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Old 12-07-2022, 11:41 PM   #1401
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I don't principle my life around some car dude culture. family and friends get top billing as far as the principles go. so there's no justification of going against any principles, it's an explanation of reality. I'm going to go for the best price I can get, even if that makes it harder for a 'fellow enthusiast'.
Cool, you are more important than everyone else then. Car dude culture?
You pulled that from an orifice. Your decisions impact other people whether you like it or not. You either care or you donít. I care, you donít. No big deal.

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car buying is a business and financial decision, plane and simple, there's no other moral code that comes into that for me.

if anything you're the one who's coming up with some bro code for cars to justify not paying ADM even when (depending on the circumstances) it can demonstrably save a person money.
Nope, youíre just practicing shoot the messenger. Other people like Fred have said the exact same thing, patience. You have none. Youíve justified x, y, and z to yourself concerning a brand new to market vehicle that 6 months ago you were telling us youíd just stroll in this very month, December 2022, and test drive one, and buy like it was 2018. You arenít telling me anything. You got the FOMO going hard and instead of patience you are choosing to say these things. Oh the rates, oh Iím going to miss out on x, y, and z. Sorry not buying it. This is a feature that hasnít even begun. Your stroll into the dealer 12/2022, test drive, and buy, and now this, sorry dude canít take you seriously. Best of luck to you though. Pretty much done reading your posts at this point.
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Old 12-08-2022, 12:12 AM   #1402
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Holy hell people, this thread and others keep going full derp. Let me state this and let's move on.

Some people are absolutely willing to pay ADM for a vehicle they really want. That's fine, it's their money, their decision, their life.

Some people are absolutely unwilling to pay ADM. That's fine, it's their money, their decision their life. Reason for not paying ADM doesn't need justification or long winded diatribe as to why.

Some people are willing to pay ADM on certain occasions. Again, their money, their decision, their life.

Lastly, shut the **** up with political drivel and tying it to ADM.


LETS MOVE ON
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Old 12-08-2022, 12:12 AM   #1403
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Holy hell people, this thread and others keep going full derp. Let me state this and letís move on.

Some people are absolutely willing to pay ADM for a vehicle they really want. Thatís fine, itís their money, their decision, their life.

Some people are absolutely unwilling to pay ADM. Thatís fine, itís their money, their decision their life. Reason for not paying ADM doesnít need justification or long winded diatribe as to why.

Some people are willing to pay ADM on certain occasions. Again, their money, their decision, their life.

Lastly, shut the **** up with political drivel and tying it to ADM.


LETS MOVE ON
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Old 12-08-2022, 04:11 AM   #1404
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Not itís not. Iíve been through this before. It may be a big thing to you, it isnít to me. Nothing worth tripping over yourself and lighting bennies on fire for, thatís for sure.
You do realize you're not the only person on this planet, right?
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Old 12-08-2022, 03:56 PM   #1405
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You do realize you're not the only person on this planet, right?
Youíve got to be kidding me with this. What part of ADM affects everyone do you not understand? How is this about me? Because you are out of the country and when you move back you HAVE to buy a limited edition performance variant?
What a joke man. Itís got nothing to do with me personally. Itís got everything to do with the community, enthusiasts, buyers, economics, etc, etc.

Go forth and pay ADM. Your money. The bs justification some try to pass off is straight up
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Old 12-09-2022, 10:06 AM   #1406
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anyway, still no allocations in Texas.
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Old 12-10-2022, 01:29 PM   #1407
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You do realize you're not the only person on this planet, right?
If you've not realized by now that the world revolves around Pre, you've not been reading his posts.
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Old 12-12-2022, 02:04 PM   #1408
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Old 12-12-2022, 04:53 PM   #1409
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Power to weight to size

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Old 12-12-2022, 11:39 PM   #1410
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If you've not realized by now that the world revolves around Pre, you've not been reading his posts.
Stop.
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Old 12-12-2022, 11:45 PM   #1411
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looks like Colorado got 1 allocation, man these things are going to be hard to get
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Old 12-13-2022, 12:34 PM   #1412
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looks like Colorado got 1 allocation, man these things are going to be hard to get
They'll probably start off with 1 a state. I'd check in with Nevada, they usually get the "Odd" hard to get Mustangs and randoms like new Lotus's. See if the Toyota (im guessing Vegas), has one on order.

Parts are about to be months on months out lol

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Old 12-13-2022, 02:14 PM   #1413
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https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/

First Direct comparison I've seen between the GR and CTR.

Cliff Notes - GR Corolla great, CTR better
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Old 12-13-2022, 07:21 PM   #1414
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First Direct comparison I've seen between the GR and CTR.

Cliff Notes - GR Corolla great, CTR better
Matt Farah just said the opposite. I guess everyone can share cupcakes.
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Old 12-13-2022, 08:45 PM   #1415
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GRC great, CTR bigger.
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Old 12-14-2022, 11:58 AM   #1416
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First Direct comparison I've seen between the GR and CTR.

Cliff Notes - GR Corolla great, CTR better
Oh nice. I'll take the CTR. It is a lot more practical, has a lot nicer interior and offers better performance so I am not surprised it won the comparison. The issue is finding one without the crazy mark ups, but same goes for the GR.
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Old 12-14-2022, 12:05 PM   #1417
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How is it more practical and better performance?

And there's no way I am spending 45k (yea ok msrp) on that GRC interior.
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Old 12-14-2022, 01:35 PM   #1418
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How is it more practical and better performance?

And there's no way I am spending 45k (yea ok msrp) on that GRC interior.
Yeah, performance-wise I'm not on board with the CTR at all. It will likely turn faster laps on a track and probably all of the inputs are sharper - steering, brakes, shifter of course. But I find its pogo stick behavior totally disgusting. It's like 100% of the time you see it when pushed. I noticed it in the first onboard videos Honda teased, every ride-along, every track drive. boing boing boing. You don't even need to be near the limit for it to start jumping around so you'll even get to go for a ride with just spirited driving.

Practicality absolutely the CTR has a bigger hatch area. You wouldn't guess it looking at the two but it's a no comparison there. Interior is subjective but for me, oof, CTR is a whole level above GRC. Oh well, GRC is still nice.

ADM is and will be for the foreseeable future a much bigger problem with the CTR and is what ultimately DQ'd it for me once the MSRP was announced. Yes ADM is everywhere with the GRC but it seems there are way fewer takers for the insane $20k+ markups compared to CTR. (I think part of that is the Honda is more special, other part of it is the CTR fanboys are more special too.) MSRP Toyota dealers are still a thing, not exactly rare. I was unable to find a single Honda dealer who even pretended MSRP could be a thing, several of which were historically MSRP-only dealers.
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simply put, it is more practical because the interior is bigger, and the cargo volume is more.

better performance around a track is probably true as well.
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personally, if I am given the choice between a CTR, GRC or a Golf R, I'm going with the Golf R, but the GRC is next on the list. FWD doesn't interest me in the slightest.
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We get so focused on track times as a metric that journalist, except for a few, focus just on overall fun factor.


My opinion:

Ctr: probably best lap performer with 1st or 2nd on interior quality
GRC: Probably the most overall enjoyable and fun car that you just want to toss around
Golf R: probably a happy balance of comfort, fun, decent track day, higher quality interior and features

I'm at the point in life where if I want a car that I can track, I'm simply buying a $10-$15k already built Miata. Cheap, fun, etc and keep my weekend / fun car for those twisty mountain roads.
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We get so focused on track times as a metric that journalist, except for a few, focus just on overall fun factor.


My opinion:

Ctr: probably best lap performer with 1st or 2nd on interior quality
GRC: Probably the most overall enjoyable and fun car that you just want to toss around
Golf R: probably a happy balance of comfort, fun, decent track day, higher quality interior and features

Iím at the point in life where if I want a car that I can track, Iím simply buying a $10-$15k already built Miata. Cheap, fun, etc and keep my weekend / fun car for those twisty mountain roads.
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Old 12-14-2022, 01:51 PM   #1423
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Easily half of our year in the Pacific Northwest is spent driving on wet roads and AWD is just so good. Being able to get traction off the line on a cold and wet road is fantastic. During the summer when we haven't seen rain in months I do start to stray towards thinking about dry performance and track days. But then fall hits and I just can't see a daily driver being as fun for me without AWD.
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Nah, FWD is good enough.
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Oh nice. I'll take the CTR. It is a lot more practical, has a lot nicer interior and offers better performance so I am not surprised it won the comparison. The issue is finding one without the crazy mark ups, but same goes for the GR.
you should take the WRX. Its a much better car than both.



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