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Old 07-26-2018, 06:46 AM   #1
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The Ford Ranger’s return to the U.S. is agonizing. The compact pickup truck debuted earlier this year after years of rumors about its return to American soil. The truck disappeared from the U.S. after Ford discontinued production of the third-generation in 2012. With the new truck announced for the U.S., enthusiasts turned their attention to the Ranger Raptor following the standard pickup. However, Trevor Worthington, Ford's vice president of product development for Asia Pacific, in an interview with CarAdvice.com.au, may have dashed those hopes.

In the interview, the publication asked about Ford offering more powerful gasoline or diesel V6 engines in the Raptor. Worthington quickly dispelled any hope of that possibility.

"Well, we haven't looked at that one [referring to a petrol or diesel V6] because as I've said this morning, the vast majority of the 200 markets that we sell Ranger, and when I say a vast majority I mean 99 percent are all diesel markets," Worthington said. "It'd be like turning up with something that people wouldn't even consider buying.”

The Ranger Raptor sports a bitrubocharged 2.0-liter diesel engine is producing 211 horsepower and 369 pound-feet of torque. That’s plenty for overseas markets, but U.S. customers would likely demand more power from their performance truck. The 2.7-liter EcoBoost V6 would have been a worthy replacement in the U.S. But now it seems the truck and a gasoline engine are unlikely to make it stateside. Ford has yet to confirm if the U.S. will get the pickup. And it sounds like the plan from the beginning was to keep the Ranger Raptor in other markets.

"The job always was, what's the best diesel power pack that we can find, balanced across all the attributes, that's going to work in all of those markets and with all kinds of people," Worthington told the publication.

"This customer with this particular utility is looking for a certain level of outcome related to performance, related to fuel economy, we are convinced that this is the right solution, transmission and engine power pack,” he added. “I think the only V6 diesel that we have is a 3.0-litre V6 and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't fit even if we tried to make it fit.”

This doesn’t mean the Ranger Raptor won’t come to the U.S. eventually. We may get the diesel-powered performance truck at some point down the road. However, fans hoping for a gasoline-powered compact performance pickup may have to look elsewhere.
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Ford Ranger chief engineer: Safety is 'number one priority', AEB going range-wide


But the Raptor, the most expensive model in the entire range, won't have it from launch.


Even though the range-topping Ranger Raptor misses out on autonomous emergency braking, Ford's team responsible for developing the model locally says driver safety is top of its priorities list.

After exclusively revealing it won't offer autonomous emergency braking on the Ranger Raptor last week, Ford has confirmed it's working on the technology, but faced technical challenges too steep to climb by the model's launch.

The all-new Ranger Raptor (and the entire Ranger line-up) will pick up autonomous emergency braking (AEB) eventually – and the system won't be a drag or affect its off-road abilities, according to the local engineering team.

Speaking with CarAdvice at the launch of the Ranger Raptor this week in Darwin, vice president of product development for Ford Asia Pacific, Trevor Worthington, said the company made a conscious effort to prioritise volume sellers in the technology's rollout.


"Vehicles are very, very complex and our view was – just given how AEB became just such an important deal – we wanted to get AEB on the greatest number of Rangers that we could sell," Worthington explained.

"So, we focused on the vehicles that contribute the most in terms of their share. The good news is about 70 to 80 per cent of Rangers that we sell from the new model onwards will have AEB," he elaborated.

"The other derivatives that are smaller in total volume and have a level of uniqueness that meant that they needed a unique solution are the ones that are going to come next. So, we're working on them. They're on their way."

When quizzed about the specific challenges, Worthington used his best autonomous answer-avoidance technology, coming across a bit vague in the process.


"If you look in front of a Ranger Raptor, and in front of a regular 2018 Ranger, you'd see that there's a number of differences around the physical structure," he argued.

"So that means the mounting of equipment. It really comes down just to the uniqueness of particularly the Ranger Raptor relative to others in the line. We're working on it. All the testing is happening."

We also spoke with the chief program engineer for Ranger Raptor, Damien Ross, in the hope we'd get a clearer answer on why, after three years of development, basic safety technology like this was omitted.

Asked whether Ford takes customer safety lightly, he said the company considers it "very seriously. Very seriously".

"Safety is the number one priority and it always has been," he said.


"What we're trying to do is deploy the right features as fast as we can do that," he went on. "So by next year we'll have a kind of an AEB on all of our Rangers."

When asked why Ford didn't employ more people to engineer a solution for its new halo product, Ross explained it wasn't a resource issue, but a technology issue.

"This is not about resources. It's about technology, about availability. So for us, it's about when is it available and it can deploy it. We are doing it in the fastest time we can do it."

"All we can say, not wanting to let away trade secrets, it is a different geometry of the vehicle, the technology. The technology we choose does have to fit the geometry, and height, and all of the aspects of the vehicle. Simply, that technology we're still running the final testing on," said Ross.

Ford also took steps to confirm that fitting AEB to Ranger and Ranger Raptor won't affect its off-road ability. In other words, the system won't freak out if passing a rogue branch or approaching a tree – it's designed to specifically detect vehicles, cyclists and pedestrians.
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Old 07-26-2018, 10:41 AM   #2
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Ford; because somebody's gotta' take the fun vehicles away. Hey, any chance you guys can drop the V8 from the Mustang next?
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They should just bring the twin turbo diesel here in it and call it a day. My money is, if they bring it here, it’ll have the RS engine in it, which is sad for a truck.
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Can’t take away from the F150 Raptor I guess....

They need to put a turbo or SC V8 in the F150 Raptor and the 3.5 EB in the Ranger Raptor.
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Can’t take away from the F150 Raptor I guess....

They need to put a turbo or SC V8 in the F150 Raptor and the 3.5 EB in the Ranger Raptor.
Why the 3.5lt? Just slap he 2.7 ecoboost in it. That’s far more power than it needs and it spools significantly faster. I mean ****, I love my f150 2.lt ecoboost and really haven’t felt the need for more power. If I was towing a large boat, the sure.
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Why the 3.5lt? Just slap he 2.7 ecoboost in it. That’s far more power than it needs and it spools significantly faster. I mean ****, I love my f150 2.lt ecoboost and really haven’t felt the need for more power. If I was towing a large boat, the sure.
Or just get standard f150 with Raptor engine in it from the factory (Ford that is)
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What's wrong with the current standard engine? Ford could easily up the hp between XLT VS Raptor without increasing cost of manufacturing. Maybe they can keep the cost down vs dealer gouging..


I just wish they would offer a six on the floor for stupid people like me.
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Or just get standard f150 with Raptor engine in it from the factory (Ford that is)
Is this an option? I only see the HO 3.5 available in the Raptor.
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IMO, a Bronco ($UV) built off of this platform would sell better in the US vs the Ranger Raptor. Also likely would steal sales from its F-150 based bigger brother.
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Is this an option? I only see the HO 3.5 available in the Raptor.
I'll leave the actual post to Avante

https://www.leftlanenews.com/2019-fo...v6-100997.html

2019 Ford F-150 Limited will come with the Raptor V6.
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The next generation Ford Ranger Raptor is due to get a twin turbo petrol V6, but will Australia get a 3.0 TDV6 – or the choice of one or both engines?


The 2022 Ford Ranger Raptor is expected to adopt twin turbo V6 petrol power – and arrive hot on the heels of the regular Ranger line-up.

While this is an artist impression of the 2022 Ford Ranger Raptor – and the real deal could look substantially different – the good news is we won't need to wait too long to see the production version.

Today’s Ford Ranger Raptor performance pick-up arrived in 2018, seven years after the regular versions of this generation Ranger went on sale.

But the next Ford Ranger Raptor could arrive within a year of the regular Ford Ranger line-up, pending any unforeseen delays during development.


The original Ford Ranger Raptor has been a hero model for the brand, and sales have exceeded expectations despite being powered by a 2.0-litre bi-turbo diesel four-cylinder, and having a limited towing capacity of 2500kg rather than 3500kg.

However, CarAdvice understands Ford is going to answer the call for more grunt with a twin turbo 3.0-litre V6 petrol engine and 10-speed automatic borrowed from the Ford Explorer ST in the US (pictured below).

In that vehicle, the twin turbo 3.0-litre V6 petrol engine pumps out approximately 300kW and 560Nm, which would leave a gap to the Ford F-150 Raptor twin turbo 3.5-litre V6 petrol engine with 335kW and 690Nm.

Although not as powerful as the Ford F-150 Raptor, the twin turbo 3.0-litre V6 in the Ford Explorer ST helps power that car to a claimed top speed of 230km/h.


There is no suggestion the 2022 Ford Ranger Raptor will match that speed, given the extra weight of the vehicle, less favourable aerodynamics, and extra drag from the heavy duty off-road tyres.

However, such a formidable engine and transmission combination promises better acceleration than today’s Ford Ranger Raptor.

Testing by CarAdvice has found the current Ford Ranger Raptor powered by a 2.0-litre bi-turbo diesel four-cylinder does the 0 to 100km/h dash between 10.2 to 10.5 seconds (depending on conditions), about 1 second slower than the Ford Ranger XLT with the same powertrain due to the extra weight (XLT: 2200kg versus Raptor: 2350kg).

Furthermore, the current Ford Ranger Raptor powered by a 2.0-litre bi-turbo four-cylinder is more than 2 seconds slower than the current Volkswagen Amarok TDV6 (7.8 seconds 0 to 100kmh), the current benchmark for the class excluding the full-size Ram 1500 V8 and Chevrolet Silverado V8 pick-ups from the US.

It is unclear if the petrol powered version of the 2022 Ford Ranger Raptor is only for the US market, which favours petrol over diesel, or whether it will also be offered in Australia.

Will the 2022 Ford Ranger Raptor be available locally with the twin turbo 3.0-litre V6 petrol (300kW/560Nm), the single turbo 3.0-litre V6 diesel (185kW/600Nm) – pictured below – or a choice of both?


Whichever V6 is chosen, they're likely to be matched to a 10-speed automatic transmission, for brisk acceleration and optimum open road fuel economy.

Given the cost and complexity of developing both V6 engine options, it would be unusual for Ford to offer two powertrains on a performance flagship.

All Raptors made so far on F-150 and Ranger platforms – and most Ford Performance cars – have had a single engine choice.

However, in Europe Ford offers petrol and diesel variants of the Focus ST hot hatch (current and previous generation models).

Either way, the next generation Ford Ranger Raptor promises a big leap in performance that will better match its epic off-road ability thanks to Fox shocks, off-road tyres, a wider track and bigger, four-wheel-disc brakes.


The 2022 Ford Ranger Raptor will also benefit from other technology changes to the regular Ranger line-up, including a more upmarket interior with larger digital displays, and new levels of advanced safety (see our story here).

While arrival timing of the 2022 Ford Ranger Raptor remains unclear, CarAdvice understands it is being developed in parallel with the regular Ranger line-up, which means it is expected within 12 months of the mainstream line-up goes on sale, pending any delays.

Our wish list? If you've come this far, Ford, please just equip the 2022 Ford Ranger Raptor with the twin turbo 3.5-litre V6 from the Ford F-150 Raptor – then we'll have a petrol engine (335kW/690Nm) with more power and torque than the 3.0-litre V6 turbo diesel (185kW/600Nm). All your problems solved in one sentence. If only it were that simple.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/860468/...rbo-v6-petrol/
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