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Old 10-20-2020, 11:19 AM   #2776
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I think a rear window wiper touched someone in the naughty place a long time ago. There's way too much acrimony to be healthy.
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Old 10-20-2020, 11:47 AM   #2777
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So... Subaru Technica International posted on their FB with "expected" "rumor" saying that STI 2022 will have FA2.4DIT with 400HP / 50KG torque
Weird that even official spreads out "rumor"
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Old 10-20-2020, 12:04 PM   #2778
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Looks to be about 3” longer than the current 2020 STi, which will make it 6” shorter than the 2020 Legacy
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Old 10-20-2020, 12:04 PM   #2779
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So... Subaru Technica International posted on their FB with "expected" "rumor" saying that STI 2022 will have FA2.4DIT with 400HP / 50KG torque
Weird that even official spreads out "rumor"
50 kg torque? Do you mean 150 kg?

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Old 10-20-2020, 01:35 PM   #2780
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I looked it up. 50 kg*m ~361 lb*ft


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Also I *highly* doubt this is an official page, considering most of the recent posts are rumor articles from bestcar.
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Old 10-20-2020, 01:41 PM   #2781
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I looked it up. 50 kg*m ~361 lb*ft



Also I *highly* doubt this is an official page, considering most of the recent posts are rumor articles from bestcar.

I did not know that was not "official" page of them.
Though price going up to 50K is bit rough, but I guess they would want us to pay that much for something "compete-able" to AMG 45 S
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Old 10-20-2020, 01:42 PM   #2782
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50 kg torque? Do you mean 150 kg?
50kgm is 360lb-ft so sounds right.

If you start with the vanilla 6000rpm FA20DIT for rest of world that makes 300hp/300ftlb and scale it and induction/injection system up to 2.4L that's 360/360.

Make it rev to 7000 and prevent torque drop until 1500PRM later and it's in the 400hp ballpark.

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I did not know that was not "official" page of them.
Though price going up to 50K is bit rough, but I guess they would want us to pay that much for something "compete-able" to AMG 45 S
Few will pay that.
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Old 10-20-2020, 01:49 PM   #2783
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Few will pay that.


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Old 10-20-2020, 02:32 PM   #2784
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50kgm is 360lb-ft so sounds right.

If you start with the vanilla 6000rpm FA20DIT for rest of world that makes 300hp/300ftlb and scale it and induction/injection system up to 2.4L that's 360/360.

Make it rev to 7000 and prevent torque drop until 1500PRM later and it's in the 400hp ballpark.



Few will pay that.
1 kg = 2.205 Lbs, no?
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Old 10-20-2020, 03:31 PM   #2785
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I looked it up. 50 kg*m ~361 lb*ft


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Also I *highly* doubt this is an official page, considering most of the recent posts are rumor articles from bestcar.
the power figures may be correct, but the photos don't really match the spyshots
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Old 10-20-2020, 04:24 PM   #2786
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1 kg = 2.205 Lbs, no?
Don't forget your meter to foot conversion ;p
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Old 10-20-2020, 04:25 PM   #2787
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50kgm is 360lb-ft so sounds right.

If you start with the vanilla 6000rpm FA20DIT for rest of world that makes 300hp/300ftlb and scale it and induction/injection system up to 2.4L that's 360/360.

Make it rev to 7000 and prevent torque drop until 1500PRM later and it's in the 400hp ballpark.
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Rev'ing to 7K and beyond would be nice, but not necessary (and will result in piston speeds that are way too high anyway + too much stress on the rods as well).
If the engine can maintain 360 ft.lb to around 5.8K RPM, it's at 400 HP.
Let torque drop from 360 to 310 ft.lb between 5.8K and 6.8K and we're still at 400.
Fuel cut off at 6800 and call it good.
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Old 10-20-2020, 05:56 PM   #2788
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Rev'ing to 7K and beyond would be nice, but not necessary (and will result in piston speeds that are way too high anyway + too much stress on the rods as well).
If the engine can maintain 360 ft.lb to around 5.8K RPM, it's at 400 HP.
Let torque drop from 360 to 310 ft.lb between 5.8K and 6.8K and we're still at 400.
Fuel cut off at 6800 and call it good.
Staying away from this engine and call it good.
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Old 10-20-2020, 06:14 PM   #2789
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Don't forget your meter to foot conversion ;p
Ah. The meters wasn’t in the original post I responded to. But, I should have realized the metrics ***128522; being used.
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Old 10-20-2020, 07:02 PM   #2790
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the power figures may be correct, but the photos don't really match the spyshots
Yea that's all fan fiction, however plausible.

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Rev'ing to 7K and beyond would be nice, but not necessary (and will result in piston speeds that are way too high anyway + too much stress on the rods as well).
If the engine can maintain 360 ft.lb to around 5.8K RPM, it's at 400 HP.
Let torque drop from 360 to 310 ft.lb between 5.8K and 6.8K and we're still at 400.
Fuel cut off at 6800 and call it good.
6800, sure, either way getting to 166hp/liter will need some mechanical intervention from STI. That's what I was getting at with that theoretical vanilla FA24DIT hitting 360/360. Assuming STI still does actual stuff to engines, the 400hp target would definitely take effort but probably isn't as much of a reach as people assume.
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Old 10-20-2020, 07:12 PM   #2791
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https://www.facebook.com/sti.jp/

This the official STI Facebook page

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I looked it up. 50 kg*m ~361 lb*ft


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Also I *highly* doubt this is an official page, considering most of the recent posts are rumor articles from bestcar.
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Old 10-20-2020, 09:24 PM   #2792
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Staying away from this engine and call it good.
One can dream, right?

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Yea that's all fan fiction, however plausible.


6800, sure, either way getting to 166hp/liter will need some mechanical intervention from STI. That's what I was getting at with that theoretical vanilla FA24DIT hitting 360/360. Assuming STI still does actual stuff to engines, the 400hp target would definitely take effort but probably isn't as much of a reach as people assume.
Yeah, agreed 100%; 400-hp with a factory warranty from that FA24DIT is going to be VERY hard. Not sure Subaru or STI can pull it off.
I think 350-hp is more realistic. We'll see what we get.
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Old 10-21-2020, 09:36 AM   #2793
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Yeah, agreed 100%; 400-hp with a factory warranty from that FA24DIT is going to be VERY hard. Not sure Subaru or STI can pull it off.
I think 350-hp is more realistic. We'll see what we get.
I'm sure they can pull off the expected price of 4.5 to 5.5 yen part.

that translates to comfortably north of 40,000 to comfortably north of 50,000.

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Old 10-21-2020, 09:47 AM   #2794
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Oh, so you're saying Subaru is unique and can offer unique options on their sedans no other manus would touch?
Uhh... no. The wing has been on the sedan since long before an STI was even offered in the US. Subaru added a wing delete option when the sedan got a "Limited" version. People still opt for the limited with the wing. The STI sedan never had a rear wiper in the US. The absence of a rear wiper isn't making or breaking STI sales like absence of a rear wing would.
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Old 10-21-2020, 10:26 AM   #2795
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It's just one of those bean-counter things where Americans want a certain price point and have to give up certain features to get it. It happens all the time, much to my distaste. I obviously have no clue how manufacturing works because I can't reconcile how my 2017 Impreza Sport doesn't come with LED headlights, but the Canadian version does. I assumed both were made in America and on the same assembly line.

As posited before, I think MY2022 Impreza will comes standard with LED headlights because the halogens absolutely suck and bring down Subaru's overall perceived safety rating. The other vehicles in the lineup are getting LEDs already, so it's just a matter of time.

And maybe the base Impreza will get painted side mirror caps too.

Anyway, I find it amusing that people are arguing about rear window wipers. It's one of those features that isn't necessary, but it's nice to have. Living in Alaska with a BRZ, Impreza RS coupe, and STI and WRX sedans, I know I can just let the rear windshield warmer melt the ice and snow, but just wiping it all away for the clearest visibility is kinda nice.

I will admit that with my Forester, Crosstrek, and Impreza hatch, I never feel like I NEED to use the rear wiper. I just use them to be more aware of my surroundings. When I was 19 I got rear-ended by a drunk driver while I was stopped at a light at an intersection. It totally caught me by surprise. Nowadays I habitually check my rear view to ensure that the car behind me has enough room to either maneuver out of the way or won't munch me too badly if THEY happen to get hit hard. I've seen it happen to other cars, so I pull forward a bit if it seems like we're too tightly packed together.

One time while in my BRZ I was stopped at an intersection that ended a highway. I had gone around a van about a half mile prior and waited at the light. While stopped, I glanced up and saw that the REAR of the van I had passed moments before was now IN MY REAR VIEW MIRROR. I saw that they were slowly sliding towards me, so I just pulled forward a little bit. Once they stopped they turned their van around. It was wild to see out of nowhere.

Anyway, rear visibility is important and wipers assist with that. But I obviously don't care all that much because my windows have always been tinted at 5% in the rear.
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Old 10-21-2020, 11:46 AM   #2796
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It's just one of those bean-counter things where Americans want a certain price point and have to give up certain features to get it. It happens all the time, much to my distaste.
And our expected price point is low. We pay peanuts for cars here compared to rest of world. So you're right, serious fat trimmage ensues. It's why we get virtually no a la carte options for a given model aside from accessories. And it's why the unfortunate tastes of the many dictate the meager and unsatisfactory options for us enthusiast poors.

"So you cry about wanting a wagon, and we bring you one, and you don't buy it? wtf!"
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Old 10-21-2020, 12:54 PM   #2797
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I'm sure they can pull off the expected price of 4.5 to 5.5 yen part.

that translates to comfortably north of 40,000 to comfortably north of 50,000.

Direct currency conversions are almost never accurate in determining how much a car will cost in the U.S. Pricing is set differently for different markets for a variety of reasons.
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Old 10-21-2020, 01:20 PM   #2798
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50,000 for a 400+ horsepower STI, with all the stiffness and handeling and AWD capabilities and track performance improvements it will have over the current gen? Um ya, thats actually right in line with where it should be. Do some of you clowns actually think that subaru is going to bring an all new chassis, suspension setup , new body and interior new engine etc, and it should stil be $$35,000....BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!

All the standard specifications the next STI is going to have is going to be substantial. Dont forget they targeted the competition and want to have the highest horsepower output 4 cyl turbo on the market. A 420+ horsepoer at the crank FA 2.4 should be a relatively simple undertaking, given that the EJ can make that power at the crank easily and the FA has several engineering upgrades that will allow it to make power a lot more efficiently and easily over the current EJ257.

FWIW its going to be hard to get ANY STI's at cheap prices anymore once the new one comes out....its going to lift the values of all of them. You'll understand why better after it is released.
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Old 10-21-2020, 01:54 PM   #2799
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Goddamn you're an idiot.
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Old 10-21-2020, 02:50 PM   #2800
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50,000 for a 400+ horsepower STI, with all the stiffness and handeling and AWD capabilities and track performance improvements it will have over the current gen? Um ya, thats actually right in line with where it should be. Do some of you clowns actually think that subaru is going to bring an all new chassis, suspension setup , new body and interior new engine etc, and it should stil be $$35,000....BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!

All the standard specifications the next STI is going to have is going to be substantial. Dont forget they targeted the competition and want to have the highest horsepower output 4 cyl turbo on the market. A 420+ horsepoer at the crank FA 2.4 should be a relatively simple undertaking, given that the EJ can make that power at the crank easily and the FA has several engineering upgrades that will allow it to make power a lot more efficiently and easily over the current EJ257.

FWIW its going to be hard to get ANY STI's at cheap prices anymore once the new one comes out....its going to lift the values of all of them. You'll understand why better after it is released.
No rear wiper tho. That's not gonna cut it.
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