to the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 Ė stickers at $45,495 including destination. It may be slightly down on horsepower, at 455 hp, but the lithe Camaro SS 1LE has been a thorn in the Mustangís side for many comparison tests.



As MC&T first confirmed, the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 will be sold in global Mustang markets where the Shelby GT350 and GT500 are not permitted, such as the European Union. Production volume remains a closely guarded secret, as Mustang Marketing Manager Jim Owens tells us that the new muscle car ďwonít be built to demandĒ. The 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 price is unknown for other markets at the time of this writing.

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2021 Mustang Mach 1 model is all about bold styling, great acceleration and outright speed. Starting with the latter, the Mach 1 is powered by a specially-tuned variant of the 5.0L V8 engine, producing 480 horsepower and 420 lb-ft of torque, just like the Mustang Bullitt itís replacing. But itís more than just a re-skinned Bullitt, as there are several parts pulled from the Shelby portfolio, as well. The Tremec 3160 6-speed manual transmission is pulled right from the GT350, and now for the first time it offers active rev-matching capabilities in the Mach 1. Buyers can also spec the 10-speed SelectShift automatic transmission with an upgraded torque converter, tuned to maximize the engine torque available from the 5.0L.

Under the hood, the 2021 Mustang Mach 1 and its 5.0L V8 receive revised versions of the Shelby GT350ís intake manifold, oil filter adapter, and engine oil cooler, which helps to increase engine oil cooling capability by 50 percent over the standard car.


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For more on track cooling capability, Ford has also fit the Mach 1 with the rear axle cooling system and lower diffuser from the almighty Shelby GT500. Yes, even GT500 parts can be found here. Combine that with the rear subframe, stiffer bushings, and a rear toe-link borrowed from the GT500, and the intention for the Mach 1 is clear: a track star that seeks to out-run the Chevrolet Camaro SS 1LE.

Other performance oriented hardware includes the latest version of Fordís MagneRide suspension system, the short throw shifter from the Mustang GT Performance Pack cars, a stiffer steering I-shaft, new EPAS calibration, stiffer sway bars and front springs, and the brake booster from the Mustang GT Performance Pack Level 2. However, much of the Mach 1ís newfound capabilities come from its improved aerodynamics. That all starts with the new underbelly pan, which extends a full 20 inches further rearward than it does on the GT Performance Pack models. This helps to clean up the air under the car, and thanks to some integrated fins, it also helps with cooling the brakes. Not bad for a Mustang. Thanks to the front splitter optimized for the new fascia paired with a rear spoiler, the Mach 1 produces 22 percent more downforce than a GT equipped with Performance Pack Level 1.



Opt for the manual-exclusive Handling Package, and downforce improves 150 percent over the Mustang GT. The Handling Package includes a larger high downforce front splitter, new wheel lip moldings up front, a low-gloss Magnetic swing spoiler with a Gurney flap, and the rear tire spats from the GT500.

As a bit of a throwback, the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-1 features a pair of placeholders where a set of rally lights would be, as seen in the original Mach-1. Ford tells us that these circular panels can simply be popped out, and the aftermarket (which doesnít have to deal with the prohibitively expensive rigors of re-engineering a front fascia in the name of compliance), can provide a solution to customers looking to fit throwback rally lights if they so choose. Historically, the Ford Mustang Mach-1 took home a pair of SCCA Manufacturerís Rally Championships in 1969 and 1970.

Aside from the rally light placeholders, the new Mustang Mach-1 visually separates itself from its stablemates with unique paint options, unique wheels, a specific aero kit, and an oh-so-cool orange/gray stripe option.

If you think the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach 1 price is worth it, you better get yours before theyíre all gone.
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These cars are getting so high performance but theyíre so expensive now. $50,000 for a mustang is hard to wrap my head around.
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Old 10-15-2020, 09:54 AM   #42
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These cars are getting so high performance but theyíre so expensive now. $50,000 for a mustang is hard to wrap my head around.
Yeah it was $46,000+/- for a GT PP2, now 53,000 for a Mach1; that's a lot of dimp for Ford interior and build quality....

I'd love Ford to bring back the falcon - smaller, lighter, less performance focused.
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Old 10-15-2020, 10:39 AM   #43
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These cars are getting so high performance but theyíre so expensive now. $50,000 for a mustang is hard to wrap my head around.

Plus for this one you will have Ford Dealer's generous ADM topping. This is why I've never really considered a Ford performance product.
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Old 10-15-2020, 11:58 AM   #44
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Yeah it was $46,000+/- for a GT PP2, now 53,000 for a Mach1; that's a lot of dimp for Ford interior and build quality....

I'd love Ford to bring back the falcon - smaller, lighter, less performance focused.
I wish that they'd bring back the Mustang LX. It used to be that Mustangs and Camaros were about getting as much bang for the buck as possible. Now it seems like they're about getting as much money out of consumers as possible.

Even a Camaro 2SS 1LE is damn expensive. Maybe I'm just old and cheap now, but I'd happily settle for 90% of the performance if it cost $10,000 less. Unfortunately, the cheaper models like the LT1 Camaro are so decontented that I'd never buy one.
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Yeah it was $46,000+/- for a GT PP2, now 53,000 for a Mach1; that's a lot of dimp for Ford interior and build quality....

I'd love Ford to bring back the falcon - smaller, lighter, less performance focused.
This body shape has been around for some time now (I think) and their panel fit and finish is still sub-par? I always liked the shape of this gen Mustangs but the build quality as I remember is worse than my Golf-R.. and Golf-R's fit and finish is pretty horrible on the outside.
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No one seems to understand that most cars and trucks are now targeting only 10% of the population, the ones whose income and investments are being inflated by trillions in Fed stimulus. The bottom 90% are left wondering why there's more vehicle choices at $100k than there are at $25k.

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No one seems to understand that most cars and trucks are now targeting only 10% of the population, the ones whose income and investments are being inflated by trillions in Fed stimulus. The bottom 90% are left wondering why there's more vehicle choices at $100k than there are at $25k.
Thanks for speaking for what all of us do and donít understand. What you donít seem to understand is that Iím easily in the top 5% of earners and I think a $50,000 mustang is ****ing expensive.
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Thanks for speaking for what all of us do and don't understand. What you don't seem to understand is that I'm easily in the top 5% of earners and I think a $50,000 mustang is ****ing expensive.
Wow, top 5% of earners you must be making a lot of money.

I'm just an upper-middle class nobody.

$50K special version Mustang appears fair to me..(?)
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Wow, top 5% of earners you must be making a lot of money.

I'm just an upper-middle class nobody.

$50K special version Mustang appears fair to me..(?)
It doesn't go as far as one would think. My property tax is more than a lot of people's mortgage.
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It doesn't go as far as one would think. My property tax is more than a lot of people's mortgage.
But still you're a top 5% earner.. in 2018, data says it would place you over $300K income, probably higher today. That's quite an achievement.
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