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Old 12-04-2003, 11:26 PM   #1
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Join Date: Sep 2001
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Default Knock at 3000 to 3800 RPM 4th gear... *log inside*

4th gear
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Old 12-05-2003, 01:23 AM   #3
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Ugh. Thats pulling timing like crazy. Time for a compression test and hope for the best.

Heres a picture of the sexy EJ257 to cheer you up. Its so cheap, how can you afford to NOT buy it?

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Old 12-05-2003, 04:42 AM   #4
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Code:
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^at least it's just a (1) count of knock thats not so bad.

Maybe it's some winter blend gas making itself known..

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Old 12-05-2003, 04:47 AM   #5
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I see you stayed at WOT after the knock event, the timing was pulled by the UTEC ok, and it stays really low after that at 11degrees. Maybe it's the timing duration thing in the parameters section. The part that says how long it keeps the timing retarded. I think it uses crank rotations, maybe you can make that number lower so it will ramp the timing back up sooner.

Of course thats not the real problem the knock is that causes it but if you are going to stay WOT after it you don't want to be running 11degrees that long

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Old 12-05-2003, 04:50 AM   #6
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Code:
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You go from running 21 degrees to 20 degrees and then you get knock. The boost is just coming on there, maybe retard things so you will be down to 19 or 18 degrees when the boost comes on at first, and then ramp it back up between 3,500-4,250rpms I guess which your map probably already does.

If you have a fueling problem like too much/too little fuel thats not something anyone can tell from the logs so hopefully your a/f is good.
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Old 12-05-2003, 04:59 AM   #7
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clutch slip much?


Here is the weird log, it acts like you had detonation and pulls timing like in the other logs but doesn't show a knock count. I have seen my CEL flash without having a knock count show up before when logging once or twice but my timing was not pulled, especially not like that log

Code:
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Old 12-05-2003, 11:50 AM   #8
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Ugh. Thats pulling timing like crazy. Time for a compression test and hope for the best.

Heres a picture of the sexy EJ257 to cheer you up. Its so cheap, how can you afford to NOT buy it?

its soo pretty, but i hope its not the compression
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Old 12-05-2003, 11:50 AM   #9
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3313,+13.3,3.7,101, 80,   02,  rich, +2.2,  44.0, +8.8, -4.6,220.00,3.4
 3439,+14.5,3.7,101, 90,   00,  rich, +1.2,  49.0, +7.5, -4.6,220.00,3.6
 3384,+16.4,3.8,101,100,   00,  rich, +0.2,  52.0, +5.9, -4.6,220.00,3.5
 3494,+18.2,3.7,101,100,   00,  rich, +0.3,  52.0, +5.0, -5.0,220.00,3.5
 3519,+19.4,3.8,101,100,   00,  rich, -0.3,  54.0,+13.0, -4.6,220.00,3.6
 3635,+20.6,3.8,101,100,   00,  rich, -0.3,  55.0,+12.4, -4.7,220.00,3.6
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 3635,+20.8,3.8,101,100,   00,  rich, +0.4,  56.0,+11.2, -5.0,220.00,3.6
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 3894,+19.8,4.0,101,100,   00,  rich, +2.9,  59.0,+11.0, -5.1,220.00,3.7
 3926,+19.6,3.9,101,100,   00,  rich, +3.3,  59.0,+11.0, -5.2,220.00,3.7
 4016,+19.8,3.9,101,100,   00,  rich, +3.7,  59.0,+11.0, -5.2,220.00,3.6
 3982,+19.4,3.9,100,100,   00,  rich, +3.7,  61.0,+11.2, -5.2,220.00,3.8
 4095,+19.6,3.9,100,100,   00,  rich, +4.0,  63.0,+11.4, -5.2,220.00,3.8
I see you stayed at WOT after the knock event, the timing was pulled by the UTEC ok, and it stays really low after that at 11degrees. Maybe it's the timing duration thing in the parameters section. The part that says how long it keeps the timing retarded. I think it uses crank rotations, maybe you can make that number lower so it will ramp the timing back up sooner.

Of course thats not the real problem the knock is that causes it but if you are going to stay WOT after it you don't want to be running 11degrees that long
ill look into that
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Old 12-05-2003, 11:51 AM   #10
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3112, +9.4,3.3,100, 60,   00,  rich,+10.6,  31.0,+21.4, -4.5,220.00,3.2
 3171,+10.0,3.3,100, 60,   00,  rich,+10.0,  32.0,+20.2, -4.5,220.00,3.2
 3205,+11.0,3.4,100, 70,   00,  rich, +9.4,  35.0,+19.8, -4.5,220.00,3.3
 3211,+11.9,3.5,100, 70,   01,  rich, +4.9,  38.0,+11.0, -4.6,220.00,3.3
You go from running 21 degrees to 20 degrees and then you get knock. The boost is just coming on there, maybe retard things so you will be down to 19 or 18 degrees when the boost comes on at first, and then ramp it back up between 3,500-4,250rpms I guess which your map probably already does.

If you have a fueling problem like too much/too little fuel thats not something anyone can tell from the logs so hopefully your a/f is good.
i will try and then log.
i will try and then log
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Old 12-05-2003, 11:52 AM   #11
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3894,+19.8,4.0,101,100,   00,  rich, +2.9,  59.0,+11.0, -5.1,220.00,3.7
 3926,+19.6,3.9,101,100,   00,  rich, +3.3,  59.0,+11.0, -5.2,220.00,3.7
 4016,+19.8,3.9,101,100,   00,  rich, +3.7,  59.0,+11.0, -5.2,220.00,3.6
 3982,+19.4,3.9,100,100,   00,  rich, +3.7,  61.0,+11.2, -5.2,220.00,3.8
clutch slip much?


Here is the weird log, it acts like you had detonation and pulls timing like in the other logs but doesn't show a knock count. I have seen my CEL flash without having a knock count show up before when logging once or twice but my timing was not pulled, especially not like that log

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3353,+12.5,3.5,101, 70,   00,  rich, +6.1,  39.0,+18.1, -4.6,220.00,3.4
 3360,+13.5,3.5,101, 80,   00,  rich, +5.0,  43.0,+16.8, -4.6,220.00,3.4
 3425,+14.5,3.7,101, 90,   00,  rich, +4.0,  46.0,+15.2, -4.6,220.00,3.5
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 3568,+18.6,3.8,101,100,   00,  rich, +1.8,  53.0,+12.4, -4.7,220.00,3.6
 3623,+18.8,3.8,101,100,   00,  rich, +1.8,  54.0,+12.0, -4.8,220.00,3.6
 3687,+19.0,3.9,101,100,   00,  rich, +2.6,  56.0,+11.6, -4.9,220.00,3.5
i dont get the slipping clutch part?
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i will try and then log.
i will try and then log
logged myself :rofl:
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Old 12-05-2003, 02:12 PM   #13
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Maybe I'm the only one to feel this way, but 1 knock count at 12 psi is unlikely to cause instant engine death.

Now at 20 psi I would be more concerned, but only slightly.

At 30 psi, I think det might kill the pistons pretty fast...

But that's just me...
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