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Old 10-19-2020, 02:46 PM   #2751
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in a car, or on a motorcycle?

when I'm on my motorcycle I'm spending most of my time at stoplights looking behind me. if I'll be sandwiched between two cars, I can ditch and run. if I'm number one at the light, I can turn in a tight enough radius to hopefully get out of the way without pulling into the intersection fully. that's how I always plan to react, anyway.

in my car, what am I supposed to do if I see someone coming? pull into cross traffic, run into the car in front of me? option 1 puts me at fault for a collision and probably has someone hitting the side of my vehicle, maybe even the door closest to me. I'd rather have the guarantee of a car hitting me squarely in the back, than maybe have a car hit the side. option 2 is just silly.

my only plan in my car if I see someone coming up too fast to stop is to lean my head on the headrest so I minimize head trauma and take my hands off my steering wheel and put them in my lap so hopefully I don't end up with broken hands. it didn't work out well for Dr. Strange.

and I don't need a completely clear rear window to see someone coming in too hot.
Why bring up a motorcycle? The discussion is on rear wipers on sedans. Seems a bit OT. Not every road and every situation ever is going to preclude the possibility of you pulling forward enough to avoid a collision or to the side enough. No idea why you refuse to admit there's situations a rear wiper is useful? You don't like them so we all shouldn't?
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Why bring up a motorcycle? The discussion is on rear wipers on sedans. Seems a bit OT. Not every road and every situation ever is going to preclude the possibility of you pulling forward enough to avoid a collision or to the side enough. No idea why you refuse to admit there's situations a rear wiper is useful? You don't like them so we all shouldn't?
so nothing about this then? guess you agree with me then.

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in my car, what am I supposed to do if I see someone coming? pull into cross traffic, run into the car in front of me? option 1 puts me at fault for a collision and probably has someone hitting the side of my vehicle, maybe even the door closest to me. I'd rather have the guarantee of a car hitting me squarely in the back, than maybe have a car hit the side. option 2 is just silly.

my only plan in my car if I see someone coming up too fast to stop is to lean my head on the headrest so I minimize head trauma and take my hands off my steering wheel and put them in my lap so hopefully I don't end up with broken hands. it didn't work out well for Dr. Strange.

and I don't need a completely clear rear window to see someone coming in too hot.
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Old 10-19-2020, 03:28 PM   #2753
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Look at that JDM rear wiper y0. SO dope. It has that iconic rear wiper rumble because it's offset and provides loads of downforce too. <heart subaru>
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Old 10-19-2020, 04:05 PM   #2754
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mad tyte yo!

on a serious note, the trunk opening looks like it's going to be kinda hard to access the actual trunk. using it to fit more than a few grocery bag sized items is going to be tough.

gotta wonder when they see the reality that a liftback (see Audi A5 sportback as reference) is the best option to access things in the trunk, even if it adds a bit of weight to the top of the vehicle, it still allows for an overall more aero package.
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Old 10-19-2020, 04:39 PM   #2755
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Ya its looking less like a camry to me now the more I look at those rear quarter bulges, those are pretty agressive, and now I actually think they took cues from American pony cars for that characteristic! The STI version should be even more aggressive, so it will probably be a great looking STI.

The no sound on purpose in the Video is interesting?!! Hmmmm could it be there is a rumble???? Or the whine of electric add on motors?????

The EV market is going parabolic right now.....NIO, Tesla Etc etc...and " motorcylces" too with the upcomming electric REVOLT coming to North America and Africa...will be big.

Lets hope they give that new STI all the beans!!! 400++ horsepower please.
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!!!!! y0!
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Old 10-19-2020, 04:56 PM   #2757
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Doesn't the FA WRX (world-wide) and non-USDM EJ STI have equal length headers...so, no matter what there wouldn't be a rumble?
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Old 10-19-2020, 05:13 PM   #2758
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Nope, only the STI has ever had the iconic boxer rumble. So the next one will too.
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Old 10-19-2020, 05:43 PM   #2759
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Nope, only the STI has ever had the iconic boxer rumble. So the next one will too.
False. The next sti is going to be all electric and have 10000hp. Derphawk said so.
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so nothing about this then? guess you agree with me then.
Nothing I wrote in any way indicated agreement with you.

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No idea why you refuse to admit there's situations a rear wiper is useful? You don't like them so we all shouldn't?
So nothing about this then? Guess you agree with me.
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I remember arguments surrounding the 2010 Legacy not getting fold away mirrors for cost reasons. "I never fold my mirrors" was a big one.
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I remember arguments surrounding the 2010 Legacy not getting fold away mirrors for cost reasons. "I never fold my mirrors" was a big one.
How many cars are sold with folding mirrors in the US? How many sedans with rear wipers?

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excellent point.
Another bad analogy. Subaru sells the exact same car with and without that wing. The winged version far outsells the version without.
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Old 10-19-2020, 06:49 PM   #2764
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WRX STI Limited
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So the majority of STI's sold are fitted with a large wing because the small lip spoiler is an option on the more expensive Limited trim. Just like Americans don't buy wagons, they don't opt for the not on the lot to opt lip spoiler package. Can't sell what ain't there pal.
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Old 10-19-2020, 06:54 PM   #2765
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I've always assumed there's a law in Japan (and possibly other countries) that require it.



backup camera, and when you are driving away from a light, do you need to see what is behind you?

you'd hate driving a panel van



when I lived in crazy cold land, I had a brush, I'd start the car, grab the brush thingy, then wipe snow off the entire car while the engine warmed up.

end of the day, I can't think of a single example of a sedan sold in the USA with a rear wiper, it's kind of silly to pine over it, if it's a big enough deal do what everyone else that wants one does, if you have to, overnight the parts from Japan. then decimate all at race war.

back when I had my wagon (and cared more about silly things like this), the roof rack delete parts were in the Subaru system and I was able to order them from the dealer, which was cool. I had to spend a lot of money to get the version 7 sti wheels though. wish I had kept those, they would look good on the BRZ.
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in a car, or on a motorcycle?

when I'm on my motorcycle I'm spending most of my time at stoplights looking behind me. if I'll be sandwiched between two cars, I can ditch and run. if I'm number one at the light, I can turn in a tight enough radius to hopefully get out of the way without pulling into the intersection fully. that's how I always plan to react, anyway.

in my car, what am I supposed to do if I see someone coming? pull into cross traffic, run into the car in front of me? option 1 puts me at fault for a collision and probably has someone hitting the side of my vehicle, maybe even the door closest to me. I'd rather have the guarantee of a car hitting me squarely in the back, than maybe have a car hit the side. option 2 is just silly.

my only plan in my car if I see someone coming up too fast to stop is to lean my head on the headrest so I minimize head trauma and take my hands off my steering wheel and put them in my lap so hopefully I don't end up with broken hands. it didn't work out well for Dr. Strange.

and I don't need a completely clear rear window to see someone coming in too hot.



I drive a 26 ton Pierce. Mirror position sucks and I would love a rear window. Back up camera can help, but, is too distorted in moving traffic(and not what it's intended for obviously). My Legacy rear window was like a frosted window for most of my drives. Being able to see out the rear window makes things more safe. Required? No; but, the more visibility, the better.


As for the potential rear collision, I have pulled away and avoided being hit after clearly seeing the vehicle bearing down on me. Would I have been able to make the same determination with a blob to see in the mirror? Probably not. I did happen to have awareness of no other cars to worry about in cross traffic though.


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I remember arguments surrounding the 2010 Legacy not getting fold away mirrors for cost reasons. "I never fold my mirrors" was a big one.

I dislike having to roll down the window to fix the mirror after going through the car wash.
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How many cars are sold with folding mirrors in the US? How many sedans with rear wipers?



Another bad analogy. Subaru sells the exact same car with and without that wing. The winged version far outsells the version without.
Good point....the STI wingless option must be way way less ordered than the standard factory installed wing.

Good post
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I drive a 26 ton Pierce. Mirror position sucks and I would love a rear window. Back up camera can help, but, is too distorted in moving traffic(and not what it's intended for obviously). My Legacy rear window was like a frosted window for most of my drives. Being able to see out the rear window makes things more safe. Required? No; but, the more visibility, the better.


As for the potential rear collision, I have pulled away and avoided being hit after clearly seeing the vehicle bearing down on me. Would I have been able to make the same determination with a blob to see in the mirror? Probably not. I did happen to have awareness of no other cars to worry about in cross traffic though.





I dislike having to roll down the window to fix the mirror after going through the car wash.
Absolute mad lad! Here I thought the only options were get rear ended or charge full speed into traffic.
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I drive a 26 ton Pierce. Mirror position sucks and I would love a rear window. Back up camera can help, but, is too distorted in moving traffic(and not what it's intended for obviously). My Legacy rear window was like a frosted window for most of my drives. Being able to see out the rear window makes things more safe. Required? No; but, the more visibility, the better.


As for the potential rear collision, I have pulled away and avoided being hit after clearly seeing the vehicle bearing down on me. Would I have been able to make the same determination with a blob to see in the mirror? Probably not. I did happen to have awareness of no other cars to worry about in cross traffic though.





I dislike having to roll down the window to fix the mirror after going through the car wash.
It could break off instead!
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It could break off instead!



Didn't mean to sound like I was defending the 2010s; but, however, never had one break off going through the wash. I would be on the side of the folding ones though.
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Don't care either way. The rear wiper comment was lost on NASIOC. Nobody with a sense of humor here.

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So the majority of STI's sold are fitted with a large wing because the small lip spoiler is an option on the more expensive Limited trim. Just like Americans don't buy wagons, they don't opt for the not on the lot to opt lip spoiler package. Can't sell what ain't there pal.
Not what I was referencing. STI Limited with a wing outsells STI limited without a wing. Always has since the lip on an STI became an option. And Americans still don't buy wagons without a lift and cladding.
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Not what I was referencing. STI Limited with a wing outsells STI limited without a wing. Always has since the lip on an STI became an option. And Americans still don't buy wagons without a lift and cladding.
Oh, so you're saying Subaru is unique and can offer unique options on their sedans no other manus would touch?
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Fender flares and hips and vents and...coulda been a WRX hatch. No rear wiper.
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Don't care either way. The rear wiper comment was lost on NASIOC. Nobody with a sense of humor here.
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Nothing I wrote in any way indicated agreement with you.



So nothing about this then? Guess you agree with me.
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Why bring up a motorcycle? The discussion is on rear wipers on sedans. Seems a bit OT. Not every road and every situation ever is going to preclude the possibility of you pulling forward enough to avoid a collision or to the side enough. No idea why you refuse to admit there's situations a rear wiper is useful? You don't like them so we all shouldn't?
I have fully acknowledged there are uses for rear wipers. on wagons, on hatchbacks, on minivans. anything with the rear window that is more vertical and doesn't allow for a laminar flow of air across the window. in this situation they can help wipe the mist that gets pushed onto the window when caught in the negative pressure area behind the vehicle be cleared off so you can use the rearview mirror to see behind you.

and you shouldn't assume what I like, or don't like, I never said I don't like them. they offer so little benefit on a sedan that the cost (both in weight, and money) to include them seems pretty trivial. I do wish companies that add them in one market for whatever regulation they are adhering to would make them an option in markets like ours, because then it isn't mad tyte JDM y0! any longer and we aren't having this asinine discussion regarding a piece of kit that is fairly useless on a sedan.

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Absolute mad lad! Here I thought the only options were get rear ended or charge full speed into traffic.
and if I lived in a rural area, I'd probably have the same comment. in Houston, if I am at a stop light 99 times out of 100 there are cars crossing the intersection at the cross street. half of the time, there's 3-4 vehicles sitting at the stop light in front of me. this is how it is in the 4th largest city in the USA. lots of cars, lots of traffic. no options but to brace for impact in the situation you presented.

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