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Old 06-25-2020, 06:40 AM   #1
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The Toyota Yaris Lineup Is Getting the Axe in the U.S.

The Yaris just can't catch a break. Last year it was reported that the hatchback version would be discontinued for the U.S. market. That proved kind of true, as the Toyota-designed Yaris was axed but replaced by a rebadged Mazda2 hatch. But now the entire subcompact car line, which launched stateside in 2006, is being discontinued.

"The Yaris sedan and Yaris hatchback will not be available for model-year 2021," a Toyota spokesperson confirmed in an emailed statement. "Model-year 2020 will be the last year for Yaris. June 2020 will be the last month of production for the Yaris sedan and Yaris hatchback for the U.S. They will continue to be on sale through the summer and into the fall depending on sell down."

One model year is an awfully short run for a "new" vehicle like the 2020 Yaris hatchback, but we don't imagine Toyota spent too much money on the changeover given its near-identical interior and exterior to the Mazda2. Even the—ahem—unique front end already existed and was cribbed from the Mazda-based Yaris sedan (formerly known as the Scion iA and Yaris iA).

That half-hearted effort is reflective of the subcompact's sales, which have been trending downward for the past few years. Through the first quarter of 2020, Yaris sales were down 69.4 percent from the same period a year prior. The automaker has also spent very little on marketing lately for its smallest offering.
Remember when the second-gen Yaris launched back in 2012? Toyota produced a hilarious series of ads around the surprisingly honest tagline "It's a car. " The brand acknowledged the model's basic-transportation nature and owned it in an unconventional way, and it worked at the time because that's exactly what many drivers were looking for. But when you're selling less than 22,000 cars per year—fewer than the number of Corollas Toyota moves in an average month—we suppose humorous, self-aware ad campaigns aren't worth the investment.

Though the Toyota Yaris name departs from the U.S. lineup, the global Yaris will carry on in other markets. There's also a Yaris-based crossover planned for Europe, but it's unknown if that car might come here to fill Toyota's subcompact gap. The one we're most excited about is the Toyota GR Yaris, a special edition hot hatch with 268 hp on tap from a turbocharged 1.6-liter three-cylinder and all-wheel drive with variable torque splitting capability. It's a homologation special built so Toyota can go rally racing, but that doesn't make us want it any less. How about sending a few our way as a consolation prize, Toyota?
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Old 06-25-2020, 09:10 AM   #2
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So, there's your reason why the GR isn't coming.

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Old 06-25-2020, 09:19 AM   #3
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No, the GR-Yaris wasn't coming even if the rebadged Mazda 2 soldiered on.
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Old 06-25-2020, 09:33 AM   #4
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entry level subcompact cars are being replaced with entry level subcompact CUV's.
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Old 06-25-2020, 09:49 AM   #5
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Yaris was garbage from the beginning. Not sure why it sold for this long.. was it reliable? don't know, don't care.
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Old 06-25-2020, 10:23 AM   #6
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Yaris was garbage from the beginning. Not sure why it sold for this long.. was it reliable? don't know, don't care.
My wife had a J-VIN MY2007 5mt Yaris, that's back when it was a Toyota - cheap, reliable transportation. I think we paid 14k for it OTD, in its entire time with us it didn't get a repair, tires were replaced once, I did one brake job at 90k miles and it didn't even need it yet; basically oil changes and put fuel in it, fuel economy was 40mpg on average, even when I drove it.

No issues until our eleventh year of ownership, we got rid of it when the AC stopped working (it was the pump) and the rear wheel speed sensors went (integrated into the hubs), the repairs would have cost us more in parts than the vehicle was worth, but the drivetrain was solid (transverse 1.5l I4 5mt) clutch still grabbed low and had never slipped; exhaust heat shields never even rattled, considering it was a New England car that lived outside, that is unheard of; 150k miles when we got rid of it IIRC. I was willing to fix it for my wife, but I negotiated a great deal on a new 2017 Corolla 6mt hatch so we went that direction instead.

There is a lot of garbage out there, but the Yaris wasn't garbage; it knew what it was from the get go and did it extremely well. the Yaris was a well designed, no-frills economy car with unmatched levels of reliability in today's automotive landscape. The marketing slogan was "it's a car!" and it couldn't have been more accurate.

Again I'm talking the Toyota built Yaris, can't speak to the Mazda built ones.

Not everyone want's AWD, piss-poor fuel economy, spun bearings, head gasket issues and to be required to tune a vehicle on day one because the manufacturer still can't supply a tune that doesn't cause detonation on 91 octane.

This is all coming from a guy that on principle hates FWD, torsion beams, drum brakes, open diffs, & gutless engines.

EDIT: That Yaris is one of the reasons I went with a Lexus, Toyota builds quality stuff, if they had made a RWD Yaris I would have probably considered one, and Toyota partsbined my way into making it a hot hatch.

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Yo but what an epic send off. And follow up with the Corolla thing.
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My wife had a J-VIN MY2007 5mt Yaris, that's back when it was a Toyota - cheap, reliable transportation. I think we paid 14k for it OTD, in its entire time with us it didn't get a repair, tires were replaced once, I did one brake job at 90k miles and it didn't even need it yet; basically oil changes and put fuel in it, fuel economy was 40mpg on average, even when I drove it.

No issues until our eleventh year of ownership, we got rid of it when the AC stopped working (it was the pump) and the rear wheel speed sensors went (integrated into the hubs), the repairs would have cost us more in parts than the vehicle was worth, but the drivetrain was solid (transverse 1.5l I4 5mt) clutch still grabbed low and had never slipped; exhaust heat shields never even rattled, considering it was a New England car that lived outside, that is unheard of; 150k miles when we got rid of it IIRC. I was willing to fix it for my wife, but I negotiated a great deal on a new 2017 Corolla 6mt hatch so we went that direction instead.

There is a lot of garbage out there, but the Yaris wasn't garbage; it knew what it was from the get go and did it extremely well. the Yaris was a well designed, no-frills economy car with unmatched levels of reliability in today's automotive landscape. The marketing slogan was "it's a car!" and it couldn't have been more accurate.

Again I'm talking the Toyota built Yaris, can't speak to the Mazda built ones.

Not everyone want's AWD, piss-poor fuel economy, spun bearings, head gasket issues and to be required to tune a vehicle on day one because the manufacturer still can't supply a tune that doesn't cause detonation on 91 octane.

This is all coming from a guy that on principle hates FWD, torsion beams, drum brakes, open diffs, & gutless engines.

EDIT: That Yaris is one of the reasons I went with a Lexus, Toyota builds quality stuff, if they had made a RWD Yaris I would have probably considered one, and Toyota partsbined my way into making it a hot hatch.
I drove a Yaris on multiple occasions as a rental car I picked up at the airport when I traveled for business solo. That and the Scion were cars that reminded me of GM lower-end junk cars of the time where things were just spread thin.

My parents are Lexus owners and so I've driven their boring (but nice and pretty) cars. There is absolutely no resemblance of Lexus quality in Yaris that I felt.
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I do like the new redesign of the IS350 however.. but someone mentioned its still behind the times vs other luxury compacts. Will test drive an AWD one when they come out this fall.
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I drove a Yaris on multiple occasions as a rental car I picked up at the airport when I traveled for business solo. That and the Scion were cars that reminded me of GM lower-end junk cars of the time where things were just spread thin.

My parents are Lexus owners and so I've driven their boring (but nice and pretty) cars. There is absolutely no resemblance of Lexus quality in Yaris that I felt.
Build quality does not equate to nicer materials; it means a well put together vehicle. The low-end GM stuff of the time was rebadged Daewoo; so less good Korean cars. There was/is a massive difference between the build quality in Toyota/Scion and GM/Daewoo vehicles, not to mention reliability & durability differences.

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I do like the new redesign of the IS350 however.. but someone mentioned its still behind the times vs other luxury compacts. Will test drive an AWD one when they come out this fall.
The IS350 is behind in terms of performance & tech; it's essentially a MY2014 chassis & powertrain that they've refined along the way, a naturally aspirated engine is either a good thing or a bad thing depending on your perspective. The ZF offered in the BMW is a quicker shifting transmission, but the Aisin unit is no slouch either.

Decide if you want long term vs. short term ownership or buy vs. lease; long term and purchase points to Lexus, short term or lease points to the Germans or Infiniti. Current Acura is a hard pass for me, forthcoming model may change that.

I mostly like the redesigned IS350, I don't like what they did with the stick on tablet/dash situation, in my car the screen is just below my sightline which pays off while driving in that it doesn't obstruct my view, but it's not so low that it takes my eyes off the road when I have to glance at it (on the rare occasions that I use the nav). I don't look at the screen while driving for anything, at a stop I might initiate a call from it, but for radio I just use presets from steering wheel controls, I answer calls from steering wheel controls as well. All important information is in the gauge cluster.
HVAC & seat heaters & coolers have physical buttons.
The glide pad thing they've implemented for the refresh will be more awkward than the previous trackpad thing due to it's new location.

Your passenger will complain about the location of the cup holders.

Although it won't force an upshift, if you mercilessly bang the rev limiter it briefly goes into limp mode when you upshift if you don't back off the pedal for a moment after shifting.

The car is not tech-centric, has physical controls for everything, has an NA engine, great interior materials and a driver oriented cockpit.

I like the 8spd in the RWD model better than the 6spd in the AWD model btw, the AWD model I test drove had more jarring shifts and felt slower; if I had been set on AWD I may have gotten something else, but the AWD is rear biased so maybe not.

I've already been looking at supercharger kits & exhaust systems for it, only half heartedly though, might buy a toy vehicle instead so I can avoid that. It's not that it's a slow car, it's just that it has more chassis & brakes than engine right now, and isn't dramatic enough an experience, speed just piles on, that's a complaint I have with luxury cars in general though. Also, once the tires are up to temp even with the TC off I can pretty much just plant it and not worry about wheel spin in a straight line, attacking corners, yeah I have to pay attention, but it's too easy to drive fast.

It's been about 6 months of ownership, I still miss having 3-pedals, I also miss lighter cars with lower limits; not sure that's ever going to go away. Long trips though, this thing is amazing - plenty of passing power and acceleration for on ramps, but doesn't beat you up so you aren't fatigued by long drives. I've been on a few 3-4hr trips in it, just smooth sailing, my wife insists on taking it on Fridays and when she goes to visit extended family on the other side of the state, and I don't blame her.

Looking forward to RWD winter driving again though, I like at least a little bit of a challenge when I drive.
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^ Cool review of the IS and thoughts on the refresh..!

I would cherish the IS for its high build quality and the leather used. The parting lines on the Lexus is simply amazing how parallel they are throughout the car and clean between all the panels. I just imagine it is the same inside (gut) which contributes to long term reliability.

If I bought that new IS, it would be for quality and brand image.. I wouldn't care too much about its maximum performance capability. Even if the new TLX-S is better in performance, it's still an Acura.. which doesn't carry much name value especially for me.

I use to take build quality for granted until buying Euro cars.. wow do they suck at stamping metal.. LOL and the assembly his borderline horrendous in some areas rivaling domestic brands. It's like they forgot whether the tolerance value was decimals in inches or in mm.
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So... yaris.

good riddance. I don't quite understand why they needed a lazily re-badged mazda 2 in the lineup anyway. Given that they're not going to bring us the ROW Yaris, just kill it.
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So... yaris.

good riddance. I don't quite understand why they needed a lazily re-badged mazda 2 in the lineup anyway. Given that they're not going to bring us the ROW Yaris, just kill it.
Market presence.

The way brands work is they get you into a entry level car, you like that entry level car, you get familiar with the badge, you buy a bigger car/SUV they make, you continue to be happy with it, so you talk the brand up to other people, buy your kids one etc. You build brand loyalty.

It was cheaper for Toyota to use a rebadged Mazda 2's in the dwindling subcompact market to maintain their brand presence at the entry level, rather than certify their own car for the North American market and ship it here. Now that they are pushing more entry level CUVs they are backing out of the subcompact car market in North America.

Think on this though: Toyota is pulling out of the subcompact class of cars, Ford & Chevy are too, Dodge has been out for a long time, Fiat is pulling out of NA.

The list of sub-compacts in the North American market is getting very small, which also means the list of affordable entry level cars is getting very small.

Honda, Hyundai/Kia Nissan & Mitsubishi (assuming they survive) are going to be the only options soon. Mini, although available, is quite a bit more expensive. In reality though, it's Honda or Hyundai/Kia, so really only two options in the end since the Hyundai and Kia are the same car under the skin.
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Think on this though: Toyota is pulling out of the subcompact class of cars, Ford & Chevy are too, Dodge has been out for a long time, Fiat is pulling out of NA.
That's fine. There are plenty of very good compact options on the market, and if people can't afford them, buy used. The US doesn't need sub-compact cars. The majority of the population can't even fit in one.
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That's fine. There are plenty of very good compact options on the market, and if people can't afford them, buy used. The US doesn't need sub-compact cars. The majority of the population can't even fit in one.
The entry level price for a car increases by 33% overnight, this is a good thing?

The price of used cars will also increase if there is no affordable new car to a large segment of the population.

I'm average height, that means that roughly half the population is taller than me and the other half is shorter than me; so half of the population can fit in these cars. Sub Compacts have roughly the same passenger space for front seat occupants as the compact class does.
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There are still options on the market, but honestly the financial aspect of a car like this... just oof. Do they really sell any other than to rental car agencies?

But this car isn't a Toyota, it's not even a collaboration. It's a straight up mazda with swapped badges. Badge engineering like this was so early 2000's.

As far as fitting into the car, I was more referring to width than height...
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