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Old 01-08-2009, 03:22 PM   #126
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Please check your MKV files and report back to what bitrate these files were ripped at.
BlueRay 1080p DTS x264 dxva-

Audio Codec DTS: Audio bitrate 1536 kbit/sec
Video bitrate avg: 11mbit


I took that out of the .info file...not sure how to tell you what it really is.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:24 PM   #127
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Thank dude, technology really does runaway from you the second you turn your head, damn.
a popcorn hour will play them avi's so you can play bigass mkv's on yore TV
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:25 PM   #128
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BlueRay 1080p DTS x264 dxva-

Audio Codec DTS: Audio bitrate 1536 kbit/sec
Video bitrate avg: 11mbit


I took that out of the .info file...not sure how to tell you what it really is.
So, the video bitrate is about a third of the average Blu-Ray. Makes sense.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:27 PM   #129
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At 4.8mbps, you can't expect a whole lot of quality even with it being mpeg4 encapsulated with a mpeg2 transport stream (AVC). It will be no where near
true blu-ray quality.

Most satellite streaming Hd (AVC or mp4) is somewhere around 6 - 10 mbps and is compressed beyond the standard mp4 compression used. Cable streaming HD is going to be encoded around 12 - 20 mbps but that is almost always mpg2. There are advantages to the different compression algorithms used for mpg2 versus mp4 and then the other way. But even mpg2 HD at 20 mbps does not look close to blu-ray as I see it all the time all over the country.

It has been said many times...but do not expect any streaming media (downloaded media) to rival the video quality you get from blu-ray anytime soon. The streaming bitrate or file sizes to equal blu-ray will be huge.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:28 PM   #130
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here's three more pictures (i took a while back) showing the quality of the 4gig 720p rip of Taken






2 days later after taking those pics I returned the sony receiver for the onkyo 606.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:30 PM   #131
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So, the video bitrate is about a third of the average Blu-Ray. Makes sense.
Isn't that the point of encoding it with h264? Doesn't necessarily mean it loses quality...or does it?

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Old 01-08-2009, 03:30 PM   #132
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At 4.8mbps, you can't expect a whole lot of quality even with it being mpeg4 encapsulated with a mpeg2 transport stream (AVC). It will be no where near
true blu-ray quality.

Most satellite streaming Hd (AVC or mp4) is somewhere around 6 - 10 mbps and is compressed beyond the standard mp4 compression used. Cable streaming HD is going to be encoded around 12 - 20 mbps but that is almost always mpg2. There are advantages to the different compression algorithms used for mpg2 versus mp4 and then the other way. But even mpg2 HD at 20 mbps does not look close to blu-ray as I see it all the time all over the country.

It has been said many times...but do not expect any streaming media (downloaded media) to rival the video quality you get from blu-ray anytime soon. The streaming bitrate or file sizes to equal blu-ray will be huge.
...dude, i know what you're saying BUT YOU HAVE TO see the picture quality of my Taken bootleg...it's really, really close to blu-ray IMO...let's compare a very ****ty transfer of a blu-ray movie to this taken bootleg and you'll get a good idea

and DO NOT THINK i'm with the 'streaming' group because I believe in physical movies so chill out, homes.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:34 PM   #133
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I downloaded a 4gig file of Taken x264 720p (it's the one showned on my picture I posted earlier in this thread) and it had to be the a very high bitrate because it looks 5x better than a regular DVD (but OBVIOUSLY not as good as a 25gig blu-ray)

EDIT: i just went ahead and took a screenshot for the info on the torrent Taken 720p blu-ray rip (the blu-ray has been released in France but its' region locked so this is why i haven't ordered it)


1280X544 @ 4800KBPS and DTS 5.1 audio is a far, far cry from full 1920x1080 video @ 24Mbps (24576 kbps) and lossless TrueHD audio (DTS 5.1 is a lossy format).
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:34 PM   #134
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it's an .mkv file which many 'mkv players' out there can play on y0re PC

.mkv is a 'masked' .avi file! there's also a program out there (can't remember the name at the moment) that will re-file the .mkv file as an .avi IN WHICH a dvd divx player can play...BUT I did find out that my cheapo Memorex Blu-ray is able to play ANY SINGLE file format out there EXXXXXXXXCEPT for .mkvs!

so i extracted the .avi off that .mkv taken file and burned it as a 'Data DVD', put the burnt dvd disc into my memorex blu-ray player and it played it BEAUTIFULLY. It really did look like I was watching a blu-ray movie

(I also did the exact same thing with a 12gig 720p rip of Pulp Fiction and it looked EVEN better than the taken one ...obviously because it wasn't as compressed as much as the 4 gig 720 rip of taken)
I'd be interested to see that and would like to compare to the same content via a blu-ray disk. There are certain things I look for on the video though since I am used to picking apart (seeing) where video degrades.

The jpg you posted, it does say that the video bitrate is 4.8mbps, I am curious to see what the streaming bitrate would be with the advanced audio PIDs.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:35 PM   #135
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Chris, on that Onkyo receiver.. It says it upconvertes to 1080i. Is that an absolute, or are there ways around that, such as letting your bluray player upscale? Or is it smart enough to recognize when inputs are already at or above 1080i?
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:37 PM   #136
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...dude, i know what you're saying BUT YOU HAVE TO see the picture quality of my Taken bootleg...it's really, really close to blu-ray IMO...let's compare a very ****ty transfer of a blu-ray movie to this taken bootleg and you'll get a good idea

and DO NOT THINK i'm with the 'streaming' group because I believe in physical movies so chill out, homes.
nah, no offense intended...just sharing what is out there in the industry right now. I actually am very interested to see it.
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Chris, on that Onkyo receiver.. It says it upconvertes to 1080i. Is that an absolute, or are there ways around that, such as letting your bluray player upscale? Or is it smart enough to recognize when inputs are already at or above 1080i?
It doesn't do anything to hdmi signals. A 1080p blu ray signal is left untouched.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:39 PM   #138
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Chris, on that Onkyo receiver.. It says it upconvertes to 1080i. Is that an absolute, or are there ways around that, such as letting your bluray player upscale? Or is it smart enough to recognize when inputs are already at or above 1080i?
I really don't know much about the Onkyos' upscaling abilities because I always let the players do it for me.
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I really don't know much about the Onkyos' upscaling abilities because I always let the players do it for me.
It blows goats. Thats all you need to know.

Srsly, its best turned off and left off.
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1280X544 @ 4800KBPS and DTS 5.1 audio is a far, far cry from full 1920x1080 video @ 24Mbps (24576 kbps) and lossless TrueHD audio (DTS 5.1 is a lossy format).
You're right. I was just bragging how amazing .mkv x264 720p rips were

Please download one of them (just search for x264 720p on mininova or piratebay) and see for yourself
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...dude, i know what you're saying BUT YOU HAVE TO see the picture quality of my Taken bootleg...it's really, really close to blu-ray IMO...let's compare a very ****ty transfer of a blu-ray movie to this taken bootleg and you'll get a good idea

and DO NOT THINK i'm with the 'streaming' group because I believe in physical movies so chill out, homes.
It's only because you can't A/B screen it crees. All coded videos give up a lot, but we consciously are ok with the lower quality.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:42 PM   #142
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You're right. I was just bragging how amazing .mkv x264 720p rips were

Please download one of them (just search for x264 720p on mininova or piratebay) and see for yourself
chrees, I'm wit joo. Hell, I have no problem with good mpeg4 conversions of DVD. I'm getting ready to backup all of my DVD's to a media tank for viewing myself.

All I'm saying is that blu ray is still miles ahead of even a well-done 720p blu ray/hd-dvd rip.
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Old 01-08-2009, 03:54 PM   #144
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I'm going to have to download the Spiderman 3 BR rip. It's the only BR I have to compare to. So far I'm really happy with the downloaded stuff I've gotten.
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chrees, I'm wit joo. Hell, I have no problem with good mpeg4 conversions of DVD. I'm getting ready to backup all of my DVD's to a media tank for viewing myself.

All I'm saying is that blu ray is still miles ahead of even a well-done 720p blu ray/hd-dvd rip.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:12 PM   #146
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To all those who say 'upscaled DVD picture quality is practically as good as real HD movies'

....please just stop w it. Just say youre happy to *settle* for that picture quality and leave it at that.
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Any links to the software that'll convert the .mkvs to .avi?
I usually avoid .mkvs for this reason.
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Old 01-08-2009, 05:33 PM   #148
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just hold out. What ever comes out in 25 years will be WAY better than what we have today.
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it's kinda of sad that now that I have a Blu-ray player i do not feel that i ever need to go to a movie theater, better sound quality, no douche talking in the row behind me, no sticky floor, and if I need something to eat or drink or to take a leak i don't have to miss any of the movie.

I'd rather buy a bad movie on Blu-ray then pay to see a bad movie in the theater, then at least I can sell the movie and recoup some of my loss.
I'm with you, plus the cost of me and a date is getting damn close to a bluray disc on sale.
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Any links to the software that'll convert the .mkvs to .avi?
I usually avoid .mkvs for this reason.
I just remember i used AllToAvi for my .mkv to .avi files!
http://alltoavi.sourceforge.net/

i haven't done any reseach if it's macOS X compatible...

google on the mac forums.
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