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02-14-2010, 03:35 PM | #251 |
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02-14-2010, 05:22 PM | #252 |
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02-14-2010, 05:31 PM | #253 |
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Its funny how everyone equates that it has to save a fraction of a second to be a legitimate point about a street driven suspension. That's not the point. The original post was a simple point about the benefits of a properly designed suspension. The point WAS NOT that everyone should buy $3k coilovers. For the price of the cheaper coilovers, a nice spring/shock combo can be had to give the same performance and more travel.
Many in here are still just closed minded and only bringing up arguments that make them feel better about what they bought. |
02-14-2010, 05:34 PM | #254 | |
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02-14-2010, 06:31 PM | #255 |
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No, you don't get the point. If you did we wouldn't be having this discussion.
BTW Didn't realize to use one's brain was still considered something bad. You must be right out of highschool huh? |
02-14-2010, 06:40 PM | #256 |
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02-14-2010, 06:43 PM | #257 |
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Truth!
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02-14-2010, 07:38 PM | #258 | |
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Even on a race car stiff is not always good. You guys should have seen all the cars at Englishtown this past year at the redline time attack. The stiff suspended cars (on really expensive "good" setups and cheap setups) that had little travel were litterally bouncing across the track in a couple of the turns. Just pointing out that even on race cars, some travel is still good. Tony |
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02-14-2010, 07:44 PM | #259 |
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What I have learned.
1. Nothing about suspensions. 2. Opinions are like ********, everyone has one. |
02-14-2010, 07:45 PM | #260 | |
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And no im in middle school. I am such an awesome driver that TN gave me my license early. I could have got it a year earlier but they said I needed more droop. |
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02-14-2010, 07:51 PM | #261 |
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Does anyone know what the travel range of a stock STI strut is? It would be interesting to compare the travel of BC.
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02-14-2010, 07:52 PM | #262 | |
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Proving my point as well. You're doing a great job of it! |
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02-14-2010, 07:55 PM | #263 |
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02-14-2010, 08:02 PM | #264 |
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read the material presented and read up on suspension. You'll figure it out, but you gotta apply yourself. It's that using the brain part that throws many people off
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02-14-2010, 09:01 PM | #265 |
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It's not about figuring it out, it's about is the expensive stuff really worth it. We all GET how droop is beneficial, especially on rough surfaces like englishtown and potholed streets. It's the elitist tone that turn discussions like this into crap. This whole crapstorm started when you had to post your opinion of BC coilovers. Sure your coilovers may be better than mine. But at the end of the day, does it warrant the expense? How much prize money have you won on your droop a doop suspension. Let me answer that, same as the rest of us racing classes less than F1, zero. It's fine if you want to make posts explaining suspension, just don't belittle others for their choices which are probably made by factoring budget first and performance second.
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02-14-2010, 09:08 PM | #266 | |
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Again, we're not trying to say that you have to spend more money (though I can see how the side-discussion in this thread about how much you'd have to spend if you wanted COs would muddy the waters), we're trying to say that, regardless of how much you're going to spend, you should get the best for your money that you can. |
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02-14-2010, 09:44 PM | #267 |
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what do you have for less than a grand? All the spring and strut combos I looked at first were well over a grand and could not be valved for the spring rates I wanted
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02-14-2010, 10:05 PM | #268 |
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I spent $605 on my D-Specs and STi springs, got the rates and damping I wanted. I spent another $300 on camber plates. Came out to basically the same cost as cheap crap coilovers only with better quality and performance.
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02-14-2010, 11:10 PM | #269 |
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02-14-2010, 11:12 PM | #270 |
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02-14-2010, 11:27 PM | #271 |
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yeah, um we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. you can go ahead and ease up on the crap comments too until you've driven my setup.
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02-14-2010, 11:28 PM | #272 |
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02-14-2010, 11:28 PM | #273 | |
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You guys keep thinking I'm speaking just from theory. You keep forgetting I've ridden on just about everything and helped more people build suspensions than most shops have. |
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02-14-2010, 11:45 PM | #274 |
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element bc 10k/10k
18 clicks from soft f 18 r iirc whiteline sways whiteline bjes 3300 lbs w/ driver 2.75 camber f 2 camber r Do you need tire pyrometer test results or are ya good? they're in my car, but it's cold outside |
02-15-2010, 12:00 AM | #275 | |
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So, anyway, in a direct apples-to-apples comparison on Bridgestone Potenza RE-01Rs, my setup was substantially more capable. Specifically, the BCs were significantly easier to upset mid-corner by bumps, divots, or changes in surface condition. There were many corners on my 50mi "shakedown" circuit where I couldn't brake as deep or carry as much speed into the corners because the BCs were causing the chassis to become upset and lose adhesion to the road. |
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