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Old 11-29-2016, 07:17 PM   #26
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If the new GTS is anything like the old package you'll get PASM standard along with sport chrono and the sport exhaust and the package will cost $2000 less than adding all of them to the S model.
Plus an additional 15HP and fatter torque curve - I don't think they'll give it an additional 25HP as that would be 5 more than the base Carrera
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Old 11-29-2016, 09:21 PM   #27
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Yup. H6 isn't a fast as the new turbo H4 because of the fat torque curve the turbo offers, but the car just feels so perfect with the linearity of the H6. I wasn't planning on selling the car, ever, but it's nice to know that having the NA H6 boosts future resale.
Hoping that will be the case for the 987s too
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I'm not buying a 4cyl Porsche.
So that's why you're not getting a 550 Spyder.
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Old 11-30-2016, 12:46 PM   #29
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So that's why you're not getting a 550 Spyder.
You know what I meant. Would it have been easier for you all to accept if I said "I'm not paying $90K for a 4cyl turbo sports car" instead?

I'm not getting a 550 because I'm poor!
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So buy a 4-cyl VW with a Porsche badge.
A 914?
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Old 11-30-2016, 08:21 PM   #31
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Picking up one of the last NA caymans or a 997 carrera is looking like a very wise investment at this point.

I wonder if there are going to be turbo delete kits for new 911's

O how the world turns.
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Old 11-30-2016, 09:53 PM   #32
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A 914?
There is one 914 I would like to buy, but it's a 6. There is one that runs in FP at SCCA Solo events (driven by Tom O'Gorman). Essentially a tube frame with a fiberglass body on it and some variety of race-spec 2.9L out of a 911. Absolutely ridiculous.

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Old 12-01-2016, 12:02 AM   #33
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I have a friend here locally with 2 914's - 1 was a project with his son with original motor (worked over) that went to Monterey this year, but the 2nd is a racecar that's too nice for the track LOL - fiberglass widebody in Martini livery - old magnesium BBS' - fully adjustable suspension and a mezger out of a 996 gt3. There is an amazing 914 junkyard very close to here in Redwood City - they have everything 914 - owner is awesome too, pricing is attitude dependent.
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Due to be formally unveiled at next month’s LA motor show, the Cayman GTS coupe and Boxster GTS Roadster will be priced from $173,100 (plus on-road costs) and $175,900 (plus on-road costs) respectively.


Both are seen here in official photographs bearing subtle physical changes including a re-worked front bumper, black tinted head lamps and tail lamps, a more prominent rear diffuser element and centrally-mounted back tail pipes included in the car’s sports exhaust system.

The big revelation is the high-acclaimed 3.5-litre flat six-cylinder of the predecessor GTS models has been eschewed for a 2.5-litre turbo-four that already does service in the regular 718 models.

A new intake system and turbocharger help boost power to 269kW and 430Nm, the latter on a band of revs between 1900rpm and 5000rpm. The GTS brings an additional 11kW and 10Nm over the S model on which it is heavily based, and up to 26kW on the predecessor.

The increase in power and torque correspond with a 4.1 second 0-100km/h time and 290km/h top speed, when paired with the optional $5980 PDK automatic transmission.

The GTS’ sportier pretensions are underlined by standard fitment of a mechanical rear differential lock with Porsche Torque Vectoring, Porsche Active Suspension Management (which lowers the suspension by 10mm) and Sports Chrono Package.

Inside the GTS models feature Alcantara accents on the seats, steering wheel, centre console and arm rests. Naturally, both are offered with Porsche’s Track Precision App, which allows driver to record, display and analyse driving data on their smartphone.

Porsche Cars Australia has indicated an early 2018 arrival of the GTS duo.




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For some reason I thought they were going to keep the 6 for the GTS models.
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For some reason I thought they were going to keep the 6 for the GTS models.
Rumor has it that will be reserved for the next GT4.
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Don't be surprised if the 4 cyl version gets a discount and the 6 gets worked back in as main motor. Sales off near 30% since change. Like who wants to spend over $50k on a 4 banger ? Its not about HP but drive feel.
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2018 Porsche 718 GTS first drive review

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There's no such thing as a 'bargain' Porsche, but the 718 GTS is close.

Highs

Blacked out exterior accents add appropriate menace
Driving dynamics are far superior to rivals
Both manual and PDK are phenomenal gearboxes
Elite curb appeal for a palatable price

Lows

Exhaust note is more like a hot hatch than a sports car
Missing some luxury features we'd expect


Past a certain dollar figure, is there such thing as a bargain? Porsche tells us the new 718 Cayman and Boxster GTS are something of a deal. At $80,800 and $82,800, respectively, the Cayman and Boxster GTS discount their upgrades compared to an S model with the same specifications.

We don’t doubt Porsche’s math, but is the 718 GTS the right performance bundle? The name certainly has credibility, tracing its lineage back to 1964, when Porsche introduced its 904 Carrera GTS (Gran Turismo Sport) as a street legal homologation of the FIA-GT racecar. Originally, GTS signified an additional layer of comfort in race-bred sports cars, but as the automaker introduced more GTS models, it came to represent increased performance in touring vehicles.

While GTS is a mid-range ‘enthusiast special’ of Porsche’s other models, it represents the highest performance designation for the new 718 Cayman and Boxster – that is until GT4 and Spyder variants hit the market. Contending with the new GTS duo for two-door sports car market share is Audi’s TT-RS ($65,875), Jaguar’s F-Type R-Dynamic ($82,050 Coupe, $85,150 Convertible), and Chevrolet’s Corvette ($55,495 Coupe, $59,495 Convertible).

Our positive experience in the base 718 Cayman has us pretty jazzed for these headlining trims. It’s off to Napa, California, for a few hundred miles of scenic seat time.

Porsche’s 718 Cayman and Boxster feature conservatively upscale designs, while the GTS treatment is one of increased aggression. The most telling details are black accents sprinkled around each car’s exterior. A unique front fascia is matched with black housings for the bi-xenon headlights. At the rear, darkened LED taillights accompany black sport exhaust tips and a bespoke rear diffuser. Every 718 GTS also wears gloss black 20-inch Carrera S wheels wrapped in Pirelli P Zero or Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires – sized 235 front and 265 rear.

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Even the standard 718 models make clear nods to Porsche’s motorsport roots, but the GTS trim enhances the sense of sportiness. In racing applications, Alcantara is applied to surfaces for improved grip (especially when wearing gloves or with perspiring hands). This same material is applied to several touch points in the GTS, including the steering wheel rim, gear shifter (manual) or selector (PDK), door panels, headliner, center console, and seat inserts. Whether customers actually track their cars or just appreciate the motorsport-derived look, Porsche is happy to oblige.


Other unique cues include GTS badging on the prominent tachometer and stitching on the seat headrests. The Sport Chrono package comes standard in the GTS, and adds a dash-mounted clock/lap timer, a smaller-diameter GT Sport steering wheel, and a four-position drive mode dial. The rest of the 718 cabin is typical Porsche fare – that is to say high quality, comfortable, and intuitive. Standard two-way electronically adjustable sport seats are both supple and supportive for a mix of driving duties, and a 5.1 cubic foot front trunk offers sufficient space for a long weekend worth of baggage.

PCM is among the most logical infotainment systems we’ve encountered.
The 718 GTS comes equipped with Porsche’s Communication Management System (PCM), a 7.0-inch center display, and a 4.6-inch digital driver display. Between the two high-resolution screens, passengers have access to navigation, entertainment, telemetry, and other settings. Apple CarPlay is available for a small premium, but Android Auto cannot be equipped. PCM’s menu structure and mix of touchscreen and physical controls is among the most logical infotainments we’ve encountered regardless of segment.

Standard convenience features include two USB ports, Bluetooth calling and audio, Sirius XM, HD Radio, and a backup camera. Two upgraded speaker systems are available from Bose and Burmeister, as is a 4G LTE Wi-Fi hotspot. Porsche also offers two driver assistance features: full-speed adaptive cruise control, and lane change assist. Some of the GTS’ rivals offer a more robust set of standard features, but none provides a more distinguished, sporty cabin.

Driving experience

There’s more to a GTS than mere aesthetics, as one look at the spec sheet or a firm stomp of the accelerator quickly reveals. To extract more performance from the 718 S’ mid-mounted 2.5-liter flat four-cylinder, Porsche designed a new intake manifold and an advanced VTG (variable turbo geometry) system. With an improved 18.1 PSI of boost from the larger diameter turbocharger (compared to 16.7 PSI in the S models), the Boxster and Cayman GTS produce 365 horsepower and either 309 or 317 pound-feet of torque depending on transmission. S models, by comparison, register 350 hp and 309 lb-ft.


Porsche offers a choice of six-speed manual or seven-speed dual-clutch (PDK) transmissions, each with its own appeal. Few gearboxes are as precise and engaging as Porsche’s standard six-speed, though the GTS’ peak performance is only accessible with the PDK. Stunningly quick shifts via the steering wheel-mounted paddles make the most of launch mode’s minimal wheel spin for a 0-60 mph romp of just 3.9 seconds. Only the all-wheel drive Audi TT-RS is quicker to 60 mph, though all of the 718 GTS’ key competitors produce more power – up to 90 additional ponies in the case of the V8-powered Corvette.

The GTS is built to whip corners into shape, plotting a tight line through Napa’s coastal bends as if by clairvoyance.
Complementing the upgraded powertrain is Porsche’s torque vectoring system, mechanical locking rear differential, adaptive suspension dampers, a lowered ride height, four-piston front brakes from the 911 Carrera, and a three-mode traction control system. The GTS is clearly built to whip corners into shape, plotting a tight line through Napa’s coastal bends as if by clairvoyance.

Four distinct drive modes re-tune the ride quality, throttle mapping, shift response, and steering for more docile or engaging driving experience. Sport mode is the standout for daily driving fun, with good pedal response and agreeable ride quality. Sport Plus is one or two ticks overly aggressive for public roads, but track enthusiasts will certainly appreciate this setting for white-knuckle maneuvers. If there’s any real letdown to the GTS driving experience, it’s the engine note. Oddly enough, the base 718’s 2.0-liter burble is more enjoyable than the 2.5-liter’s gargle – amplified by the GTS’ sport exhaust. The noise isn’t enough to disrupt the euphoria of driving the 718 GTS, but drivers might not wish to open the baffles on their two-stage exhaust.


Porsche quotes EPA estimates of 19 city, 25 highway, and 21 combined mpg for manual-equipped 718 Boxster and Cayman GTS models, which tracks with each key competitor. The available PDK gearbox improves these figures by 1 mpg across the board,

Warranty

Porsche offers a new vehicle warranty with four years or 50,000 miles of coverage. Included in the warranty is a 24-hour roadside assistance program, but unlike many of Porsche’s luxury manufacturer rivals, free scheduled maintenance is only included for the first year. Beyond then, Customers can expect to spend just over $4,600 in standard maintenance by the fourth year of ownership. On top of these expenses, unscheduled repairs will account for approximately $2,900. These figures are average for luxury sports cars. J.D. Power rates Porsche 5/5 for both dependability and overall quality, and owners consistently express positive experiences via online forums.



How DT would configure this car

Our ideal Porsche 718 GTS would either be the Cayman in Guards Red with a six-speed manual or the Boxster in Carrera White ($650) with a red fabric top and seven-speed PDK ($3,730). Here are the boxes we’d check for the Cayman: auto-dimming mirrors with rain sensing ($700), seat belts in red ($360) dual-zone automatic climate control ($770), seat heating ($530), Bose surround sound system ($990), and Apple CarPlay ($360). Our perfect Cayman GTS sets us back $85,460 (including a $1,050 destination charge). To the Boxster, we’d add the same equipment, plus adaptive cruise control ($1,670), which is only available on PDK-equipped models. Our perfect Boxster GTS is quite a bit pricier at $93,250 (including destination).

Conclusion

Somehow, ‘bargain’ doesn’t seem such a farcical term for Porsche’s new 718 Cayman and Boxster GTS models. It isn’t the one-to-one part savings that justify the premium, however. With possible exception for the discontinued GT4, these are the finest versions of the Cayman/Boxster nameplate yet. Outside Porsche’s own stable, the 718 GTS duo out-handle and their competitors and, better still, they’re just more fun.


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just get a used GT4

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So you can get spanked by a 718 GTS. COBB is getting around 40 RWHP on the GTS with just a tune.

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So you can get spanked by a 718 GTS. COBB is getting around 40 RWHP on the GTS with just a tune.

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Why would 40 RWHP be a good thing when it comes with 365 ALREADY from the factory? Are P-car owners idiots like that?

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For the noise, yes. For performance, the 718's have more area under the curve.

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It accomplishes two things. First, it helps the "status symbol" FW's (****-wits) not hurt their garage queen when they take it out once a month just to show off how much money they've spent. Second, it helps Porsche drivers not end up like Mustang drivers. If you have no torque you can't spin out into a crowd of people.
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Alfa Giulia drive just as good and they discount heavy. Nice equipped at $40k and the steering and brake feel is better than Cayman. Or just buy a 911 imho. No way an over $50k 4 banger. EU can shove their CO2 credits up their own arse
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Alfa Giulia drive just as good and they discount heavy. Nice equipped at $40k and the steering and brake feel is better than Cayman. Or just buy a 911 imho. No way an over $50k 4 banger. EU can shove their CO2 credits up their own arse
But then you have an Alfa..

And not a Porsche.
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And they don't drive "just as good" the steering and brake feel is nowhere near as good - that is just cobblers.

M4/QF/C63AMG - take your pick - they're fun for sedans but when it comes to handling and driver engagement - pretty blunt tools.

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Compare buying prices, Jaguar, Corvette do some big big discounts. The higher the model the bigger the discounts too. Ive seen $20, 30 and even $40+k off those brands and they had V6 Turbo and V8 power. Porsche can shove the CO2 credits where the Sun does not shine with 4 bangers in USA.
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Compare buying prices, Jaguar, Corvette do some big big discounts. The higher the model the bigger the discounts too. Ive seen $20, 30 and even $40+k off those brands and they had V6 Turbo and V8 power. Porsche can shove the CO2 credits where the Sun does not shine with 4 bangers in USA.
Jag has 4 cylinders (2.0T, yes in the F-Type too) as well, and we all know Chevy has an arsenal of fuel efficient appliances that allow them to continue to make V8 cars.

Porsche does not.

We can all agree that the flat 6 sound is worlds better, but that the end of the day the 718 S will outrun a 981 S every single time.

And it's not always about the price tag.
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