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Old 05-27-2020, 05:42 AM   #1
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Default The facelifted Kia Rio’s manual gearbox features clutch-by-wire tech

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https://www.topgear.com.ph/news/car-...a3832-20200527

Never let it be said that run-of-the-mill hatchbacks and superminis don’t deserve our attention. Yes, a midlife refresh of the fourth-generation Kia Rio may not sound like the most exciting news right now, but listen up...

The big changes here are clearly not in the styling department—the Rio looks much the same as it did before. You’d have done well to spot the narrower ‘tiger nose’ grille, the lower and wider front bumper, and the new foglamp housing, although you may just have been able to pick out the new 16-inch wheel design and LED lights.

No, the breaking news here refers to the Rio’s powertrains. As part of this facelift, Kia is introducing two versions of mild-hybrid system, where a 48V lithium-ion battery supplements the torque of either a 99hp or 118hp version of the 1.0-liter turbocharged gasoline engine. That’s hardly groundbreaking, of course, but Kia also says this system will use clutch-by-wire technology with a six-speed manual gearbox.

The clutch-by-wire system means the third pedal remains, but it isn’t directly connected to the clutch by a mechanical linkage. Instead, a sensor on the pedal tells the car’s electronic brain when to engage the clutch, and an electromechanical actuator does the operating. All very clever. Because the link between pedal and clutch is electronic, the car can automatically take over in certain situations, and means Kia has incorporated a coasting function, whereby the clutch is disengaged and the engine is switched off well before you come to a halt, all to improve fuel economy—something that’s usually the preserve of automatic and dual-clutch transmissions.

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Kia is calling this system its intelligent Manual Transmission (iMT), and says that it “contributes to the MHEV system’s greater fuel efficiency and lower CO2 emissions, while retaining the driver engagement of a conventional manual transmission.” What it feels like to operate, we’ll have to wait and see.

Told you this was no standard facelift.






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Anyway, further details and specs and prices will be released later this year, but we do know a seven-speed DCT will be available for those who don’t fancy the trick manual. There’ll also be a larger eight-inch touchscreen inside and a higher-resolution 4.2-inch digital display between the analog (hurrah!) dials, as well as a heap of new active safety features.

That’s about it, then, but we’ll leave you with one little stat to mull over: Kia reckons the combination of mild-hybrid system and clutch-by-wire tech reduces the Rio’s CO2 emissions by between 8.1% and 10.7%. So, is this the future?
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Old 05-27-2020, 07:37 AM   #2
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clutch-by-wire? may as well remove the pedals and wheel, give the driver (or should I say player) a PS4 controller and be done with it already.
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Old 05-27-2020, 08:07 AM   #3
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This brings “fake shifting” to a whole bother level...

Can you ride the clutch? Can you over-rev a downshift / moneyshift? Dump the clutch?
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Old 05-27-2020, 09:07 AM   #4
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Just get rid of the whole thing all together.
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Old 05-28-2020, 06:36 AM   #5
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I am probably in the minority here but I like the idea. It’s a step closer to having a true manual and auto in the same car. A clutch is one of the items that is easy to tune the feel by just a choice of the return spring.
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Old 05-28-2020, 07:08 AM   #6
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All depends if you’re actually in complete control of the engagement at a granular level.
Or if you’re foot’s just a “trigger” to tell the car to complete the engagement. No f’ing thanks to the latter. Why bother at that point? A novelty, for what? The target demographic doesn’t know what a clutch is...
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Old 05-28-2020, 11:26 AM   #7
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Kia needs to give this Rio the N treatment, and throw in AWD as an option.
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Old 06-25-2020, 05:27 AM   #8
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Default Kia reveals innovative new mild-hybrid manual transmission

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...l-transmission

Kia reveals innovative new mild-hybrid manual transmission
Korean firm says new system will boost fuel economy, reduce emissions and ensure driver engagement



The system replaces the traditional mechanical linkage for the clutch with an electronic wired connection, with the system then integrated into the 48V MHEV powertrain system. It works with the mild-hybrid’s starter-generator to switch off the engine when coasting – while keeping the chosen gear engaged – which Kia claims boosts fuel efficiency and reduces CO2 emissions by up to 3% in real-world conditions.


Kia has revealed a new manual gearbox, using an electronic rather than mechanical linkage, for its forthcoming mild-hybrid models, which the firm claims offers improved fuel economy and greater driver engagement.

The new Intelligent Manual Transmission (IMT) system will be introduced on the 1.6-litre 48V mild-hybrid diesel powertrain for the Ceed and Xceed, and will also be used on the 1.0-litre mild-hybrid petrol version of the forthcoming refreshed Rio. It will then be introduced to other 48V electrified powertrains in the future.

The IMT system has been developed at the Hyundai Motor Group’s European technical centre in Germany, with a specific focus on the European market due to the continued popularity of manual gearboxes. Michael Winkler, Kia’s powertrain boss, said that manuals still accounted for more than half of the Korean firm’s sales in Europe.

“Manual gearboxes are a real driver for Europe, so we wanted to look at how to electrify a manual transmission,” said Winkler. “When we look at the global picture we still see real demand for manual gearboxes, and we saw a real benefit to being able to offer a manual transmission on a 48V electrified system.

“While the system does boost real-world economy, it’s not all about efficiency but comfort for drivers: the 48V system offers a smoother stop-start system, for example. The benefit for customers is they don’t have to do anything different: the system does it automatically.”
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Old 06-25-2020, 06:57 AM   #9
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All we know is that he's not Henry Winkler, he's Henry Winklers less fun German cousin.
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Old 06-25-2020, 05:18 PM   #10
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Wait, so now the shift linkage is electronic, not just the clutch linkage? So it's basically like my Mom's 2012 Camry AT where you can "select" whatever gear you want, but the computer won't let you go into 6th gear at 35 mph, holding 4th until it decides you're ready for an upshift.

Boooo, do not want...
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Old 06-25-2020, 05:21 PM   #11
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Do they even understand why people want manual transmissions in the first place? Because it seems like they don't get it...
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Old 06-25-2020, 08:03 PM   #12
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Seems like an automatic with extra steps aka early flappy paddles.

But after riding in many Uber/Lyft with manual drivers, people really lug little 4cyl cars around. I doubt most people in this segment will even notice it.
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