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Old 02-15-2010, 10:10 PM   #26
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Ok, so based on further re-reading of post #1, here is what I propose as assignable cause for such high dyno #s. I may be wrong, but thought I'd throw this out there....

The OPs "old" chart shows whp at ~275 with a catted DP (not sure why he posted that), CAI, and cat back exhaust. IMO no more than 25whp of gain.

Thus, the baseline stock whp #s would acquaint to ~250.... Sooooo ~75whp gain over a 250whp stock baseline is possible with flash/tune, bigger TMIC, pump, and titanium valve stem caps...

Not saying this is *the* answer, but the math seems to line up. IMO dyno is way freakin above "normal".

I remember how stoked Franz Diebold was for weeks after going to the dyno day at F1 Dyno Tuning. He "pulled" 80whp more on their Mustang (vs a dyno dynamics...) in his Evo and broke 400whp with stock turbo, cams, and water/meth.

"F1 Dyno...best mod ev-ar" he'd chuckle....
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Old 02-16-2010, 01:51 AM   #27
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You guys might want to check this out>>>

Hb speeds dyno database thread
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1659441

Here is the dyno chart of an 08 sti...

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Old 02-16-2010, 01:55 AM   #28
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That's some awesome results. Them vf52's on the new WRx's are insane power makers. I'm jealous How does it compare to your 06 Wrx with a vf39?
My 06 was fast but doesnt pull as strong as my 09 does now... Also felt a lot laggier. Never really ran right as I think I bent a valve.

My 06 was running a css tmic, inlet, 255, and cai with a cat. made 300/300
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Old 02-16-2010, 02:10 AM   #29
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wow mcangz and Redfitz your tuner in nuts!! my tuner deams 90% IDC to be safe. for me at 290hp and 311TQ thats only 17psi with catted TBE, CAI, UP, LWP, 255 pump and 3-port EBCS. theres no way you two are safe running 19-20psi!! forget the hp numbers, you guys have headers which ive heard can make a lot of power and torque so i cant comment. we tryed 18psi but the intercooler was to hot up top so we had to back off but we were hitting 225TQ around 3k ish. so your TQ seems right for 19-20psi. but again you guys have to be at 100-110% IDC=not good!
I believe my icd's are only at 80%. I can check with the AP. The stock injectors are fine for the stock turbo. I think the injectors in the 09 are bigger than previous years. Jon recommended that I get a fuel pump to help things out. I went with a fmic because I wanna get a bigger turbo in the future.

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PnPing headers are not done for power. It's done to decrease spool time. If he is making power from it, it's nothing to take notice of.
With the fmic I spool about 400 rpms later than Mcganz with the tmic. So I would give credit to the PnP header. I wanna get the Perrin header but I also wanna trade my car in and get an Evo X
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Thanks redzfit for the input. So whats next mod wise??

Epic came out with some springs for the 09
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Old 02-16-2010, 02:35 AM   #31
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Thanks redzfit for the input. So whats next mod wise??

Epic came out with some springs for the 09
That or maybe the H&R springs. I also like the swift springs. I am kinda waiting to see how things play out because I wanna get the X, but I am going to get my girl a ring so that would be my down payment money. I would only get the X if they did 0% for 60 months again. As far as the Subie next would be headers, what ever turbo would not blow my motor (according to Jon) injectors and springs. I also need a new clutch because mine started slipping when I launched it @ 3k after I got tuned, so I haven't launched it since.

What about you?
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:23 AM   #32
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2.5L STi 04 to 07 = 225whp


Thus if Mcganz's WRX put down ~225 as a baseline (which means the dyno is waaay off),
how does that work? 09s have been shown to put down the same or more than an sti stock.

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Old 02-16-2010, 04:24 AM   #33
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how does that work? 09s have been shown to put down the same or more than an sti stock.
exactly.

Im probably done with the motor for a while.... suspension is my next goal. What do mean by X?
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:46 AM   #34
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Yo Brian!
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:18 AM   #36
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^^^^^Of course stock injectors ar fine on a stock turbo, because stock turbo's aren't making 18G power. Those dyno #'s don't add up. Other wise stock VF's can now hold 300whp at redline WHILE on stock injectors on 91 octane. No friggin way.

Look at this dyno of an 18G on the same type of car, and **ON** 93 octane... so to extrapolate your car on 93 octane makes the power of td5 18G...........

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1933183

Someone's dyno is needs to be repaired or someone's tune isn't safe
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:40 AM   #37
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I believe my icd's are only at 80%. I can check with the AP. The stock injectors are fine for the stock turbo. I think the injectors in the 09 are bigger than previous years. Jon recommended that I get a fuel pump to help things out. I went with a fmic because I wanna get a bigger turbo in the future.
i promise you at 19-20psi you ARE NOT at 80% IDC. every 09 since they came out and tuning them are getting the 540CC injectors to 18psi and running them at 95-98%. how in the world would you be at only 80%? "hopes and dreams dyno" and "lets break injectors AP"

im at 90% at 17psi with a walbro 255. you and mcangz are not at 80% at higher boost then me, check again

but you guys can deffenently prove EVERYONE wrong!!! your torque and HP should get you guys down the track at about 12.1-12.3. one of you need to go

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Old 02-16-2010, 11:16 AM   #38
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09s have been shown to put down the same or more than an sti stock.
When modded, not when stock. Trust me, I've run my 09 STI against some and they are not as fast when you are talking stage 2 = stage 2.
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exactly.

Im probably done with the motor for a while.... suspension is my next goal. What do mean by X?
Evo X
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i promise you at 19-20psi you ARE NOT at 80% IDC. every 09 since they came out and tuning them are getting the 540CC injectors to 18psi and running them at 95-98%. how in the world would you be at only 80%? "hopes and dreams dyno" and "lets break injectors AP"

im at 90% at 17psi with a walbro 255. you and mcangz are not at 80% at higher boost then me, check again

but you guys can deffenently prove EVERYONE wrong!!! your torque and HP should get you guys down the track at about 12.1-12.3. one of you need to go
I really want to take my car down the 1/4 but I don't know how to go about it. Since my last tune I have only done 2 0-60 attempts (on the AP) first time I got 4.45 seconds and the second try my clutch started slipping so I have not done it since. I was only launching at 3.5k both tries.....
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OE 09 STI = 225-255 whp (depending on the stock tune condition)
OE 09 WRX= 245whp repeatably
OE 07 Sti made 254 the other day on 98 octane (combats the knock that drops power)
and it also ran more boost than usual

The WRX and STI have essentially the same motor turbo and inlet
and exhaust. The WRX has a Timing curve of about 14* @ peak Tq and rises to about 24* @ redline its kinda wavy but that shows in the stock chart. Plus that extended closed loop BS makes it worse.

the STI however runs WAY more timing like 18* to about 34* !!! Which is WAY too much. The car knocks and drops the DAM or just runs like ****, and the timing curve looks like the damn Rockies. The boost curve goes up and down too, which exacerbates the issues that the POS stock tune has already.

So by fixing a Time bomb of a timing curve and fueling the car properly, the car makes far more power and runs 2000X better, all with just a flash! Stage 2 parts just make it flow better and make MORE power.

Subaru timing maps are made by retarded monkeys, PERIOD.
maybe on an engine dyno it works but these guys refuse to fix it (emissions reasons) and just leave it up to us!

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Subaru timing maps are made by retarded monkeys, PERIOD.
maybe on an engine dyno it works but these guys refuse to fix it (emissions reasons) and just leave it up to us!
It almost seems like subaru continues to "tune" the USDM sti's on JDM 100 octane pump gas......

I never got the way the base and advance maps are setup......both maps have such random values it really does look like subaru put a calculator down in front of a monkey and let him press buttons.

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14* @ peak torque - 24* @ redline is totally reasonable on 93oct right?
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Now you can say you don't care about me or my opinion but i can tell you for ***** f*ckin sure that i have tuned over 2500 Subaru's both with accessport and Open ecu. I was the first to tune an Open ecu 2010 because i wrote the definitions for myself... and i also tested Cobb's beta software as well.
So much hostility. Nobody railed your ability, personally I thought it was a dyno error, ie it's reading too high. We were just all wondering how his car had so much power. If the car really has that much power, have it dyno somewhere else for a good comparison.

And yes, Subaru does have monkeys doing their tuning. Since 2007 I think?

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14* @ peak torque - 24* @ redline is totally reasonable on 93oct right?
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So much hostility. Nobody railed your ability, personally I thought it was a dyno error, ie it's readin too high. We were just all wondering how his car had so much power. If the car really has that much power, have it dyno somewhere else for a good comparison.

And yes, Subaru does have monkeys doing their tuning. Since 2007 I think?
Jon doesnt need to post comparisons. He's dyno'd cars at PDT, Harman, Maverick, HB Speed, Gruppe-S, etc etc etc.

I've personally been on the dyno with him at harman, pdt, maverick and gruppe-s.

And this all goes back to whats high/low?

Is 260whp high or low for a stock sti? I reckon you'll say high.

Therefore 220whp would be low.

Which one makes sense? 260whp would equate to ~20% drivetrain loss......while 220 whp would equate to ~40% drivetrain loss.

I know which one sounds more correct to me.....but a numbers just a number.

Different dynos to me are just like different units. Its like converting a foot to inches, cm, meters, etc. Its the same length just a different term.
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Different dynos to me are just like different units. Its like converting a foot to inches, cm, meters, etc. Its the same length just a different term.
I completely agree with you Phatron
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according to him anyone else that tunes your car will cause your motor to blow, said it about steve and his old tune by dan/harman & now me w yimi, "i better have money for a new motor if I have paul tune it"

can't argue w someone who "wrote the book on it" tho
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