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Old 05-13-2013, 03:03 PM   #576
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http://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-most-p...-was-504503726

The World's Most Powerful Computer Network Is Being Wasted on Bitcoin

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Bitcoin mining machines are insane powerhouses, and they're only getting crazier. How much power is getting sunk into the digital cryptocurrency? More than the world's top 500 supercomputers combined. What a waste.
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According to Bitcoin Watch, the whole Bitcoin network hit a record-breaking high of 1 exaFLOPS this weekend. When you're talking about FLOPS, you're really talking about the number of Floating-point Operations a computer can do Per Second, or more simply, how fast it can tear through math problems. It's a pretty common standard for measuring computer power. An exaFLOPS is 1018, or 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 math problems per second. The most powerful supercomputer in the world, Sequoia, can manage a mere 16 petaFLOPS, or just 1.6 percent of the power geeks around the world have brought to bear on mining Bitcoin. The world's top 10 supercomputers can muster 5 percent of that total, and even the top 500 can only muster a mere 12.8 percent.

And that 1 exaFLOPS number is probably a little low. Because Bitcoin miners actually do a simpler kind of math (integer operations), you have to do a little (messy) conversion to get to FLOPS. And because the new ASIC miners—machines that are built from scratch to do nothing but mine Bitcoins—can't even do other kinds of operations, they're left out of the total entirely. So what we've got here is a representation of the total power spent on Bitcoin mining that could theoretically be spent on something else, like real problems that exist naturally.
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Because of the way Bitcoin self-regulates, the math problems Bitcoin mining rigs have to do to get more 'coin get harder and harder as time goes on. Not to any particular end, but just to make sure the world doesn't get flooded with Bitcoins. So all these computers aren't really accomplishing anything other than solving super difficult and necessarily arbitrary puzzles for cyber money. It's kind of like rounding up the world's greatest minds and making them do Sudokus for nickels.

Projects like [email protected] and [email protected] use similarly networked power for the less-pointless practices of parsing information that could lead to more effective medicines or finding extra-terrestrial life, respectively, and either are hard-pressed to scrounge up even half of a percent of the power the Bitcoin network is rocking. And with specialized Bitcoin-mining hardware on the rise, there's going to be an army of totally powerhouse PCs out there that are good for literally nothing but digging up cybercoins.
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Seems like this, will probably end in a similar fashion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:58 PM   #578
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u.s. court order sent to dwolla to cease transactions to mt gox dwolla has caused a bit of a blip in BTC/USD this afternoon

personally i don't see what the big deal is, as there are multiple ways of moving money around; dwolla isn't the only one.
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:40 PM   #579
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Ahh Gizmodo, the retards of journalism.

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And that 1 exaFLOPS number is probably a little low. Because Bitcoin miners actually do a simpler kind of math (integer operations), you have to do a little (messy) conversion to get to FLOPS
Translation: We wanted to be outraged by something and write pretty words on the internet, so we made up a nonsensical conversion from integer math to floating point so we could make things sound scary.

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So what we've got here is a representation of the total power spent on Bitcoin mining that could theoretically be spent on something else, like real problems that exist naturally.
Real problems like providing security for a billion dollar electronic currency.

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No, it's like using math to solve financial problems. Black and Scholes created formulas for options pricing, on which a lot more world computing power spends its time than Bitcoin.

The internets are full of idiots.
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Amazon launched its first digital currency today with a giveaway: 500 free Amazon Coins for every Kindle Fire customer. The coins, which are worth $5, can buy games, apps, and in-app purchases.

Kindle Fire customers who wish to buy apps or make in-app purchases can purchase Amazon Coins at a rate of 100 for every $1, but they can also get up to a 10 percent discount. Buying 10,000 coins earns you the full discount, and will cost Amazon customers $90.

One caveat: Amazon Coins are only available in the U.S. right now.
“Today is Day One for Coins,” Amazon VP of apps and games Mike George said in a statement. “We will continue to add more ways to earn and spend Coins on a wider range of content and activities.”

Amazon announced the virtual currency back in February, when the company also said it would give away tens of millions of dollars worth of free Coins to customers. That’s a hint about the number of Kindle Fires sold — 10 million Kindle Fires would account for $50 million in free coins — as Amazon has never given device sales figures.

Virtual currencies can be useful for gift purposes, for children’s allowances, and for, perhaps, making it easer for customers to spend actual money since they may feel they are only spending virtual money. However, it is another layer of complexity, both for people and for the company issuing the currency, and mobile competitors Apple and Google have not released virtual currencies.

One of Amazon’s biggest goals is expanding the sale of digital content.
A full 12 of the 15 business highlights the company chose to include in its first-quarter 2013 annual earnings release were digital-content related. And that’s what Amazon Coins is all about: increasing the sale of virtual goods, which don’t have to be warehoused, packaged, mailed, and delivered.

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“We are giving Kindle Fire owners $5 worth of Coins to spend on new apps and games, or to purchase in-app items, such as recipes in iCookbook, song collections in SongPop or mighty falcon bundles in Angry Birds: Star Wars.”
One important point for developers: They’ll receive their full 70 percent revenue share when customers buy items with Amazon Coins, even if the users earned a 10 percent discount on their initial coin purchase.
*waits for walmart digital coins* ...wait they already have that, they're called EBT cards
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I understand why a casino would want to obfuscate the transaction by using proxy currency (insert paper ticket to slot machine), but is this so they can give away money without actually giving away money?

So instead of a coupon for a book/app/movie/etc, they give you amazon coins?

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maybe there is a tax reason behind all of this.

the man trying to find a loop hole

In any case, these "coins" are like what other companies already have had.
"flight miles", "points per purchase $", etc. On all of those you can buy extra points/miles, etc, ad then use to redeem stuff or services.

CN: Nothing new here. Its just another points based system, but with a shinier name.
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:25 PM   #583
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maybe there is a tax reason behind all of this.

the man trying to find a loop hole

In any case, these "coins" are like what other companies already have had.
"flight miles", "points per purchase $", etc. On all of those you can buy extra points/miles, etc, ad then use to redeem stuff or services.

CN: Nothing new here. Its just another points based system, but with a shinier name.
There is a hardware/automotive chain in Canada called Canadian Tire that has used it's own "currency" for decades. You get something like 1% back in Canadian Tire money on every purchase. There are a few other stores around that have signs saying "We accept Canadian Tire money" so it is effectively a real currency is some towns.
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The US Department of Homeland Security seized a payment processing account Tuesday belonging to Mt. Gox, the largest international Bitcoin trader, claiming the monetary exchange service falsified financial documents.

The American government has previously made it clear that officials are watching Bitcoin, a decentralized economic currency that international regulators have not yet been able to control. Many of those who favor Bitcoin use Dwolla, an Iowa-based startup that allows customers to transfer their dollars into Bitcoins.
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Here's what I don't get about the Dwolla thing.

A lot of people like BTC for the anonymity. I would imagine that those same people don't want to ever pay taxes to the US government on their gains in BTC (whether taxed as a commodity or a currency, whichever the government decides to label BTC as). So, why the hell would people ever use Dwolla to get money into or out of BTC exchanges? Dwolla needs your name, address, phone number, and SSN for god's sake. So if step 1 was lock down gox's Dwolla account, doesn't anyone think the next step could be the government requesting a list of transactions to and from that same account? And then they would just trace this back to individuals and have record of moving money into a BTC exchange, and now you are under tax audit for any gains?

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I just love how this rustles the jimmies of the financial status quo.
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My brother and I have been working on a documentary for about a year now and we just released our working trailer at the Bitcoin 2013 conference. Enjoy!


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so, i figured i would put one of my machines doing this. still trying to research and what not but figured the OT collective would know all

but so far i downloaded and installed Bitcoin-Qt wallet and its all up todate (and i assume running)
is there better programs to use? any nasioc pools to join? should i just turn it off and not bother?
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yea i realized that i am not going to be building any of these machines. nor would my wife like the look of that **** in my office either. wonder how much heat that puts off
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I just love how this rustles the jimmies of the financial status quo.
Despite the shortcomings of the "financial status quo", they do keep things pretty goddamn safe and stable for just about everyone. I don't think you'd like the world we'd live in if we essentially had financial anarchy, which seems to sort of be what you're wishing for.
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so, i figured i would put one of my machines doing this. still trying to research and what not but figured the OT collective would know all

but so far i downloaded and installed Bitcoin-Qt wallet and its all up todate (and i assume running)
is there better programs to use? any nasioc pools to join? should i just turn it off and not bother?
I spent some time researching this last week, and in a nutshell, you first need to find out if mining is actually profitable for you. Typically, mining rigs use AMD GPU's * (NVIDIA's suck at hashrates to power consumed ratio). Find out the hash rate of your GPU, and the power consumption of your entire rig, and your electricity rate - then plug those data in the calculator to see if you'll actually get your money back. (In my case, my electricity rate of is too high to make this worthwhile.)

http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=9430.0


*FPGA's and ASIC's provide much better hashrate to power consumption ratios than GPU's, but those devices are hard to get and can only do mining. At least GPU's can be used for other purposes
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yea, so according to that (and if i filled it in right) it doesn't look that bad of a return.
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yea, so according to that (and if i filled it in right) it doesn't look that bad of a return.
Might want to factor this into your calculated returns.

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The world’s financial system ought to stop criminals from dealing drugs, funding terrorism, and skipping out on taxes. But somehow, all those things keep happening.

The Wall Street Journal reports one place that won’t happen anymore is Liberty Reserve — the provider of anonymous virtual money transfer services “virtually all” of whose $6 billion worth of transfers in 55 million transactions by a million users were done to launder illegal activities, according to Manhattan U.S. attorney, Preet Bharara.

The Treasury Department set a precedent in using the 2001 Patriot Act against a virtual currency to sever the link between Liberty Reserve and the U.S. financial system.

And the list of criminals allegedly aided by Costa Rica-based Liberty Reserve is broad. According to the indictment, it includes “traffickers of stolen credit card data and personal identity information; peddlers of various types of online Ponzi and get-rich-quick schemes; computer hackers for hire; unregulated gambling enterprises; and underground drug-dealing Web sites.”

And at least one of the eight alleged participants used Liberty Reserve to launder some of his ill-gotten gains from the scheme to steal $45 million from New York City ATM machines using prepaid debit-card numbers, according to the Journal.

Liberty Reserve’s system for converting illegal profits into funds available through the legal part of the financial system was complex. According to the Journal, prosecutors allege that Liberty Reserve allowed criminals to conduct illegal transactions through a digital currency called LR.

Criminals would open an account using a false name and address without even trying to appear legitimate — prosecutors gave examples of “criminal monikers such as Russia Hackers or Hacker Account,” reports the Journal.

The Liberty Reserve account holder would then wire, say, dollars to “approved third-party currency exchangers” based in places like Malaysia, Russia, Nigeria and Vietnam, according to the New York Times, that would convert the dollars into LRs and deposit them in his account.

He could then, say, buy stolen credit-card numbers by transferring the LRs to the seller’s Liberty Reserve account and the seller could use an approved third party currency exchanger to convert the LRs back into dollars.

In exchange, Liberty Reserve charged customers a 1% fee for LR currency transfers and a “privacy fee” of 75 cents per transaction to hide Liberty Reserve account numbers, according to the Journal.

Will prosecutors move on to shutting down Bitcoin (BTC)? After all the parallels between BTC and LR are strong — both are virtual currencies that use an exchange to convert legitimate currencies into electronic ones.

Patrick Murck, legal counsel for the Bitcoin Foundation, wants to avoid that comparison. As he told the Journal, “I think [the Liberty Reserve indictment] is just another giant, flashing warning light to bitcoin exchanges: If you’re not compliant, there are some serious risks, both at the federal and state levels.”

At this point, there is no evidence of Bitcoin being used for nefarious purposes that’s as strong as what Bharara claims to have on Liberty Reserve. On May 28, he said that prosecutors had seized $25 million in 45 bank accounts around the world — with “more to come.”

Federal authorities did go after a part of the Bitcoin infrastructure earlier in May. They seized accounts of Mutum Sigillum, an intermediary of Mt. Gox — the Tokyo-based Bitcoin exchange that controls 80% of the market. Mutum Sigillum accounts were seized because it had not “properly registered as a money transmitter with the Treasury Department,” according to Bits.

In March, the Treasury Department’s anti-money laundering unit, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) labeled digital currency firms as money transmitters — requiring them to fight money laundering and register with FinCEN, according to Reuters.

Unlike LR, however, it is theoretically possible, but difficult, to identify who is behind each Bitcoin transaction. That’s because each Bitcoin transaction is recorded in a public ledger called a block chain that makes it hard to create counterfeit Bitcoins and to track thieves. Researchers used the block chain to trace the spending of 25,000 stolen Bitcoins in 2011, according to Bits.

But the ability to identify who is buying and selling Bitcoins depends on whether intermediaries collect information about their users. After all, once users buy Bitcoins their transactions with other Bitcoin users – like LR deals – can be “unregulated and practically untraceable,” according to Wonkblog.

Efforts are underway to make transactions among Bitcoin holders just as anonymous as Liberty Reserve ones. Services with that intent include Bitlaundry and Bitcoinlaundry.

And then there’s Zerocoin, a Bitcoin add-on from a group of Johns Hopkins University crytpographers that could make Bitcoin transactions impossible to trace, if all Bitcoiners use it, reports Bits.

In the meantime, it would not shock me if people who can access their Liberty Reserve accounts may be scrambling to buy Bitcoin.

And federal prosecutors may be looking for ways to shut down Bitcoin exchanges or intermediaries that let criminals open fake accounts to trade, say, dollars for Bitcoin.

Under the law that prosecutors applied to shutter Liberty Reserve, it looks like they could close Bitcoin if the bridges that connect the U.S. financial system to its virtual one do not comply with FinCEN regulations or violate the Patriot Act.

Perhaps a law could be passed that would make it illegal to conduct anonymous transactions using virtual currency. Of course, by that logic, it would be illegal to buy gasoline by handing the attendant four $20 bills.

In the meantime, it would not shock me if shuttering Mutum Sigillum is the first of many government efforts to wipe out Bitcoin. Watch out Winkelvii!
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yea, so according to that (and if i filled it in right) it doesn't look that bad of a return.
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That's assuming your entire PC/rig only eats up 100W. When I did my calculation, I entered 280W for a single 7970 but I haven't factored in consumption of the CPU, SSD, HDD, fans, etc.

Also, etothen's post above.
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That's assuming your entire PC/rig only eats up 100W. When I did my calculation, I entered 280W for a single 7970 but I haven't factored in consumption of the CPU, SSD, HDD, fans, etc.

Also, etothen's post above.
correct, my power rating per kw is also lower as i am on solar. but still interesting to see.
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paranoid56, if you are interested in mining an alternate crypto (such as LTC) I could help you out getting started.. my cluster has been running smooth for around a month now, and I can suggest a great pool with a middle-of-the-US based server that has small fees compared to other PPLNS pools.

im assuming you have an AMD GPU as you typed in 460 MH/s ?

i can also help you do it with just BTC if you don't want to learn about scrypt currencies or LTC... but you'll have to change more numbers and values around for BTC stuff; that, and I don't have any good suggestions regarding BTC pools from personal experience.
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Awesome trailer Dmross!
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So BTC mining/trading experts, if I invested $200,000 in BTC would I be better off mining or speculating? So far seems exchanges and speculation are the best moneymakers.

I wonder how profitable mining would be if you paid all your taxes? (Factored that in?)
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Somewhere along the Lawrence Expressway in San Jose, California...

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