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02-12-2007, 12:04 PM | #1 |
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ESP - The competition
So I was reading the BSP Competition thread and decided that us 2.0L need our own for ESP.
How do you think the 2L will hold up in ESP against the Cobras, mustangs, ss cameros, DSMs, etc? Now that boost isn't regulated in SP, items such as the UTEC are legal and really help out for horsepower, but even modded out to the extent of the rules the WRX is still down compared to the SS Camero (325 stock from the factory). AWD can help but on dry pavement with stickies, I see little benefit. I'm planning on running in the divisional series and might make a stop at a national tour or two. I've got about 5 years of auto-x experience but only 1 in the wrx and it was all in D-Stock where it was not competitive on the divisional level against the ACR SRT-4. What do you guys think? What should I be on the lookout for when looking at the other guys in my class? |
02-12-2007, 12:13 PM | #2 |
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Fender flares. Wider wheels. Big rubber. No cats. Suspension. Lighten the car up as much as possible, seats, etc...
Then, drop a 2.5L in the '02/'03 WRX (greatest weight savings), then.... UTEC or some tune similar. 100 octane. Water injection. If I still had my wagon, that's what I'd do. If I had about $20K to buy a used WRX (preferrably with a salvage title... dirt cheap) and then do what needed to be done, it'd be a national contender. Who knows, some day I just might be back, if I can find some $$ somehow. --kC |
08-08-2007, 07:58 PM | #3 |
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Bringing the thread back from the dead...
So, it seems to be easier to find rolled/totalled/trashed STi's than it is 06 WRX's. Is the engine (minus the obvious turbo difference) in the 06 WRX the same as the STi just with the TD04? In otherwords, can I take an STi engine from an 04, swap the turbo to the TD04, and be up/bd legal? |
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Are you sure about that? Every thread I've read on this has noted that the longblock is different, but the shortblock is the same on all the 2.5L turbo models.
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08-11-2007, 05:54 PM | #6 | |
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02-12-2007, 01:12 PM | #7 |
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I think the question in everyone's mind is what's going to come of a re-organized SP in the next year or so. Little birdy told me don't spend your money on a WRX ESP build because it will be wasted. Our resident SPAC member might be able to chime in on that.
I too think it could be a national contender in ESP, I'm just not ready to throw the bucks at it and do the irreversable mods like the fender flares. |
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Pete's been doing fairly well locally. He's our '06 CSCC ESP Champ. He did beat Christine Berry a while back while she drove the Eguina ESP Camaro that her dad Tom co-drove at '06 Nationals. Pete's now on 275 710's. We were looking for an interesting show down with Michael Eguina yesterday, driving the same max'ed out ESP Camaro, but our event got cancelled because of rain(!). Christine is our PAX Ladies '06 CSCC Champ with that Camaro, and Tom is our Open Pax Champ (now driving the BSP Evo).
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what suspensiona/tire/wheel combo is on this?
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(My next setup will be this spring rate combo, currently 8K Fr. 10K Rr) - Kumho 710's 275-40-17 - Enkei RPF1's 17 x 8. The tires are a bit bulgy sidewall wise but just fine. Thanks[/quote] |
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good to see others thinking....
Let me help out here.. Cars that are in ESP: Street Prepared Class E AMC AMX & Javelin (all) Audi 5000 Turbo & 5000 Turbo Quattro & 200 & 200 Quattro A8 & A8 Quattro V8 Quattro BMW 2500 & 2800 (all) 3.OS & CS (all) 528 & 530 & 533 (all) 633i & 733i (all) Chevrolet/Pontiac/Buick/Oldsmobile Camaro/Firebird ('67-'70) Camaro/Firebird, all ('70***189;-'81) Camaro/Firebird & Firehawk, NOC ('82-'92) (3rd gen) Camaro/Firebird & SS & Firehawk & WS6, NOC ('93- '02) (4th gen) Chevelle ('64-'67) Chevelle ('68-'72) Corvair Yenko Stage I, II, III (all) Lumina Monza V8 & Skyhawk V6 Reatta Regal V6 & V8 RWD ('80-'88) Starfire V6 & Sunbird V6 (all) Trans Am Turbo ('82-'92) GTO 04-07 Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth Barracuda (***8216;65-'69)/Dart/ Valiant/Duster (***8216;63-'76) [Abody] Barracuda & Challenger (***8216;70 - 74) [E-body] Challenger 6-cyl & V8 (NOC) Conquest Turbo Laser all turbo (***8216;89-'99) Stealth non-turbo Dodge Dakota (***8216;97-'04) Dodge / Mitsubishi / Eagle Colt / Mirage (***8216;84-'88) Colt / Mirage / Summit (***8216;89- '92) Colt / Mirage / Summit (***8216;93- '96) Mirage (***8216;97-'02) Eagle Talon all turbo (***8216;89-'99) Ferrari 400 America (all) 500 Superfast (all) Ford/Mercury Capri Turbo 4 Cougar ('65-'70) Cougar ('71-'74) Mustang ('64-1/2-'66) Mustang & Cougar (***8216;67-'68) Mustang & Cougar ('69-'70) Mustang & Cougar ('71-'73) Mustang II, all ('74-'78) Mustang & SVO & Cobra R, V6 & V8 ('79-'93) Mustang (***8216;94-'04) all NOC including Cobra, Cobra R(SN95) Mustang (***8216;05+) (S197) Taurus SHO Thunderbird & Cougar, all (***8216;83-'88) Thunderbird & Cougar, all ('89-'97) Infiniti G35 M30 Q45 Jaguar XJS (all) Sedans, 6 & 12-cyl. XK 120 & 140 &150 &160 Lexus 250 400 Mazda 929 MazdaSpeed 6 Mercedes 230SL & 250SL & 280SL (all) 350SL & 380SL & 450SL (all) 173 220 & 230 & 250 & 280 Sedans (all) 280 4.5 Sedans & 300 6.3 Sedans (all) Mitsubishi Eclipse all turbo (***8216;89-'99) Starion Turbo 3000 GT non-Turbo Nissan 300ZX non-turbo ('84-'89) 300ZX non-turbo ('90+) Peugeot 405 Saab SPG (16V & Turbo) Saleen Mustang 302 & 351 nonsupercharged ('84-'93) Shelby GT350 ('65-'66) GT350, GT500 ('67+) Subaru Forester 2.5XT Legacy 2.5GT(***8216;05+) WRX Toyota Supra non-turbo ('87-'92) Supra non-turbo ('93+) Supra Turbo (pre-'87) Supra Turbo ('87-92) Volvo 700 Series (all) 800 Series (all) S60 & V70 All American inline 6, V6 and V8 sedans and pick-ups not otherwise classified. Other sedans over 3.0L not otherwise classified. (See Section 15.1.C for update/backdate limitations.) |
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interesting note.....a ESP G35 isnt' the same as BSP Z?????
especially with the track pack...is there significant weight difference between the 2??? ESP in our region has heated up this year...new blood...we have 5 WRX's in ESP trim at our locals....the lone GTO, Mustang, Camaro drivers Swooon over if any of those guys have r compounds....and...let out a sigh of relief when all them are on street tires........ but couple of the ESP WRX's are starting to figure out that once they get 'R's they are completly competive.. Bill |
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Cars that COULD Make noise in ESP if Prepped right
Audi Quattro BMW 528 Chevy Camaro Ford Mustang/Cobra Pontiac GTO Mitsu Eclipe AWD/Turbo Mazdaspeed 6.... Saab....Swedish iron baby.. Subaru...All That Forester is my hero....my that looks awesome.. Bill |
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I'll let you know how close I can get to Strano at our next event in my mid-prepped 06 WRX with 275 notReallyMadeForAutocrossRcomps
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I'm over a second slower on most days. I didn't realize I was loosing tires so that could be a consideration. I used jbracingtires and have some Hoosiers on the way so that should help some. |
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He hasn't been to any Philly region events yet, and I haven't been anywhere else yet this season.
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You guys cancel events for rain? You got to be kidding me. Please tell me there was really bad lightning.
That car in the picture doesn't look like a very serious ESP effort. I know how fast KC's STX WRX was, and I know how fast the DSM at nats is when it's not eating turbos. On the new Nats surface, an ESP WRX would eat anything with a live axle. The power of the camaro is impressive, but the gearing is not. Once you compare the gearing of the WRX to that of the camarostangs you realize that the WRX has a lot going for it. Of course, with the new "best of breed" philosophy, one has to wait and see what the changes are going to mean to SP. IMO, anyone currently building a new car for SP is nuts. |
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That would be me in the pictured Forester. I am curious on what does not look so serious in the picture? I can go into detail of my 1.5 years worth of tuning and modding if need be. The biggest areas still stock(not serious) in my case are diffs and intake system, i.e. intercooler and TGV's and the like. I have a gutted R160 waiting for a cusco diff., just not certain I want to spend the time or money to do all of the diffs. Do you think it would be stupid to just try out the rear diff upgrade without the center and front?? My biggest issues in putting down power is just that, I spin both inside wheels mid corner when trying to power out of the corners, mainly on tightish med. speed type corners. LFBing has helped, just started that about 2 months ago. Also, the wider rubber seems to help some too. Went from 245's to 275's just in the last month. Stupid rain this weekend messed up my suspension tuning plans. I am basically using the same formula of spring rates and sways and the like as other Nationally cometitve WRX's from our area. I am just not as high dollar in the damper department as they are. I am rolling on Megan Racing Track dampers in the rear, just added a week ago and Track versions in the front, 8K/10K F/R respectively. Looking to tryout 10/12 soon. This being my DD, those choices are tough, on my azz of course... |
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