Toyota GR Corolla: Automatic Transmission Set For 2024 Release Date

[Sid03SVT]

I wonder how much more power it would take to get the GR to power oversteer on dry pavement... I'm guessing quite a bit; that or a torque vectoring rear diff.

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[samagon]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

I wonder how much more power it would take to get the GR to power oversteer on dry pavement... I'm guessing quite a bit; that or a torque vectoring rear diff.

probably cheaper to toss some crappier tires on there.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

I wonder how much more power it would take to get the GR to power oversteer on dry pavement... I'm guessing quite a bit; that or a torque vectoring rear diff.

Sways and suspension setup will do it with more power. I think once the PR cars release for days of independent testing, ham fisting with a jerk of the wheel in the corners will do it too. They obviously made this GRY, to stick, grip, and get the lap times. And obviously like Booby, safety.

It’s what it is. We got two choices in this space. R and GRC. We need to be thankful we have a solid Japanese model. It could be zero in the segment altogether.

[Sid03SVT]

Originally Posted by Pre

Sways and suspension setup will do it with more power. I think once the PR cars release for days of independent testing, ham fisting with a jerk of the wheel in the corners will do it too. They obviously made this GRY, to stick, grip, and get the lap times. And obviously like Booby, safety.

It's what it is. We got two choices in this space. R and GRC. We need to be thankful we have a solid Japanese model. It could be zero in the segment altogether.

The good/bad news is that I was never going to get a first year car; I'm too picky, most dealers charging ADM, etc. etc.

That means at least a year of people tuning it and modifying it before I could get my hands on one, we know the GRY can make really good power on pump gas without kerploding, so I'd assume the GRC can as well.

Golf R is out, unless VW revises/removes the haptic controls; I'm certain the EA888 has a higher power ceiling than the G16E-GTS does, it has 25% more engine after all, an extra cylinder goes a long way, just ask an Audi enthusiast.

might just supercharge the IS for the time being....

[Pre]

I'm getting it out the way. It's a timing thing for me and I'm hitting a milestone birthday in my life where it's time to get it done as I have much bigger plans, relocation, a jet boat. Sold the RS in 2019 so it's been 3 years already. They pull a Supra 2nd model year change or 2009 WRX, then F it, I'm gonna be modding anyway.

The limits of the EA888 and the G16 are real similar. On the GRC the drivetrain and clutch will take the power right up to 500 whp where the head starts to lift which requires aftermarket HG and studs only. The R clutch will give out at 400 whp.

I wouldn't concern yourself with this particular car being a first model year. The drivetrain and engine are not new and in fact are well developed. Both were developed and built for WRC duty. + it's a Toyota.

My gut is production just won't be that long. Governments, so many things pushing ICE away. I'd rather side on caution on getting something. Imagine if they start pushing EV's even harder/sooner. It's musical chairs. I'd rather snag something, anything, compared to waiting and fighting everyone for the lasts.

[Pre]

DP. Fix your ****ing software already

[VarmintCong]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

I wonder how much more power it would take to get the GR to power oversteer on dry pavement... I'm guessing quite a bit; that or a torque vectoring rear diff.

Put all season tires on it. It's a Toyota thing.

[Sid03SVT]

Originally Posted by Pre

I'm getting it out the way. It's a timing thing for me and I'm hitting a milestone birthday in my life where it's time to get it done as I have much bigger plans, relocation, a jet boat. Sold the RS in 2019 so it's been 3 years already. They pull a Supra 2nd model year change or 2009 WRX, then F it, I'm gonna be modding anyway.

The limits of the EA888 and the G16 are real similar. On the GRC the drivetrain and clutch will take the power right up to 500 whp where the head starts to lift which requires aftermarket HG and studs only. The R clutch will give out at 400 whp.

I wouldn't concern yourself with this particular car being a first model year. The drivetrain and engine are not new and in fact are well developed. Both were developed and built for WRC duty. + it's a Toyota.

My gut is production just won't be that long. Governments, so many things pushing ICE away. I'd rather side on caution on getting something. Imagine if they start pushing EV's even harder/sooner. It's musical chairs. I'd rather snag something, anything, compared to waiting and fighting everyone for the lasts.

I have zero fears about buying a first year GRC, it's more an availability issue; I want a CE in red; there will only be ~1,500 CEs built in 2023, so maybe ~500 (or 375, can't recall if it's 3 or four color options for the CE) will be in the color I want, and I won't pay ADM; some of those are going to Canada too, so it shrinks the available pool of cars even further; it's the 6mt CTS-V wagon all over again.

As far as power goes between the two, ~400hp and the Golf R needs a clutch, but is still on the stock turbo, where the G16 runs out of turbo around ~320hp. In the end though it doesn't really matter, as ~500hp in either car will require similar upgrades. Toyota has built a stout 3 cylinder, I am just impressed by it.

One thing the Golf R can't do is lose ~220lbs, which is a huge advantage for the GRC in my book.

Originally Posted by VarmintCong

Put all season tires on it. It's a Toyota thing.

You're the second person to suggest that in this thread, I don't understand why anyone would intentionally make their car handle worse; crappy tires won't fix the FWD handling characteristics, that's going to require suspension work, at the very least a big bar in the rear & more camber up front (depending on what factory specs are, -2.0 is usually my limit on a macpherson strut setup on a street car).

Unless of course it was a reference to the FRS/86 coming with Prius tires.

[VarmintCong]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

I have zero fears about buying a first year GRC, it's more an availability issue; I want a CE in red; there will only be ~1,500 CEs built in 2023, so maybe ~500 (or 375, can't recall if it's 3 or four color options for the CE) will be in the color I want, and I won't pay ADM; some of those are going to Canada too, so it shrinks the available pool of cars even further; it's the 6mt CTS-V wagon all over again.

As far as power goes between the two, ~400hp and the Golf R needs a clutch, but is still on the stock turbo, where the G16 runs out of turbo around ~320hp. In the end though it doesn't really matter, as ~500hp in either car will require similar upgrades. Toyota has built a stout 3 cylinder, I am just impressed by it.

One thing the Golf R can't do is lose ~220lbs, which is a huge advantage for the GRC in my book.



You're the second person to suggest that in this thread, I don't understand why anyone would intentionally make their car handle worse; crappy tires won't fix the FWD handling characteristics, that's going to require suspension work, at the very least a big bar in the rear & more camber up front (depending on what factory specs are, -2.0 is usually my limit on a macpherson strut setup on a street car).

Unless of course it was a reference to the FRS/86 coming with Prius tires.

Yeah, it was the latter lol.

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

You're the second person to suggest that in this thread, I don't understand why anyone would intentionally make their car handle worse; crappy tires won't fix the FWD handling characteristics, that's going to require suspension work, at the very least a big bar in the rear & more camber up front (depending on what factory specs are, -2.0 is usually my limit on a macpherson strut setup on a street car).

Unless of course it was a reference to the FRS/86 coming with Prius tires.

tongue in cheek is how I meant it. which I presume anyone who looks at a car that is designed to go fast and says "I want to go full Jeremy Clarkson around this race track" they are either joking, or well, I have no idea what else. I don't have any possible way to understand their perspectives.

the best way, I would think though, to go full Clarkson, would be to set the clutchpack to fully engaged (which once you crack the software, I'm sure there's a way to do it) and remove the front driveshafts. boom, you now have a RWD car, and should be able to do a power oversteer, no problemo.

[heavyD]

As a person that had money down on one of these for a long time I'm now thinking the Civic Type R is going to be a better buy. It looks better inside and out and will perform better as well.

[Calamity Jesus]

Originally Posted by Pre

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[carsebuco]

Originally Posted by heavyD

As a person that had money down on one of these for a long time I'm now thinking the Civic Type R is going to be a better buy. It looks better inside and out and will perform better as well.

> MFW FWD

[Calamity Jesus]

^ This is what your brain looks like on Subaru.

The WRX gets its ass handed to it by a whole fleet of FWD cars now.. yet you still think FWD-based AWD makes cars handle better.

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

I have zero fears about buying a first year GRC, it's more an availability issue; I want a CE in red; there will only be ~1,500 CEs built in 2023, so maybe ~500 (or 375, can't recall if it's 3 or four color options for the CE) will be in the color I want, and I won't pay ADM; some of those are going to Canada too, so it shrinks the available pool of cars even further; it's the 6mt CTS-V wagon all over again.

As far as power goes between the two, ~400hp and the Golf R needs a clutch, but is still on the stock turbo, where the G16 runs out of turbo around ~320hp. In the end though it doesn't really matter, as ~500hp in either car will require similar upgrades. Toyota has built a stout 3 cylinder, I am just impressed by it.

One thing the Golf R can't do is lose ~220lbs, which is a huge advantage for the GRC in my book.



You're the second person to suggest that in this thread, I don't understand why anyone would intentionally make their car handle worse; crappy tires won't fix the FWD handling characteristics, that's going to require suspension work, at the very least a big bar in the rear & more camber up front (depending on what factory specs are, -2.0 is usually my limit on a macpherson strut setup on a street car).

Unless of course it was a reference to the FRS/86 coming with Prius tires.

Use that link with the spreadsheet I listed that shows dealers charging MSRP and email them. While I’m sure there is a list of customers waiting, you never know who or how many back out with rates continuing to rise and economic uncertainty.

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by carsebuco

> MFW FWD

Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus

^ This is what your brain looks like on Subaru.

The WRX gets its ass handed to it by a whole fleet of FWD cars now.. yet you still think FWD-based AWD makes cars handle better.

^^^ This. The civic type R is one hell of a car. I’d rather a GRC over type R but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Type R outperforms the GRC on a track. But I personally don’t buy vehicles based on track performance but street enjoyment.

Different strokes for different folks

[SubaDuba420]

Originally Posted by Calamity Jesus

.. yet you still think FWD-based AWD makes cars handle better.

Hey, look man, just cause it don't monsoon where you live.....

[ProZach626]

I can't get over the side profile and rear end. I keep trying to make myself like it, as the search for next year's new car continues. It's like the top of the hatch should have been extended another 8-12" instead of angling off and trying to turn the car into a triangle. It makes the side profile look weird, and the car looks like it has 'bitch hips.' The core needs to have a wing option to help complete the side profile a little, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

The WRX is ugly as hell, and GR Corolla looks like a hopped up chick car. I'm trying to figure out which one the Ford F-150 owners will laugh at more.

[carsebuco]

Originally Posted by ProZach626

I can't get over the side profile and rear end. I keep trying to make myself like it, as the search for next year's new car continues. It's like the top of the hatch should have been extended another 8-12" instead of angling off and trying to turn the car into a triangle. It makes the side profile look weird, and the car looks like it has 'bitch hips.' The core needs to have a wing option to help complete the side profile a little, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

The WRX is ugly as hell, and GR Corolla looks like a hopped up chick car. I'm trying to figure out which one the Ford F-150 owners will laugh at more.

You could have just said that. The moment you let a wife beater's opinion of your car bother you, it's the moment you've lost.

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by ProZach626

I can't get over the side profile and rear end. I keep trying to make myself like it, as the search for next year's new car continues. It's like the top of the hatch should have been extended another 8-12" instead of angling off and trying to turn the car into a triangle. It makes the side profile look weird, and the car looks like it has 'bitch hips.' The core needs to have a wing option to help complete the side profile a little, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

The WRX is ugly as hell, and GR Corolla looks like a hopped up chick car. I'm trying to figure out which one the Ford F-150 owners will laugh at more.

As an f150 owner, we laugh at the WRX. The new GRC we like a good amount.

[FaastLegacy]

Originally Posted by SubaDuba420

Hey, look man, just cause it don't monsoon where you live.....

This is News and Rumors, bro. We only race during cat 5 hurricanes and blizzards.

[ProZach626]

Originally Posted by carsebuco

You could have just said that. The moment you let a wife beater's opinion of your car bother you, it's the moment you've lost.

OK, I was using that as a reference, but you took it literally. Cool. It was representative of an average American, but I guess anyone who drives a truck beats their wife.

How about wondering how many people in your subdivision will laugh more? My guess is they're both about even.

Do I personally care about what other people think? Sure. To a reasonable extent. As a 37 year old family man, I do. That doesn't mean I care 'enough' to discourage me from driving my wingless STI. Friends and co-workers still crack jokes, but F them. But, anyone who says they truly don't care about what other people think in some aspect of their lives is kidding their selves. Everyone is either consciously, or deeply subconsciously desirable of giving some kind of impression of who they are relevant to their norms, and has a desire to be accepted to a certain extent.

I'm certainly not showing up to a business meeting, or at the courthouse with something that either looks like a modified chick's car, or with a wing a teenager bolted on. I don't like to feel like a kid. Even if I DID like the looks of the GR, I'd still think twice about how I would feel driving in a funeral procession with one. Or, dropping it off at the front with a valet during a nice event. Regardless, I don't like the way it looks. No matter how fast it is, I still want to be able to enjoy looking at it.

[Straight6]

Imagine being a grown ass adult and caring about what other people drive or better yet laughing at someone because of what they drive .

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by ProZach626

OK, I was using that as a reference, but you took it literally. Cool. It was representative of an average American, but I guess anyone who drives a truck beats their wife.

How about wondering how many people in your subdivision will laugh more? My guess is they're both about even.

Do I personally care about what other people think? Sure. To a reasonable extent. As a 37 year old family man, I do. That doesn't mean I care 'enough' to discourage me from driving my wingless STI. Friends and co-workers still crack jokes, but F them. But, anyone who says they truly don't care about what other people think in some aspect of their lives is kidding their selves. Everyone is either consciously, or deeply subconsciously desirable of giving some kind of impression of who they are relevant to their norms, and has a desire to be accepted to a certain extent.

I'm certainly not showing up to a business meeting, or at the courthouse with something that either looks like a modified chick's car, or with a wing a teenager bolted on. I don't like to feel like a kid. Even if I DID like the looks of the GR, I'd still think twice about how I would feel driving in a funeral procession with one. Or, dropping it off at the front with a valet during a nice event. Regardless, I don't like the way it looks. No matter how fast it is, I still want to be able to enjoy looking at it.

I'm 38 and have had this exact same internal conflict, funeral procession, etc. I don't mind if people make fun of the WRX because that means they aren't real car people. Anyone who is into cars respects the WRX. ...I'll add another joykill; when I would see other WRXs driving around, but the kid behind the wheel was definitely not someone who I would want to be associated.

I liked my 2018 STI, but if I got another one () I would get the low profile wing for the long term. The wing was cool at the time, and I think it looks better with it, but at this stage of life, I'd go slightly less flash (but still red!)

If you won't mind an automatic (I miss manual everyday) check out the Giulia. It is the grown-up WRX (low volume, 2.0T, AWD, handles way better).

[Pre]

Originally Posted by SubaDuba420

Hey, look man, just cause it don't monsoon where you live.....

His is some derp for you bud. Malaysian Rally Driver. Wet mountain road. FWD would be left for dead.

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